Which is incorrect. The PS4 has a 50% advantage over the Xbone. Based on what's known/suspected now, anyway.
DF: Xbone Specs/Tech Analysis: GPU 33% less powerful than PS4
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Which is incorrect. The PS4 has a 50% advantage over the Xbone. Based on what's known/suspected now, anyway.
Are you trying to redefine Math here? The PS4 has 50% more raw GPU processing power compared to the Xbone, not 33%.
You're quoting a product name (Gaikai is all you need to counter your answer), and mention a part/chip of the system that is not related to the "cloud" in any meaningful way. "Cloud computing" won't be used to enhance game processing anyway, as that would mean persistent significant cost in providing processing power for games - for marginal possible benefit. That's just economically unsound.
More bandwidth to deliver more data to it's more powerful GPU.
DDR3 is more responsive than GDDR5, but that latency response is only really useful in heavy multitasking environments that aren't ultimately controlled by a single program or process, for example a desktop environment running completely different programs.
put it this way, Xbox 360 had GDDR3 and it isn't exactly bottlenecked by memory latency issues.
there is no gaming advantage for a games console to have DDR3 instead of GDDR5. They're not doing anything that would make tiny latency differences a benefit vs moving large amounts of memory around (i.e. textures). DDR3 is cheaper and runs cooler, and uses less power. You're not going to see advantages in-game because there aren't any.
I do not understand what cloud processing can do, c'mon, some xbox loyalist even claimed that ddr3 was better than gddr5 because of lower latency, and now we have to wait hundreds of milliseconds to have data processed on servers hundreds of km away from the console. And even if that was true, how many servers should they have when millions of gamers play at the same time?.
And considering Sony has gaikai, they could also add that as a feature, if it worked , which I doubt.
And considering Sony has gaikai, they could also add that as a feature, if it worked , which I doubt.
E-Cat
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Fixed for accuracy.
Wishmaster92
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Suuure, so you're telling me that Cerny made a mistake using gddr5 instead of ddr3......lol Why didn't he pick 16gb of ddr3 ram? I'm sure he knew better than anyone else that gddr5 was a much better option.
crazygambit
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What the hell are you arguing? He's saying GDDR5 is much better for games. Are you saying the opposite?
WolfForager
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To be fair, I'm having a hard time trying to understand his point too.
Can Crusher
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Too much of a gap.
Probably been argued to death but i'm late to the next gen battle thanks to my hellish work schedule...
Seems to me that Microsoft purposely went into with smaller guns versus the PS4. They knew exactly what they were up against and had time to tuck tail and beef up specs but chose not to. It would make sense that you wouldn't want to be the absolute best in a 2 system battle in hopes that once again this coming generation console games would be made for their system and then a Playstation version is polished from your build. First party games will eventually show off Sony muscle but M$ will yell, oh hey guyz Halo, Gears looky looky lol! Of course Wii U is totally out of the picture, just referring to the big two consoles.
Seems to me that Microsoft purposely went into with smaller guns versus the PS4. They knew exactly what they were up against and had time to tuck tail and beef up specs but chose not to. It would make sense that you wouldn't want to be the absolute best in a 2 system battle in hopes that once again this coming generation console games would be made for their system and then a Playstation version is polished from your build. First party games will eventually show off Sony muscle but M$ will yell, oh hey guyz Halo, Gears looky looky lol! Of course Wii U is totally out of the picture, just referring to the big two consoles.
They are gonna be port buddies. The PS4 has a graphics card that is the next tier up. They are gonna push the same amount of poly's. The difference will be in the effects where the PS4 will have the advantage. Though the PS4 will have to give up a compute core or cpu core to handle audio while the X1 won't have to.
TheChewyWaffles
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I'm dying here...
DonMigs85
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The difference between the PS2 and original Xbox was bigger than it is for the One and PS4.
That said, the one is also still a very capable machine and I expect most cross-platform games will be extremely similar. Maybe just some extra effects, better textures and performance on the PS4 builds, if they do make use of the extra power.
