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Rob Fahey 14:06 30/06/2005

And Revolution is definitely set to be much cheaper than Xbox 360 and PS3

The secrecy-shrouded controller for the Nintendo Revolution console has been seen by a number of developers already, according to comments made byNintendo of America VP of sales and marketing Reggie Fils-Aime.

Speaking with US magazine EGM, the bombastic Fils-Aime revealed a little additional information about the console and its much talked about joypad - including the fact that just because "you and your fans haven't seen the controller doesn't mean that no one else has."

"The thing that I always find surprising, and certainly in the last year I've had wonderful opportunities to spend quality time with a number of our key third-party publishers, is when you sit down and share the innovation with them, just how excited they get," he said.

"I saw it firsthand with DS, we're seeing it now with Revolution," he continued.

Regarding the controller itself, Fils-Aime expanded on some of Nintendo president Satoru Iwata's hints about the design from his E3 presentation. "If you just think about it, we're going to have the ability through wireless internet to download all your great games from NES, SNES, N64," he said.

"Think about it - each of those controllers are different. How are you gonna play? That captured some of the imagination of what our controller needs to be able to do, and certainly as you get into the meat of that type of innovation with the developers, their eyes truly light up because they start to imagine what's possible with that kind of configuration, which is vastly different than a sheer horsepower kind of game."

Speaking more generally about the Revolution console, Fils-Aime also confirmed widespread speculation that the console will be launched at a significantly lower price point than its next-generation competitors, the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

"We have to assume that from a pricing standpoint, we will be substantially lower than the competition," he said, going on to say that this would be because the Revolution won't have "all of that added fluff that a gamer, frankly, doesn't [want] - it's not core to gaming."

Many commentators expect Nintendo to announce further details of the Revolution this August, a month when the company has traditionally made at least one major announcement over the last few years.

 

[SantaC]

yep though this is old

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3141656

 

[akascream]

If they've seen it, how come we haven't heard any leaks? Must not be very many developers, or maybe even first party.

 

[Ghost]

Hmm, must not have made it to any UK devs yet or we'd know all about it.

 

[SantaC]

If they've seen it, how come we haven't heard any leaks? Must not be very many developers, or maybe even first party.

leaks at nintendo? Comon they are the true ninjas of secrets

 

[jarrod]

If they've seen it, how come we haven't heard any leaks? Must not be very many developers, or maybe even first party.

SEGA and Capcom had DS kits in 2003, yet nobody saw DS until Nintendo was ready. Most likely it's just the large eastern and western publishers who are "in" on Revolution right now, making general leaks less likely.

 

[AssMan]

He's dropping a HUGE ass hint on what the controller will be like, and we still can't figure it out. :lol

 

[mrklaw]

If its a mini Z-board, I'm going to cry.

"We have to assume that from a pricing standpoint, we will be substantially lower than the competition," he said, going on to say that this would be because the Revolution won't have "all of that added fluff that a gamer, frankly, doesn't [want] - it's not core to gaming."

Well that saves me having my own opinion. Thanks Reggie.

 

[Zeo]

I still have a good feeling we'll be surprised by the power of the console. Obviously, I don't think it'll be as powerful as PS3, but well off enough where it won't really matter much and the innovation will make up for it.

 

[Zeo]

If its a mini Z-board, I'm going to cry.



Well that saves me having my own opinion. Thanks Reggie.

Yeah he definitely could have uh, worded that better. Heh. I think generally he has a point though. I don't see anyone complaining about Rev not having anything other than HD really.

 

[akascream]

He's dropping a HUGE ass hint on what the controller will be like, and we still can't figure it out. :lol

I think I got it:

Think about it - each of those controllers are different. How are you gonna play? That captured some of the imagination of what our controller needs to be able to do, and certainly as you get into the meat of that type of innovation with the developers, their eyes truly light up because they start to imagine what's possible with that kind of configuration, which is vastly different than a sheer horsepower kind of game.

YOU WILL EAT YOUR CONTROLLER?

 

[Salmon]

HEY!

 

[Vomiaouaf]

If you just think about it, we're going to have the ability through wireless internet to download all your great games from NES, SNES, N64. Think about it - each of those controllers are different. How are you gonna play?

If I think about it, I could play all of those games with a GC controller.

