Cyberpunk has less density in the world's atmosphere.
No it does not. Cyberpunk is doing more per frame by far. Objects are large - which requires more GPU cycles with the shaders. Tiny objects instanced all over the world isn't expensive.
cyberpunk got nothing on this.
He has another one.
Sorry I couldn't help myself.
That was Sucker Punch but how has previous Ratchet games been on this? Or Spider-Man?
You are arguing a different thing than I am. I never said one was more demanding than the other, goodness.
Honestly, I never really noticed in R&C on the PS4, not something I payed attention to with that game I suppose. Have not played either of the Spider-Man games yet either, but there were footprints left in the snow for Miles, I remember that much from the videos. Most of the city is a concrete jungle.
right - nice warm cartoon gfx.
Efficiency with tiny triangles is not generally heralded as great
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I knew before clicking the thread you'd be here. It's like you can't help yourself.
A console thread where people need to kept grounded and understand how what they find impressive actually sucks… compared to the glorious and cheap PCMR possibilities.
Yep this is why the 3D map in HZD makes your PS4 pro to get as noisy as an aircraft, each time you select it.
It's the contrary. Smaller polygons are harder to render than bigger ones. Much harder. Even Alex said it. Ratchet is basically displaying 1 polygon per pixel. That's UE5 level of polygon density, something you don't see in those big PC games like Cyberpunk because those have to run on myriad of hardware.
I wonder why Cyberpunk 2077 didn't use one polygon per pixel since it's not computationally expensive
This. That's a big goal of the PS5. Send lots and lots of small polygons with super-fast SSD and then render it with fast cycles.
Eh, but it would be such a waste of resources
I wonder why Cyberpunk 2077 didn't use one polygon per pixel since it's not computationally expensive
I'm not going to get into a subjective argument over R&C. It looks really great for it's artistic presentation. No one denies that fact. It's not a technical achievement like so many PS gamers are trying to declare. So let's just leave it objective when we talk about technical merits and subjective for the overall presentation. I think that's fair.Efficiency with tiny triangles is not generally heralded as great
Also not sure we should judge per frame complexity or even sometimes brute force correct approaches unless the results is really easily discernibly better or it massively simplifies a dev's work (it sometimes reads as boasting how much more expensive you can make something).
I meant to say small objects. And no, when they take up only a 1/200th of screenspace, the objects are cheap to render. Period. I've done it several times and know the costs. This game is not a technical marvel at all. It's an artistic marvel and that's OK.
That's not true unless they are pixel sized triangles with complicated shaders on them.
No he's not saying that. He said he can't find any polygon sharp edges. That's completey NOT the same as pixel sized triangles. FS2020 also has incredible tessellation but the game isn't pushing pixel sized triangles. UE5 is using pixel sized triangles. R&C is not that. Common guys.
Yes, that screengrab from a video looks better than Cyberpunk (artistically). On a technical level maybe not, but it probably has better AI than Cyberpunk.So, just to be clear. People are comparing this:
A small, compact city, with obscured landscape and fogged geometry in distance to something like this:
And their conclusion is that Ratchet looks better ? That its the peak of current graphics ? Nevermind that we have games like Half Life Alyx or Flight Simulator
So that was what you wanted to say from the beginning? You feel better? Guess what, we knew this was your take about it from the start. We were just messing with you. This is why you are not taken seriously when it's about any Playstation game, your bias is blinding you.
So, just to be clear. People are comparing this:
A small, compact city, with obscured landscape and fogged geometry in distance to something like this:
And their conclusion is that Ratchet looks better ? That its the peak of current graphics ? Nevermind that we have games like Half Life Alyx or Flight Simulator
I agree with the first part, but what? The enemies in R & C have no AI? I guess you could say they have that in common with Cyberpunk
So, just to be clear. People are comparing this:
A small, compact city, with obscured landscape and fogged geometry in distance to something like this:
And their conclusion is that Ratchet looks better ? That its the peak of current graphics ? Nevermind that we have games like Half Life Alyx or Flight Simulator
I agree with the first part, but what? The enemies in R & C have no AI? I guess you could say they have that in common with Cyberpunk
top looks betterSo, just to be clear. People are comparing this:
A small, compact city, with obscured landscape and fogged geometry in distance to something like this:
And their conclusion is that Ratchet looks better ? That its the peak of current graphics ? Nevermind that we have games like Half Life Alyx or Flight Simulator
