Fair point. At the very least returning to orbit after every activity is said to be gone so that's a step. Hopefully campaign is indeed seamless in that regard but with level requirements/suggestions maybe they still require player direction.
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Destiny 2 Reveal Info Summary Thread: Trailers, Videos, Details, Screens, More
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Fair point. At the very least returning to orbit after every activity is said to be gone so that's a step. Hopefully campaign is indeed seamless in that regard but with level requirements/suggestions maybe they still require player direction.
everyday math
Banned
I just don't see dps from hunters this time around. Golden looks so weak.
Twilight Gap
Member
Yea that's my main thing with the story. Made the whole thing feel too arcadey.
Well sure, those kindsof changes are what I'd expect from a sequel. Removing things wholesale is fine by me.
I'm talking about Gunslinger and Striker looking to play exactly the same as D1. I played a shit ton of Gunslinger and it's honestly perplexing to see it returning with the same passives n shit.
Twilight Gap
Member
Saying they play exactly the same is a bit disingenuous. First, a dodge for the Gunslinger is a big fucking deal, as it was the only class in Destiny 1 without any kind of defense mechanic. Like at all. That alone is going to change the playstyle for the class, and then you factor in the 3 additional shots and the passive that now reward precision gameplay. I think it'll be a far more rewarding and viable subclass than before, and that makes me excited as a diehard Gunslinger.
Strikers also see major changes with their super now being roaming. I have my concerns about the whole barrier thing, but that will also change the pace of combat for a Striker. Unfortunately skating seems to have been removed, so we could argue that they "dumbed it down" in favor of a passive mechanic. But at this point, we don't know how Bungie wanted the subclasses to play off of one another.
Sure the core of them aren't going to disappear, but why would anyone want it to? I'd be pissed if Gunslinger was something else entirely, and I don't see a reason for Bungie to throw out all of their previous subclasses for the sake of being new. It looks like they simply "unhid the fun" and made them more interesting.
People are also forgetting that this game will last at least 2 years. Not only have we not seen the other classes, but they'll probably add another subclass down the line. If it's simply a tweaked version of the ones they cut, that would be pretty stupid and I could understand uproar at that point.
everyday math
Banned
Gunslinger changes:
6 shot
Dodges
Explosive knife
Bombs for bullseye
Gunslinger trance
Line em up
I guess the grenades could've changed to something, but there's a lot of changes just here. And we don't have enough info on damage etc.
Twilight Gap
Member
Tripmine sticks again at least
everyday math
Banned
That too. Personally there's enough changes here for me. Hell for striker the super is way different then before. I haven't really looked at it's perks yet.
Twilight Gap
Member
They had me at McCree dodging.
everyday math
Banned
I'm excited for marksman dodge. Wayyyy to useful for pvp.
Twilight Gap
Member
IT'S HIGH NOON MOTHERFUCKERS
Most of them seem like same thing with a different name, or a slight variant. I really don't see the difference other than the dodge mechanic.
I guess after 3 years of Destiny 1 I'm not exactly hyped for another 3 years of Golden Guns and Titan Smashes. Just seems lazy.
I feel you, but this is kind of the price of doing business with sequels too -- there are things people really like that, if they go away, you're just going to have those groups saying it's a step back. Destiny 2 has to be an additive experience -- the only question is whether it added enough, which is a legitimate argument people can and are having.
Twilight Gap
Member
I don't know why anyone expected Bungie to throw out all of the previous subclasses or completely redesign them. The only game I know that used to completely redesign everything was Halo and look how that community turned out. Nobody knows what the fuck Halo is anymore.
Personally, I would have preferred they added a slight charge time to Golden Gun instead of 3 additional shots, but again, without seeing the interplay between the other classes, it's hard to say at this point whether it's another 3 years of the exact same thing or if things have been offset enough. Small changes on paper aren't always small changes in practice.
yeah I get that, I'm not one of those people though... I like big shake ups... I mean at some point you have to be willing to leave things behind regardless
oh well, i'll prob just... not play Gunslinger!
Don't think Hunters are DPS as such but it does seem like Bungie are doubling down on making the classes more distinct from one another.
Take the new globals; Titan's shield and the Warlock's Blessings/Weapons bubble will become absolute staples for all game types.
Hunter's will be off in the corner twirling around doing thier own thing.
I really like it.
Maybe it's just me but I'm looking forward to actually being able to use Striker in PVE for once. Plus now I can run out and smash more things
Having said that, Captain America subclass does look pretty cool.