 

[Ponn]

If its a mini Z-board, I'm going to cry.



Well that saves me having my own opinion. Thanks Reggie.

Actually it's part of Nintendo's subliminal message campaign. First it was no HD in the Rev and "You will enjoy the games without HD, developers will love us, you will love us, we are open arms" Then all of a sudden you had nintendo fans on boards everywhere "Nintendo loves us, HD sucks, open arms!" Pretty soon you will be seeing posts "we don't really want all that fluff like in the other consoles, we are real gamers" I'm starting to think Reggie is a Jedi. *waves hand* "you will give me your name and let me kick your ass"

 

[Ruzbeh]

HEY!

AM SO EXCITED.

 

[Hyoushi]

YOU WILL EAT YOUR CONTROLLER?

Yes, but it's not a super fancy dinner, it's more of a thing you eat every day. Kojima told me so, it must be true.

EDIT: Wrong japanese person.

 

[sprsk]

the revolution controller is a fucking transformer.

 

[Ruzbeh]

Yes, but it's not a super fancy dinner, it's more of a thing you eat every day. Kutaragi told me so, it must be true.

Psst.. I think you mean Kojima. [/whisper]

 

[Speevy]

The Revolution is like a fine wine, drunk out of an ice cream cone.

 

[Ponn]

Yes, but it's not a super fancy dinner, it's more of a thing you eat every day. Kutaragi told me so, it must be true.

"You're turning violet, Violet!"

 

[Prine]

Pretty much confirms Rev will be less powerful than PS3 and X360.

 

[akascream]

Yes, but it's not a super fancy dinner, it's more of a thing you eat every day. Kutaragi told me so, it must be true.

So it will be more like lunch meat.

 

[Hyoushi]

Psst.. I think you mean Kojima. [/whisper]

I thank you. I shall correct my wrongdoings.

 

[Speevy]

Is there anything that prevents Sony/MS from copying this controller in some fashion? I mean, I doubt Nintendo is inventing a technology.

 

[samusx]

Zeo

I don't see anyone complaining about Rev not having anything other than HD really.

How does that make any sense? What do you mean people aren`t complaining about anything else about Rev? Nintendo has not given any info about Rev so how could people complain about what does not exhist yet?

BUT. . . other then the ability to go online for free and download games (for a fee?), everything other piece of info that Nintendo has revieled has pissed people off.

No, HD.
Sounds to be much weaker then the other systems.
Crappy 512MB flash memory.
Trade off of cool amazing graphical technology for some potential new gimick.
Not to count the endless stupid decisions that Nintendo makes on a daily basis.

And if you were being sarcastic and I missed it, sorry my bad.

Moral of the story, I am sick and tired and pissed about Nintendo TELLING us, the consumer, what we, LIKE, WANT AND SHOULD HAVE.

 

[Hyoushi]

Trade off of cool amazing graphical technology for some potential new gimick.

This seems familiar somehow. How did that turn out last time?

 

[Redbeard]

Reggie talks about a having a controller, Miyamoto says we've gone as far as we can go sitting in front of a monitor holding a controller...

???

And didn't someone from Nintendo say a while ago that they weren't going to be launching at a lower price point?

 

[Baron Aloha]

Pretty much confirms Rev will be less powerful than PS3 and X360.

It does???

*Looks at Gamecube*

It may very well be the least powerful console but you can't just jump to that conclusion just because it will be less expensive.

 

[SantaC]

HEY!

can't wait for rev!

 

[Shao]

Can't people just be glad that Nintendo is still around to change things around now and then? Not to mention bring us regular updates to the most beloved set of characters probably in the world. (Only Disney and Star Wars rivals it?)

If we were to design our perfect handheld, it wouldve been the PSP. Yet its Nintendo's DS which has produced the most appealing games so far and is the first time I have felt excited by a console since the SNES days.

 

[human5892]

And didn't someone from Nintendo say a while ago that they weren't going to be launching at a lower price point?

I can't remember for sure about the price, but I definitely remember an Iwata quote from a year or two back claiming that Revolution would have all the features that the competition had, or something to that effect.

I guess he was expecting Sony and Microsoft to decide that nobody likes HD, too.

 

[mj1108]

Pretty much confirms Rev will be less powerful than PS3 and X360.

