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Destiny |OT28| Nolan Beyond
- Thread starter DrDrizzay101
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I'm not talking about behaving exclusively and I know it isn't a separate bubble as much as many who do set up camp here wish it were so. I understand all too well how intrinsically DestinyGAF and the Gaming forum at large are both just as much part of GAF the forum as the other, and this is my main, severe problem with the meme that "NeoGAF hates Destiny" because it evokes loud and even vitriolic reactions from many of its users when discussed if you pop open any given gaming side thread. NeoGAF loves Destiny, to the tune of the game taking the position of its #1 most active and largest community with a bullet. There are those, many of them, that dislike, dismiss or vehemently oppose the game within the same forum, and those individuals are not likely to participate in (or at least frequent for long) the community OTs associated with the game. Both regardless of and because of this factor, I disagree with your implication that any form of forced merging between this thread and gaming side would result in any sort of net positive for the community, and it's especially newcomers with many questions that I bear in mind.
I didn't say that.
And in fact I've never adhered to such a policy at any point during my time with this game. I've sent somewhere on the order of 50+ private messages to individuals asking factual questions in Destiny threads on gaming side amid a deluge of negativity and unlikely to receive an answer within the thread directly. In such messages I will always, of course, additionally direct those individuals to these community threads where assistance and constructive discussion is altogether more likely.
I've never had any qualms about this approach, and rather than embroil myself with largely circular arguments in the threads themselves I opt not to participate- not to belabor the point, but again, in the threads themselves. That you interpret this as something to do with my inclination to help players of this game is a simple mistake.
I do value my personal time highly. I have devoted an enormous portion of it to this community and I think the facts would bear me out on this claim.
It is not for any reason of personal time management or a desire not to be bothered with extra effort that I would not participate in a large, official gaming side thread created for the Taken King. It's because I imagine any such thread to be nonconstructive, filled with noise and difficult to use either as a source of information or a collaborative tool for assisting new players.
I do not support any thread split.
I thought I made it clear within that post that my favored position is to create no specific official thread on gaming side at all. My reasoning behind this cites the overwhelming awareness of TTK (and Destiny in general) that already exists among forumgoers, and the large and active community thread catering to all discussion, question-and-answer, grouping, news, and so on and so forth of the game in question.
These threads, by and large, have become pretty damn solid for a while now. They are welcoming and generally positive and constructive despite the enormous size of the community. I don't see any downside to directing newcomers here as frequently and confidently as possible.
It's troubling that your takeaway from this is that I'm somehow against the idea of accommodating new or returning players... that sort of thing is precisely how I spend a lot of my actual gaming time in Destiny.
In addition to the aforementioned practice of PMing members when I notice a question asked and unanswered, as well as advocating for the practice of
In that event, we would indeed have a problem.
Don't have any idea about this, but I assume it can be done from a technical perspective.
This point, for this particular expansion, I would argue is in fact the case. I'd be very surprised if TTK is in need of an "awareness blitz" the way that lower profile games often do.
In fact, frankly if I were not a fan of the game but was a frequenter of the gaming side front page, I'd probably be a little sick of hearing about Destiny by this point. There have been new threads for minutiae that wouldn't register a radar blip in the online life of other titles.
[quote[It ultimately comes down to the awareness on the site and how we go about conveying the new information to players.[/quote]
And my position is simply that new players will be best served by coming here. I honestly .do my absolute best on a personal level, as often as I can, to ensure that this is the case. Whether it's reassuring players that a change will not be as disastrous or encompassing as it's made out to be, focusing on lower-level/less-optimized content that would not appeal to hardcore or regular players, or creating a progression or mode guide for basic foundational knowledge, I keep this kind of player in mind constantly.
I focus primarily in Destiny on things that hardcore players will likely never need explained or even give a second thought.
Don't understand what if any problem with this you're raising or why it hasn't been/can't be done.
There's nothing wrong with this argument so much as it's about the degree to which something which absolutely will happen will happen. Make no mistake, brand new players and longtime absent returning players will be here, in these threads, as the next few months progress, whether an OT appears on gaming side or not. If the majority of the community believes that it would be better to accelerate/amplify this effect by making this thread more visible, then that's what we should do regardless of how I feel about it.
rasengan1337
Member
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
That's a good suggestion. DGAF shouldn't be an advertisement board for your clique. If you post it here, it's open to anyone.