That said, the one is also still a very capable machine and I expect most cross-platform games will be extremely similar. Maybe just some extra effects, better textures and performance on the PS4 builds, if they do make use of the extra power.
AgentP
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Latency has been going up year after year on both desktop memory and video memory, but so has performance. The PS4 has backdoors to skip the cache with the Onion and Garlic customizations.
rohlfinator
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I think they committed to DDR3 early on, because they needed a lot of RAM to support their focus on TV/movies, and they didn't think GDDR5 would be cheap enough to get 8GB.
The rest of the design differences are pretty much built around making that DDR3 work, and by the time Sony announced the PS4 specs it was way too late to move to GDDR5.
vpance
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Huh? PC and PS4 are perfect port buddies. No one targets Titan level power and mid range PC's will be in the area of PS4 power soon if not already.
this extra power means shit on multiplatform games because it has been said many times that microsoft will not allow games on their platform that look/perform inferior to the competition, first party on the other hand, dear god, i cant wait to see a naughty dog game on ps4 
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...Cloud processing is not something exclusive to XO. In-fact, with Gakai there's just as much reason to believe the PS4 will get it too.
Sony lucked out on securing 8 GB of GDDR memory
There's a 600gf difference between PS4 and Xbone. You need to add another >.
Also this comparison just highlighted that the Xbone is exactly the middle ground between a WiiU and PS4 in GPU performance. Wonder how many games will be sub-full-hd on the platform.
I doubt devs would do higher than 4096x2 in regards to texture resolution. 2048x2 still looks really good.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
No it won't, it's already confirmed Sony have given the PS4 it's own dedicated audio processing solution on board this time around. (In addition to extra silicon for data compression/decompression)
The Cerny said:
E-Cat
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But my >'s were actually multipliers.
And by your example, it would be more like
PS4 >>> XBONE >>>> WiiU
what exactly is anyone going to be processing via cloud? This seems like SimCity cloud processing...
Wishmaster92
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Sorry i misunderstood his third sentence, thanks for pointing it out, and no i agree with him then.
googleplex
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Does this also apply to games?
evidently they were using an entire 8 core CPU to emulate the processing of the SHAPE audio chip in ONE alpha test units
it is extremely powerful compared to typical audio often spread out on CPU
E-Cat
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Not even taking into consideration that Wii U is nowhere near 600 GLOPS, that's no way to think about it (additively).
I have three consoles:
Console One: 1 GFLOPS
Console Two: 100 GFLOPS
Console Three: 200 GFLOPS
By your logic, Console Two is exactly at the half-way point between Console One and Console Three. But as we can see, it is 100 times more powerful than Console One, but only twice as slow as Console Three. So Console Two and Console Three are much closer together than Console One and Console Two.
we dont know how many Gflops the WiiU gpu has, according to this the WiiU gpu HAS 430gFLOPS, but over in the wiiu spec thread they think its between 140 - 250Gflops, not to mention the better architecture and faster ram in the x1.
its more like this
PS4 >>> X1 >>>>> WiiU>PS3/360
Uh, would you happen to have compelling up to date supporting this claim especially in the light of rumour that PS4 will have a dedicated audio processor?
E-Cat
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Well, I was contemplating going with five >'s... but like you said, we don't know the real specs. No way is it under 250, though.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Codeblew
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Cloud processing is a stupid marketing term that doesn't mean anything. Your browser uses "cloud processing". You send a http request into the "cloud" and an http server "processes" the request and sends data back.
shinra-bansho
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He has tried to redefine mathematics before in ridiculous ways to try and downplay the discrepancy in processing power iirc.
Meanwhile, I don't know why people are hoping for "cloud processing" to save the day. It's like they forgot Sim City already, with all its complex cloud calculations that were impossible on your computer - but really weren't.
It's marketing nonsense at this stage.
Some people are even pretending it will be used to enhance graphical processing power? You'll stream data and process it in the cloud and send it back all within the space of a frame? I mean, reall? Get your head out of the cloud.
Wrong, the PS4 has a dedicated audio chip.
TheGreyHulk
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precisely. both have DSP's, so there is no audio processing adv f/ xbone
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