Because the most powerful console always wins.[/sarcasm]

 

[=W=]

Nintendo has not given any info about Rev so how could people complain about what does not exhist yet?

Sounds to be much weaker then the other systems.
Trade off of cool amazing graphical technology for some potential new gimick.

:/

Not to count the endless stupid decisions that Nintendo makes on a daily basis.

And if you were being sarcastic and I missed it, sorry my bad.

Moral of the story, I am sick and tired and pissed about Nintendo TELLING us, the consumer, what we, LIKE, WANT AND SHOULD HAVE.

Boo hoo, Nintendo doesn't do what I want them to do, wah wah wah

Just buy a ps3 or x360 and shut up.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

It does???

*Looks at Gamecube*

It may very well be the least powerful console but you can't just jump to that conclusion just because it will be less expensive.

They didn't talk about the GC the way they did the Revolution. You guys need to fight over different issues, because they keep telling you on this one.

 

[Geek]

HOLY SHIT just found this at the Nintendo Europe site!!!

Nintendo Revolution will be SIMPLER AND DELICIOUS.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

:lol

 

[mj1108]

HOLY SHIT just found this at the Nintendo Europe site!!!

Nintendo Revolution will be SIMPLER AND DELICIOUS.

SOLD!

 

[6.8]

HOLY SHIT just found this at the Nintendo Europe site!!!

Nintendo Revolution will be SIMPLER AND DELICIOUS.

Can't wait to BBQ that mofo. It'll be juicier, and thus more delicious, and a bit more comfortable.

 

[akascream]

Can't wait to BBQ that mofo. It'll be juicier, and thus more delicious, and a bit more comfortable.

And that's what is really neat about our controller. Some developer might say, hey, I'm gonna barbeque that, and another might boil it and make a mean stew. Another might want to induce vomit via food poisoning. One meat experience is totally different than another, and as hardware manufacturers, that excites us!

 

[Prine]

It does???

*Looks at Gamecube*

It may very well be the least powerful console but you can't just jump to that conclusion just because it will be less expensive.

If you put everything together, Nintendo's direction with DS, their reluctance to acknowledge power as a means to move foward, the size of the console, their history of trying to profit off anything they release, Dyacks comments and the fact that thet are content with current level graphics i think all these factors strongly support that Rev will be the least powerful. Ofcourse its all speculation, its just what many people are thinking. Every piece of news that filters through about Rev, it become more and more obvious they dont feel Rev needs to be as powerful as its competition.

Because the most powerful console always wins.[/sarcasm]

Its the direction id like gaming to go down. More power = better gaming experience (for me)

 

[Zeo]

No, HD.

Again, I already said that. And even so, I don't think it's that big a deal, and won't be at all until later in the console's lifetimes. (But that's up to debate and no one knows what lack of HD might do. It could be smart for Nintendo, it could be stupid.)

Sounds to be much weaker then the other systems.

I don't think so. It'll definitely be weaker, but it most likely won't matter all that much. Again, the innovation will hopefully make up for it. But really, we don't know. It will probably hold it's own though.

Crappy 512MB flash memory.

I don't see that as being very crappy. Big memory cards work just fine seeing as most people (as in the general public, not us gamers who put emulators and stuff on Xbox's harddrive) barely used any of the Xbox's hard drive. Could it be bigger? Sure. But it really isn't that big of a deal. (Last I checked, by the way, PS3 doesn't have any flash memory and the HD might be sold separately. Of course correct me if I'm wrong.) Either way, 512 is fine for most people who will buy a console.

But don't misunderstand, I'd rather it have more, just for myself really. But as far as the random guy who goes out and buys a PS2, that's all the memory he'll need. For those of us that need more, we'll get a memory card. It's a nice trade off for a lower priced console, in my opinion.

Trade off of cool amazing graphical technology for some potential new gimick.

There's never been anything that said it won't have "cool amazing graphical technology".

But knowing that, it doesn't need PS3 graphics to be worthwhile. It will most likely hold its own. And potential new gimmick? Hm, let's look at the success of DS vs. PSP and the upcoming lineup of games on both.

You know, a while back, there were three systems. Two of them were very powerful (especially one of them). The two powerful systems came out against another system that had weak graphics compared to the others and worse loading times compared to the others. I think it was called the PlayStation 2. That sure sucked.