When I make those posts I always play with the first people to respond to my post.
Robdraggoo
Member
to be fair about the cliqueyness. we were treated like leppers on Neogaf for a good while.
Remember the post in Todds gaming side thread about HoPF. something along the lines of
"didn't we exile these guys to community so shit like this wouldn't happen"
just had each other for a long time. I welcome all our newcomers. buts it been a pretty tight nit family for a while. so forgive us for that, well try and do better
Remember the post in Todds gaming side thread about HoPF. something along the lines of
"didn't we exile these guys to community so shit like this wouldn't happen"
just had each other for a long time. I welcome all our newcomers. buts it been a pretty tight nit family for a while. so forgive us for that, well try and do better
Hmm...I can't recall a specific scenario like that happening, but people do use this thread as their chat room for inside jokes and messaging.
For the most part, people posting in here looking to do activities are usually open to anyone who replies.
This.
Some people just run together - no big deal. Maybe, I'm just not sensitive to this stuff, but generally everyone can get a group together.
True; I shouldn't have been so absolute.
GalacticToast
Member
I feel like I've been around for DGAF since the real early days. I've been playing since the Alpha and I feel like I've played with most, if not all, the posters here at least once. However, if I ever need to run any sort of activity, I always end up going over to reddit to find peeps to play with. Everyone has their set groups that they want to run stuff with and everyone else just kind of works around that.
One of the best scenes I've ever watched. Perfectly orchestrated with the music and tension. Definitely top 10.
Well yeah I just posted about that as well. It kinda makes people feel left out.
im too sensitive for this shit
Yep.
irrotational
Member
I got video footage of what happened when Todd had us looking for the 6th chest. I think you know what the video is.
*backs quietly out of the thread*
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*falls down jumping puzzle*
xVaalbarAx
Member
Thats how I am, well I try to be most of the time. I usually look at the PSN before GAF.
GalacticToast
Member
Then those people that run together should PM each other if only specific people are only allowed to play with them. I'm obviously new to dgaf but I really like you all. If I see posters I like talking about starting a fire team but that shit is exclusive it makes me and others feel left out. At that point the community isn't open at all
It's not exclusive. If an opening comes up just ask to join. I think you're making a big deal out of nothing here.
Kalamari
Member
I think I still have some unascended and unleveled VoG gear to get that 29. I should be available after 12 noon pdt on Saturday if that day is the best time frame for this endeavor.
Also, I think GalacticToast and AQ (biggy) have the same avatar picture.
Teasing_Pink
Member
Horror arrived in the mail...a jury summons for 9/14. Been really hoping if I do get stuck, the trial doesn't ruin my TTK launch day.
Think "Earth needs me to stop Oryx" will be a valid postponement excuse? Stupid social and civil responsibilities. What has it ever gotten me, other than a reasonably stable and pleasant country to live in?
Think "Earth needs me to stop Oryx" will be a valid postponement excuse? Stupid social and civil responsibilities. What has it ever gotten me, other than a reasonably stable and pleasant country to live in?
I suppose. Just expressing an observation, though now I see ocean edited his post to include me and one other as an alt so now I feel like a dick.
Rollo Tomasi
Member
I think in all my time of decrypting I've only gotten God of War from Rahool. Arctic Proxy still eludes me as well.
GalacticToast
Member
We do. I was here first
(maybe)
I'm willing to fight for it.
Burning Shrine. Throwing knives only.
General_Frags
Member
HYYYYYYYYPE!
rasengan1337
Member
so as part of the DLC prep, i was planning on saving up the 100rep vanguard bounties, but, now that there's only legendary marks, doesn't that mean that 100rep crucible bounties will also yield me the same results?
I'm still looking for Arctic Proxy as well. No luck at all this past year.
The trick is to tell them you're prejudice against all races.
AmateurHour212
Member
Exhibit 1a of the cliquey nature of this thread.
Never got those two. I do have Substance though. I use it on my Hunter and actually like it. Maybe because I never see anyone use it so it kinda feels special ;p
I have a huge problem with this concept, and I wish you guys would be more specific. :-/
From my perspective in comparison to other communities I have been a part of (and this is a substantial list), this is rather seriously not a cliquey or exclusive community. People have certainly made friends and kept them here, which I don't yet see as a negative (though I could be missing something), but:
-It's too big to be cliquey in any meaningful, organized way. There are just too many damn people to be truly exclusionary. So I'm for the moment clinging to the hope that it just has to be happening on a small enough scale for me to be ignorant of it.