I think it was a genius idea for Bungie to create these sub-class neutral Class Abilities that can be used with each class (at least I think that is confirmed?). Now, a Warlock doesn't NEED to be a specific sub-class for PvE because any one of them should be able to throw down a Healing or Empowering Rift. Any Titan subclass should be able to throw down a Rally Barricade for portable cover and instant reloads, or Towering Barricade to just filter or block pathways.
As a Striker, their Juggernaut Attunement looks like it'll be very fun in PvE if there are a lot of enemies. Being able to get health back on every melee kill (not just Storm Fist) plus run around like the Juggernaut smashing everything is going to be awesome.
I'm very excited to see the subclass perks of the Sentinel and Sunbreaker too. I'm hoping that the Sentinel excels at Defense, the Striker at Offense, and the Sunbreaker at Utility/Support somehow.
Twilight Gap
Member
Maybe not necessarily DPS but Saboteurs? They seem like they'd be up in the fight regardless.
Well for me it's like, I quit Destiny awhile back. Mostly because it just got old. So when I'm looking to jump back into the sequel and I see things like subclasses sticking around with a lot of the same mechanics; it deflates my hype. The degree to which things are being recycled is debatable but for me it's essentially content I'm not interested in.
What I want to see is an auto-loadout system for PvP and PvE, the game should automatically switch between your pre-determined loadouts based on the mode you're playing, I'd like to seamlessly switch between the two modes without having to switch weapons, armor, subclass,subclass skills...etc.
I'm personally hoping that the additional ability for all classes brings a bit of freshness to the experience. I think Titans are going to get *way* more mileage out of the deployable shield than many are thinking right now -- it's the only ability right now I can think of that not only has a chance of counter-playing supers, but also power ammo. A big plus in PvP especially.
The universal dodge for Hunters is interesting, but it's certainly more of a "hop" than the annoying dodge roll of shadestep; the side-effect of refilling ammo or melee energy is a nice addition, but you know, Titans seem to get their weapons reloaded too when dropping a shield, so that balances out the class choice. It will get a lot of usage in PvP, though.
Warlocks getting the big PvE buffs of the game sort of rubs me the wrong way, though. That is something I think should have stayed with the Defender class, a class I'm not super happy to see go the way of the dodo. In PvP this ability is also going to be *super* powerful, though Titans can counterplay it with a shield I guess, the ability to give your entire team a buff when team shots are looking more and more important feels like it's going to get *a Lot* of abuse.
I wish so much we had more details on the Arcstrider. Bladedancer was my favorite class for things like Blink and Skip grenades as well as the quickdraw perk, so I'm hoping those things make it back with a bit of a spin in the Arcstrider class. We'll see, I'm doubting it though; D2 seems to want to walk back on a lot of abiltiies that have to do with agility.
Nightstalker is one of the most useful subclasses in the entire game.
Not to downplay Defender but Nightstalker is a must in Raids.
Twilight Gap
Member
Shadestep is still in. Shadestep near enemies reloads melee and the sidestep reloads weapons.
It is confirmed that you can not. (edit: Read Matt's response below)
Also thanks for the info Twilight. Interesting how they chose that -- seeing as how shadestep is a far superior dodge, but recharging melee is probably less valuable in the moment (especially needing to be near an enemy), whereas killing a reload completely is a very powerful ability (whether you are near an enemy or not), but the hop is not nearly as useful a dodge.
Balanced well, I suppose, to make you really consider the options and scenarios.
MattGalvatron
Member
"Will there be any kind of, like, for people who are on console now but want to move to PC, is there any way they can move their characters over?
We've heard about that a lot. We definitely have gotten strong feedback that people are interested in that. At this time, we don't have anything to announce. We think it's super interesting, we totally get it, but we don't have anything really to say about that topic today.
But it's something on the table? Is it at least under discussion? Because it's the difference between ”we've heard about it and ruled it out" and ”we've heard about it and we're still thinking about it".
I mean, we're thinking about—this is a marathon, not a sprint, right? We've already got a pretty sizable history with Destiny and we expect a long one in the future, so I would say there are lots of things we would say, today, we're not doing, but that are on the table. This is something, certainly, I personally think about quite a lot.
I would love a persistent account. Because I don't want to leave all my other friends behind! But I want to play on PC.
I understand. I'm with you."
It's not confirmed not but so far everything points to sadly you cant.
ethomaz
Banned
PSN, Live and Battle.net are different accounts sorry.