Seriously, at the WORST, the difference between Rev and the other systems will be like the difference between Xbox and PS2 and let's face it, no one really cares as long as it gets good games.

Not to count the endless stupid decisions that Nintendo makes on a daily basis.

You mean all the endless stupid decisions that helped them become very wealthy and profit off GameCube? Whether or not you agree with it as a gamer, they've made terrific business decisions (for the most part).

While I do think they've made some dumb decisions with the GameCube that kept them from really going up against Sony, I really do think they've been making good decisions so far with DS and Revolution, except for the questionable HD decision. And that's something we'll have to wait and see about.

 

[samusx]

Well let me do a very quick throw down of what I am trying to say about Nintendo and cheap gimicks in the last few years.

1) I was pissed about Luigi`s Mansion. I wanted a Mario type game, not some dumb vacuum game thing. Yea it was fun for a few rooms. Oh boy wow.
2) Oh yes the new Mario Shine game is coming, I am so excited, Mario just as I remember in the great Mario 64 3D goodness. Oh wait, OH NO, another crappy gimick. DAMN IT.
3) Nintendo DS for me and I think generaly is not really has not been justified yet. The useage of the touch screen is only really used well in a handful of games, and does not really justify creating a whole new system for. Most games could be made to work on the GBA not counting the games with Sub N64 graphics that is. And the 2 screen thing is the most useless thing. It is SO unneeded. Most games use it as a item screen, that could be done just the same as pressing start on the GBA.

All I am saying is, yes these ideas are fun for a while but it is not really what we wanted. We can learn to live with them, and we can look on the bright side of it, because we have to. But why should be have to learn to deal with it?

Nintendo reminds me of a parent trying to make his child happy. The kid(consumer) wants this really cool action figure, but it costs a little too much. The parent is kind of a cheap skate so he just gets some other action figure that does some back flip or something. The kid really wanted the one toy and was dreaming about how great it would be to play with it. But when the parent gives the kid the toy the kid is kind of dissapointed. It is still a toy but not what he wanted. Not the kid knows he is not going to get another toy for a while so instead of crying about it forever the kid just tries to learn to like it. And the parent thinks this is the way to keep his kids happy, by just getting the next cheapest toy to keep the kid quiet, but never really quenching his desire for what the kid really wants.

Now when you are talking about family and people that is fine because we love our parents and all that. But when you are a company and you have to keep people and the consumer happy, after a while people stop sucking it up. And if you look at it, people are slowly learning to spit at Nintendo`s feet a lot more and more these days compared to lets say 7 years ago. It is getter worse and worse as the years go on.

I know Nintendo makes more money NOW, then the rest of the big boys, but that might not last forever. And there is a lot to be said about public reception, and Nintendo`s image ain`t going so hot by many.

 

[Bluemercury]

Who care's, as long its fun and i can play all the metroid, zeldas and marios i could care less about the damn graphics, of course there's a limit they have to achieve.....

 

[CO_Andy]

This iz like the 3rd time i've read this interview on the forum.

Where did all the ***** news go?

Oops! Looks like i can't mention Folder's site here :lol

 

[Ruzbeh]

2) Oh yes the new Mario Shine game is coming, I am so excited, Mario just as I remember in the great Mario 64 3D goodness. Oh wait, OH NO, another crappy gimick. DAMN IT.

??????????

3) Nintendo DS for me and I think generaly is not really has not been justified yet.

Well, boys. Looks like we got ourselves a disbeliever!

 

[golduck342]

If they've seen it, how come we haven't heard any leaks? Must not be very many developers, or maybe even first party.

Nintendo invented the MIB memory eraser thing and built it into the prototype control.

 

[sprsk]

Well let me do a very quick throw down of what I am trying to say about Nintendo and cheap gimicks in the last few years.

1) I was pissed about Luigi`s Mansion. I wanted a Mario type game, not some dumb vacuum game thing. Yea it was fun for a few rooms. Oh boy wow.
2) Oh yes the new Mario Shine game is coming, I am so excited, Mario just as I remember in the great Mario 64 3D goodness. Oh wait, OH NO, another crappy gimick. DAMN IT.
3) Nintendo DS for me and I think generaly is not really has not been justified yet. The useage of the touch screen is only really used well in a handful of games, and does not really justify creating a whole new system for. Most games could be made to work on the GBA not counting the games with Sub N64 graphics that is. And the 2 screen thing is the most useless thing. It is SO unneeded. Most games use it as a item screen, that could be done just the same as pressing start on the GBA.