-We have numerous members who regularly go out of their way to assist others in various areas of the game, almost universally with the "first come first serve" approach... which is about as far away from a "clique" system as I can imagine.
-Seeing new players turned away from our community for not being "one of us" would be the worst and most important expression of this concept there could be. But I just... don't feel like I've ever seen this? On the contrary it seems like new players are near-universally welcomed and given pointers on advancement or offers of help.
So I'm not going to go so far as to deny it's a problem. It could be that I play with too broad a swath of the playerbase to notice underlying cliques that are causing problems for others. But I do need to know more about it and what I can do to help.
Could you be specific? It seems like it would benefit everyone. I guess at least PM a mod about what you mean if you won't post it?
Twilight Gap
Member
I appreciate the clarification. I misunderstood your perspective.
I'm just unsure of how to go about putting the relevant information out there without posting it a million times for everyone who asks. If it were me who was new to the game or returning after a break, I'd want a one-stop-shop for all my questions. Hopping into a community to ask would be intimidating to me - it's like asking a question in a classroom vs asking a question in a clubroom.
I suppose I'll give it a few days and see how much of a necessity there is to begin with.
I had started making it a point to play with people I didn't know and will probably continue to do so.
rasengan1337
Member
sorry. :/
Robdraggoo
Member
actually if you tell them that, they might think your crazy and let you out because if that. id say go for it.
and tell them your racist against the hive
This is the right approach. A Taken King OT (not numbered) should be in the Gaming side, for dedicated general discussion. That can exist concurrently with the Community threads. Just as there are new threads for new news, there's new threads for new content releases.
Eventually what will happen will be what always happens in these situations: discussion will die down in the Take King OT and discussion will reconsolidate here.
Double blind friend requests
We did Iron Wafer last night and while Nilla kinda did save me a spot, I did ask to be included and was online. Many of the other guys I hadn't run with before or often and we had fun. We won most of the time but did have a couple scrubby rounds.
I know the conversations can be clique-y but there is nothing clique-y about DJ or RAWR or mehrmantrout saying
COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT THE CHECKPOINT
which is open to all. Hawkian's noobie raids are open to all. "I'm at the boss if you need NF join on _____" are open to all. Posts by Koro, Ned, Doge (weeping) saying "Hey 1st timers with no Mercury visits post here" are open albeit console specific.
Sometimes people ask for clannies or such for specific trophies but I think that deserves a pass. While our conversation can be inside jokes sometimes or whatever else I think we're pretty dang open, but we can always do better.
Hi, I'm Glenn, I'm bad at PvP and I do moderate to decent imitations in party. I try not to be a boat anchor but unfortunately it seems to be my lot in life on occasion.
I know the conversations can be clique-y but there is nothing clique-y about DJ or RAWR or mehrmantrout saying
COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT THE CHECKPOINT
which is open to all. Hawkian's noobie raids are open to all. "I'm at the boss if you need NF join on _____" are open to all. Posts by Koro, Ned, Doge (weeping) saying "Hey 1st timers with no Mercury visits post here" are open albeit console specific.
Sometimes people ask for clannies or such for specific trophies but I think that deserves a pass. While our conversation can be inside jokes sometimes or whatever else I think we're pretty dang open, but we can always do better.
Hi, I'm Glenn, I'm bad at PvP and I do moderate to decent imitations in party. I try not to be a boat anchor but unfortunately it seems to be my lot in life on occasion.
Robdraggoo
Member
11 minutes, are we doing the chat again?
Yep
SkylineRKR
Member
Or get thrown in jail when the judge holds you in contempt of court!
lol. Destiny |OT29| Don't Clique Here, All Raid Spots Tooken
Teasing_Pink
Member
While I generally agree there are an awful lot of "lets group" posts that should probably just be PMs, this isn't one of them. Ocean originally put out an open call for anyone interested in his VoG raid. The post you quoted came a few pages after, and the people listed are the ones who replied to his open call for players and signed up.
Edit: This is Ocean's original post.