I want Sonequa Martin or Angela Bassett as Ikora in the Destiny Movie.
Spauldingxx
Member
Was the Sprint cool down added late? I don't remember that in the original.
KZObsessed
Member
Can't get excited for this until I know how the loot system works. Havn't seen any engram drop in the gameplay footage yet...
Twilight Gap
Member
The cryptarch didn't make it out of the tower.
Thanks.
If i could change between ps4 and PC, i would buy both versions day 1.
I really liked the casual "feel" of playing destiny on PS4 to relax, but i just cant say no to playing this game on PC. The things i can do with a kbm is light years ahead of what i can with a controller
If i could change between ps4 and PC, i would buy both versions day 1.
I really liked the casual "feel" of playing destiny on PS4 to relax, but i just cant say no to playing this game on PC. The things i can do with a kbm is light years ahead of what i can with a controller
MrBenchmark
Member
Always there from day one until the best artifact ever! It's the only one I use.
My favorite thing to do as a Defender?
Step 1: Drop a bubble on a control point in Crucible.
Step 2: Dance.
Step 3: Punch people when they walk in, killing them.
Step 4: Repeat, as no one ever seems to learn you should never go into the other team's bubble, causing my super meter to recharge over and over.
Step 1: Drop a bubble on a control point in Crucible.
Step 2: Dance.
Step 3: Punch people when they walk in, killing them.
Step 4: Repeat, as no one ever seems to learn you should never go into the other team's bubble, causing my super meter to recharge over and over.
KZObsessed
Member
Good.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
There was a leak with all the correct reveal info In.
The heavy machine gun weapon class has gone now. I personally imagine this has been folded into the kinect category with some slower paced assault rifles and exotics like the primary chain gun exotic
Trials of osiris is now called Trials of the Nine
The special weapon slot includes, rocket launchers, swords, shotguns, snipers, fusion rifles and a "special new type" that's already been in a trailer.
The heavy machine gun weapon class has gone now. I personally imagine this has been folded into the kinect category with some slower paced assault rifles and exotics like the primary chain gun exotic
Trials of osiris is now called Trials of the Nine
The special weapon slot includes, rocket launchers, swords, shotguns, snipers, fusion rifles and a "special new type" that's already been in a trailer.
for destiny 1 players:
how important was the PS4 exclusive content? from what i've read xbox one players are still missing some exclusive content related to rise of iron?
i'm thinking of buying on PC, which is already delayed, so you know i'm willing to wait, but i don't like the idea of PS4 having content for a whole year before i'm allowed to play it just because I use a different platform
how important was the PS4 exclusive content? from what i've read xbox one players are still missing some exclusive content related to rise of iron?
i'm thinking of buying on PC, which is already delayed, so you know i'm willing to wait, but i don't like the idea of PS4 having content for a whole year before i'm allowed to play it just because I use a different platform
Orochinagis
Member
Game preordered
Guardians tripped him on the way out.
The exclusive content for the most part was really good for PS4 owners. Hawkmoon was one of the best weapons in the game and Exodus Blue was one of the best PVP maps in the game. Hawkmoon was nerfed when Xbox owners got it (lol).
Twilight Gap
Member
Was just mentioning this in Discord but it looks like the level design has improved, at least on Midtown. I haven't noticed any superfluous cover or sloppy geometry. Granted, Midtown is a safe ass 3 lane map, but if it's any indication of what is to come, I think this game will have a solid map pool.
Y1 Exclusive was three Exotic weapons, Hawkmoon and Monte Carlo, and Fourth Horseman. A PvP map, and a PvE Strike. Also some blue quality gear. No one cared about the blue gear and the map, Exodus Blue (this week's Trials map) wasn't well regarded back in Y1 to my recollection, it's not a bad map though. The Strike wasn't very fun in Y1, to me anyway. Only major thing players missed out on was the original Y1 Hawkmoon.
Y2 Exclusive was again, Exotic weapons, Zen Meteor and Jade Rabbit, a terrible PvP map (sector 618) and another strike (cant recall name, it's vex themed), as well as some Legendary quality gear sets (sublime engrams). Personally none of this content, aside from the Strike, really mattered much to myself. Zen Meteor is a meh sniper rifle and Jade Rabbit is a good scout rifle but doesn't really fit my playstyle.
In summary, none of the PS Exclusive content ever really mattered to myself aside from how good that Y1 Hawkmoon was. Everything else was pretty meh, but still, having the Y2 exclusives still be exclusive really blows.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Grenade launcher I'm assuming