All I am saying is, yes these ideas are fun for a while but it is not really what we wanted. We can learn to live with them, and we can look on the bright side of it, because we have to. But why should be have to learn to deal with it?

Nintendo reminds me of a parent trying to make his child happy. The kid(consumer) wants this really cool action figure, but it costs a little too much. The parent is kind of a cheap skate so he just gets some other action figure that does some back flip or something. The kid really wanted the one toy and was dreaming about how great it would be to play with it. But when the parent gives the kid the toy the kid is kind of dissapointed. It is still a toy but not what he wanted. Not the kid knows he is not going to get another toy for a while so instead of crying about it forever the kid just tries to learn to like it. And the parent thinks this is the way to keep his kids happy, by just getting the next cheapest toy to keep the kid quiet, but never really quenching his desire for what the kid really wants.

Now when you are talking about family and people that is fine because we love our parents and all that. But when you are a company and you have to keep people and the consumer happy, after a while people stop sucking it up. And if you look at it, people are slowly learning to spit at Nintendo`s feet a lot more and more these days compared to lets say 7 years ago. It is getter worse and worse as the years go on.

I know Nintendo makes more money NOW, then the rest of the big boys, but that might not last forever. And there is a lot to be said about public reception, and Nintendo`s image ain`t going so hot by many.

 

[Zeo]

1) I was pissed about Luigi`s Mansion. I wanted a Mario type game, not some dumb vacuum game thing. Yea it was fun for a few rooms. Oh boy wow.

Okay, that's great, and I agree with you. But actually being pissed about that today is just stupid. Nintendo has already acknoledged that was a mistake and gone on the record saying the Revolution will launch with a new -real- Mario.

2) Oh yes the new Mario Shine game is coming, I am so excited, Mario just as I remember in the great Mario 64 3D goodness. Oh wait, OH NO, another crappy gimick. DAMN IT.

Mario Sunshine was a very good game. Compared to most other platformers this gen, it was incredibly fun. Mario 64 was better but Sunshine was NOT a bad game. And stop with the gimmick shit (and spell it correctly). It was a new game idea that they put in the game. Some people loved it, some people hated it. I thought it was fun and controlled perfectly. Give me a break, it was just Mario 64+, nothing that ruined the gameplay.

3) Nintendo DS for me and I think generaly is not really has not been justified yet. The useage of the touch screen is only really used well in a handful of games, and does not really justify creating a whole new system for. Most games could be made to work on the GBA not counting the games with Sub N64 graphics that is. And the 2 screen thing is the most useless thing. It is SO unneeded. Most games use it as a item screen, that could be done just the same as pressing start on the GBA.

Apparently you haven't played Kirby or seen upcoming games like Nintendogs and the fall lineup. Developers are now realizing what they can do with the DS. And really, it doesn't matter how you feel about it. It's successful and will only continue to grow throughout the upcoming year in Japan and America.

Call it it a gimmick if you want, just realize that a) it's working for them and b) gimmick also means "An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance; a gadget."

All I am saying is, yes these ideas are fun for a while but it is not really what we wanted.

Haha, so you don't want Nintendo telling us what we want, but it's okay for you to say what we want. I see.

 

[LowTecky]

All I am saying is, yes these ideas are fun for a while but it is not really what we wanted.

It's not? And all this time I thought I was enjoying Meteos..

 

[dog$]

Can't people just be glad that Nintendo is still around to change things around now and then?

No.

Not to mention bring us regular updates to the most beloved set of characters probably in the world. (Only Disney and Star Wars rivals it?)

Isn't the constant stream of updates and transplants (NBA Street, Soul Cal 2) making these characters less "beloved" as time wears on? Miyamoto himself said people don't react as positively to Mario now as years previous.

If we were to design our perfect handheld, it wouldve been like the TurboGraphx Express except with half the bulk, the PSP's screen, and five billion times the battery life.

Fixed.
The perfect handheld doesn't make you choose between your console games and your handheld games.

Yet its Nintendo's DS which has produced the most appealing games so far and is the first time I have felt excited by a console since the SNES days.

No, I don't think it has, or will.