pcostabel
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Halo?
DF: Xbone Specs/Tech Analysis: GPU 33% less powerful than PS4
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Halo?
Its the coud computing.
BlazingDarkness
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Or
XBone has 12 CUs
PS4 has 18 CUs
PS4 has a third more, meaning the Bone isn't 50% weaker because that would mean PS4 has 24 CUs?
DragonSworne
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People who think 1/3 is not significant please look at this chart
That's significant.
That's significant.
Shouldn't the similar architecture of both allow for games to be more easily scaled to each system?
marjo
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But if the PS4 maintains free online play, then the PS4 will be the cheaper system in the long run, even if it costs $200 more initiallly.
Of course, whether the typical match challenged consumer is able to work that out remains to be seen.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Misinformation aside... Sony took a gamble they could just slot in DDR5, MS played it safe but ultimately had to create more exotic work arounds and thus add cost onto their silicon, so infact the cost of both looks equal. Before you factor in Kinect however...
Pretty hilarious that now the XBONE is the exotic slightly more roundabout hardware to work with after this long generation of the opposite.
With the law of diminishing returns, the Xbox One doesn't have to be as powerful. Developers code for the lowest common denominator up. Where was Cell's amazing power advantage for PS3? Nowhere to be seen in apart from Naughty Dog's games. If MS use their cash on exclusives to lock out PS4 and launch at a decent undercut in price, say £50 / $100 cheaper, bye bye PS4.
First of all, I greatly disagree with your word choice. Neither system is even close to offering "excessive" power.Man, the 26 people who will be able to afford a ps4 at launch will sure be lording it over the XBox fans
Jokes aside, what do we reckon the price difference will be, if any, between the two?
Would you rather have:
- Excessive powah for more £/$
- Less powah for less £/$?
Bearing in mind the actual practical difference between the the projected TFLOPpage?
As for price difference, there shouldn't be much.
intheinbetween
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fixed for great memories
But the Xbox One will not be cheaper, have you see what they are throwing in there? Those moneyhats to NFL aren't free either.
dead monkey uk
Member
This was the biggest shock (disappointment) for me yesterday. MS choose to end their conference with a game that looks like a current gen shooter. People have already seen BF3 and Crysis 3 on PC looking much better than this.
After the PS4 reveal my thoughts were looks good I wonder what MS will reveal, after MS reveal I thought I want a PS4. Big win for Sony yesterday.
DragonSworne
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Xbox One will problem be more expensive than PS4...
hardcastlemccormick
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Look, it's not hard.
It's PS4-X1, or 4-1. You get 3. That's one third. Put two together and you get 33%.
Math.
It's PS4-X1, or 4-1. You get 3. That's one third. Put two together and you get 33%.
Math.
That's because the GPU and RAM solution of the 360 where better than the PS3's.
They'll be more or less the same price.Man, the 26 people who will be able to afford a ps4 at launch will sure be lording it over the XBox fans
Jokes aside, what do we reckon the price difference will be, if any, between the two?
Would you rather have:
- Excessive powah for more £/$
- Less powah for less £/$?
Bearing in mind the actual practical difference between the the projected TFLOPpage?
Man, the 26 people who will be able to afford a ps4 at launch will sure be lording it over the XBox fans
Jokes aside, what do we reckon the price difference will be, if any, between the two?
Would you rather have:
- Excessive powah for more £/$
- Less powah for less £/$?
Bearing in mind the actual practical difference between the the projected TFLOPpage?
Kinect comes with every Xbox.
kurtrussell
Banned
Man, the 26 people who will be able to afford a ps4 at launch will sure be lording it over the XBox fans
Jokes aside, what do we reckon the price difference will be, if any, between the two?
Would you rather have:
- Excessive powah for more £/$
- Less powah for less £/$?
Bearing in mind the actual practical difference between the the projected TFLOPpage?
