DF: Xbone Specs/Tech Analysis: GPU 33% less powerful than PS4
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hardcastlemccormick
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It's not a different figure. It's the same figure converted.
"PlayStation 4's 18 CU graphics core has 50 per cent more raw power than the GPU in the new Microsoft console"
Read that? That sentence is right and you could say that ps4 gpu is 50% more powerfull than XBone cpu.
However in percentages, something like A is 50% more than B does NOT translate in B is 50% less powerfull than A. You have to calculate that and the result is B is 33% less powerful than A.
Even if Sony lost and reserved 1 GB of RAM for the OS. I would still think the PS4 would be a more appealing machine. I have no idea what MS is thinking.
Framerate and Image quality is important for gameplay.
Man, the 26 people who will be able to afford a ps4 at launch will sure be lording it over the XBox fans
Jokes aside, what do we reckon the price difference will be, if any, between the two?
Would you rather have:
- Excessive powah for more £/$
- Less powah for less £/$?
Bearing in mind the actual practical difference between the the projected TFLOPpage?
What do we know? The article says the silicon budgets are similar, which means the prices should be similar. The PS4 has GDDR5 which is more expensive, as well as an additional chip for video streaming/encoding. The XBOne has Kinect. These latter components are what is going to influence the price difference. My guess? The prices will be similar.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Be sure to title it "MS makes flimsy excuse over PS4 spec superiority; no further questions your honour"
The PS4 will have the variety in games, but with a better performance profile as well as graphics. Why would Microsoft of all companies have a monopoly on good gameplay?
A 50% increase (& whatever the RAM will influence) is not "marginal" by any stretch of the imagination.
I know what this tells me.
When I decide I want to drop $700AU on a console, I'm just going to upgrade the GPU on my PC and have it outlast both consoles. I really expected to be thoroughly wowed by both consoles by now, but the only thing that's kind of come close is Drive Club.
When I decide I want to drop $700AU on a console, I'm just going to upgrade the GPU on my PC and have it outlast both consoles. I really expected to be thoroughly wowed by both consoles by now, but the only thing that's kind of come close is Drive Club.
An argument can be made that other devs will hold back but will Sony's?
Imagine what devs like Naughty Dog, Polyphony, Guerrilla Games and many more will do with 50% more power. Will devs like Kojima sit back and watch this or will they also step up?
kurtrussell
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Since when has 33% been marginal?!
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We had the same discussion in this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=53870013&highlight=#post53870013
SniperHunter
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i loved that one 4.9tflop ign rumor. eric from ibm will appear on stage lolll
The secret sauce?
That is why MS wants you to use their tools, and won't permit hard coding... that is also why Sony isn't afraid to talk specs while MS hides the technical details. The XBone was created for the morons who made Wal-Mart rich (cheap people), and the PS4 made for actual gamers.
MS will win the generation in the USA going away, because Americans in general are stupid, and don't mind getting bent over with crappy business practices. XBox Live shows you as much, not to mention the success of stores such as Wal-Mart.
The XBone will rule NA, and have no presence anywhere else. Should be interesting to see the final numbers.
MS will win the generation in the USA going away, because Americans in general are stupid, and don't mind getting bent over with crappy business practices. XBox Live shows you as much, not to mention the success of stores such as Wal-Mart.
The XBone will rule NA, and have no presence anywhere else. Should be interesting to see the final numbers.
Can people stop arguing the math? It was clarified quite well on the first page.
In any case, the big reveal to me is that the XB1 uses an infrared relay to achieve channel switching. That means you're still a slave to whatever inaccuracies or quibbles your cable box has. New thread worthy?
It's not, but if the lead platform ends up being the X1, then it probably won't be as big a difference as it otherwise could be. Doesn't seem likely we'll see 60fps on PS4 yet 30 on the X1, for example.
In any case, the big reveal to me is that the XB1 uses an infrared relay to achieve channel switching. That means you're still a slave to whatever inaccuracies or quibbles your cable box has. New thread worthy?
It's not, but if the lead platform ends up being the X1, then it probably won't be as big a difference as it otherwise could be. Doesn't seem likely we'll see 60fps on PS4 yet 30 on the X1, for example.
Chuck Norris
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When working upwards you are starting with 12. 50% of 12 is 6. 12+6 is 18, therefore it represents a 50% increase.
When working backwards you are using 18 as the starting number, therefore the difference of 6 is 33% of 18. If you remove 6 ROPs it is a 33% decrease.
joffocakes
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This thread has been excellent. Math*!
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dragonflys545
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It's call The Weak Sauce.
E-Cat
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I agree, but then MS would've had the talking point of having "twice as much RAM", and you know the mainstream press eats that shit up.
I don't think that correlates to 33% more fun.
Always-honest
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I can't even see how xbox would even be able to set foot on europe again right now.
It seems like a completely lost battle.
Maybe if they have mindblowing exclusives..
It seems like a completely lost battle.
Maybe if they have mindblowing exclusives..
Lagspike_exe
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It's Tom Penny.
There's a lot of information yet to be revealed. But as of right now, based on what we know, it doesn't seem to make a ton of sense.
Looks like it correlates to 33% more strawman arguments.
hardcastlemccormick
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This is true and totally amazing.
Crimson_Gold
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My goodness, you're right. I know 1st party developers will take advantage of this, but I wonder which developers will make it a matter of pride to show off when they can.
Kojima, come on over and play.
So what? "Fun" is subjective and this is a hardware article discussions thread. But: Between two similar machines, I'm more drawn to the one that will allow for a broader range of games by virtue of being significantly more powerful. Why would I buy the "middle of the road" machine (and the Wii U is sure to be the more interesting console in terms of "fun experiences" compared to the Xbone - I'd rather go Sony/Nintendo).
Microsoft doesn't have the breadth of first party titles Nintendo or Sony has, I'm not expecting much relevant gameplay innovations from them.
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Or
He can look at it like so:
The PS3 is 50% of 1.23 (XBone) more powerful.
And
The XBO is 33% of 1.84 (PS4) more powerful.
If it helps, remember that they are two separate figures.
300% Beaten.
a=psquadruple powerlevel
b=xbone powerlevel
If: a=1.5b <=> b=(1/1.5)a~0.66a, so the xbone is (1-0.66)x100%=33% less powerful than the eight times ghost brother gaming donkey drama 5: first blood redux 4 edition.
Takes a big man to apologize on here. Most people just flay you like a Bolton.
PuppetMaster
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Solid article.
No new information though. Just cements what we already heard from leaked specs. And puts the final nails in the coffin of the naysayers who were trying to say the rumors were "out of date" or somehow incorrect.
No new information though. Just cements what we already heard from leaked specs. And puts the final nails in the coffin of the naysayers who were trying to say the rumors were "out of date" or somehow incorrect.
Heh, poignant.
Really? Wow.
mysteriousmage09
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Go join the Nintendo crowd, you'll fit right in.
perineumlick
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Snapping over to sports/Skype > gameplay/graphics.
Danm! That's gotta be waaaay over 30%! At LEAST 30% over 30%!
You win.
E-Cat
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That's right, it's a logarithmic curve.
AlfredX1990
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Xplatformer
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Because potentially better IQ and frame rate in worst case.
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