I can't see the price being different. Despite the lower cost of DDR3 vs GDDR5, the extra cost associated with the unique architecture in the One (32MB ESRAM, etc..) will even the playing field a little bit as far as costs go. I suspect both will launch at $399
Ol No Bones
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There is a difference this time. The PS3 had massive hurdles to making great looking games. The ps4 should be the easiest console to develop on ever. So the raw numbers might show up in performance more than they normally do. I'm seriously curious about this cloud computing business MS keeps talking about. In 2013 is their a way to improve performance that much through the cloud.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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I'm still baffled as to why MS is hedging their bets with TV boxes in an era where cutting the cable is becoming a feasible and attractive thing. MS should have been a means to do that and it probably will be, but it'll be -- once again -- limited to the wonderful home territory of the US.
I can't believe this post :lol
I'd like one reason why a REAL core gamer would buy a console over a PC.
The answer is exclusives, and it looks like both will have tons. Period.
Raven77
Member
Can we quit ragging on this guy or gal for getting the %'s wrong and move on to, you know, discussing the topic at hand? We get it, he doesn't understand the % ratios. The real point is the difference in power.
The power difference is interesting, I'm curious if developers will develop first on PS4 / PC then "port down" to the XB1, especially if the XB1 is not the top selling console.
The only reason that the 360 was the go-to choice for devs this gen is because 1. it was easy to develop on, and 2. it was the highest selling console in the U.S. for a long long time (excluding the Wii which was held back by being underpowered and having an abnormal control scheme).
If the PS4 is the highest selling console in the U.S. AND the PC remains healthy, etc. you could see a changing of the guard of sorts where the XB1 is getting crappy ports.
The power difference is interesting, I'm curious if developers will develop first on PS4 / PC then "port down" to the XB1, especially if the XB1 is not the top selling console.
The only reason that the 360 was the go-to choice for devs this gen is because 1. it was easy to develop on, and 2. it was the highest selling console in the U.S. for a long long time (excluding the Wii which was held back by being underpowered and having an abnormal control scheme).
If the PS4 is the highest selling console in the U.S. AND the PC remains healthy, etc. you could see a changing of the guard of sorts where the XB1 is getting crappy ports.
hardcastlemccormick
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Because the article is focused on the X1, and comparing the X1 to other systems, not the other way around.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Not like consumers will know the difference
dragonflys545
Member
They were dreams that was crushed.
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Well it's not enough to go from 30 to 60, so I doubt it'll be that interesting, it'll just be IQ advantages won't it?
You got Gies'd.
Ol No Bones
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I know many people who no longer purchase cable. Its just a stupid way to announce a gaming console. E3 better be good or the early adopters might run from this thing. If ms said we don't have the same hardware but we are cheaper and we have loads of exclusive new IP AND then we also have some cool tv stuff I think it would have been more well received.
Do you know what ROPS are?
Are you serious? It's simple math ... A lot of people explained it. Read and think again before writing.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
You spin me right round baby right round....
This sounds a lot like early ps3 spin in terms of development difficulties compared to the rival platforms.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Why are you quoting that? This is a thread about the hardware and how it can be compared down to the specs, not PR fluff. Enjoy the exotic architecture devs were so eager to jump into on PS3 I guess!
Can't speak for everything we heard about, but some of it was very simply people misinterpreting very ordinary things from the leaked Xbox docs because they had no clue what they were referring to. We had people winking and nudging over bloody ROPs as if they were something special.
(This is when those docs were in the hands of a limited few, and before VG Leaks posted pertinent bits. When VG Leaks did post the details, the above misinterpretations were clear)
velociraptor
Junior Member
PS4: 1.84TF
XO: 1.23TF
1.84 is 50% greater than 1.23
1.23 is 33% less than 1.84
Basically... math.
Calm down dude. I can also make a new thread with this if that fits better in your opinion.
Do you know what ROPS are?
18 is 50% more than 12 (12 is 100%, so 18 is 150%)
12 is 33% less than 18 (because 12 is 66% of 18)
Lagspike_exe
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Tag fishing.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
come on man, it's just...math. just do the numbers.
You are massively, massively underselling the pretty substantial difference: A 50% advantage is significant and could potentially lead to huge performance, resolution and AA differences:
The 660 Ti and a 670 are both rated at 2,6 TFLOPS, and therefore extremely similar in real world performance.
The Xbone is at the level of a GeForce GTX 560 Ti
The PS4 is about at the level of a GeForce GTX 660
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