The Artisan
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holy fuck, and that's all just for adventure 1?
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holy fuck, and that's all just for adventure 1?
I haven't watched any anime in maybe 7 years but I loved Digimon back in the day. They stopped showing it on Fox Kids so just lost interest over the years. Tri with the original characters is bringing me back but in the meantime might watch the ones I missed.
Was Data Squad or Fusion any good? I pretty much enjoyed the first four.
Was Data Squad or Fusion any good? I pretty much enjoyed the first four.
CoolBatteryCharge
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No idea what the consensus is on them, but I thought Data Squad was ok and hated Fusion.
Only watched Data Squad/Savers in Japanese (and first 15 eps in English) and it's awesome imo. Fusion/Xros Wars. I watched the first 30 episodes in Japanese before I stopped (and I watched the final two because fan service cross overs) and I thought it was pretty boring. It felt more samey than any other Digimon series imo. Bored me so much.
The Artisan
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imo digimon fell the fuck off after adventure 2. i hated how they made the first 2 animes, an anime in that universe.
Paper Sparrow
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Yo, you better not be bashing Tamers. GOAT season along with original Adventure.
CoolBatteryCharge
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Wat. Tamers is the best one!
My general opinion:
Adventure 01: Good
Adventure 02: Bad
Tamers: Great
Frontier: Good
Data Squad: Ok
Fusion: Bad
The Artisan
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fuck no, man. i'm sorry but I hated season 3 for doing that
Well near the top of the last page Paper Sparrow linked the V-jump it came issued in, so that confirms its legit existence.
The Artisan
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adventure 1 > all other digimon anime. the thing about tamer that killed it for me was not being a part of the same universe as 01 and 02.
Paper Sparrow
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If it makes you feel better, that was only a dub thing, and it's heavily implied that Adventure and Tamers are connected because of Ryo.
The Artisan
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that's what I thought at first, but the thing about Ryo is that he was a main character in a digimon video game, and in one of the games he is given a choice to PICK which world to live in. if anything, that's emphasizing the separate universes even more.
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Get over it. Not everything has to take place in the same damn universe.
Didn't Ryo cross over between universes in one of those WonderSwan games?
I'd bump Data Squad (or Savers since I only watched it in Japanese) up to good, but beyond that I agree.
Paper Sparrow
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Ah, if you are upset about separate universes, I got nothing for you there. But in sub Tamers, Adventure isn't a TV show.
CoolBatteryCharge
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I was glad they did something new after seeing the back half of Adventure 02. I get why some people stopped caring with Tamers though.
I always thought it would be cool if they did a sort of "best of" season following Ryo's universe hopping through different season storylines, but I have no idea how they would pace or structure that to make it good.
The Artisan
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yeah, like I'm gonna get over it coz some guy whom I've never met on the gaf is telling me to. changing universes in any lore is never something i've been fond of. that's just my personal preference.
sub tamers?
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It's still pretty blatant that nothing that happened in Adventure or 02 happened in the Tamers universe or vice-versa, and their versions of the Digital World don't really line up with one another.
Ryo is a walking plot hole. Try connecting the games/tamers/adventure without contradicting anything. TRY IT. It's impossible.
Only thing that makes sense is that the Ryo in Adventure and in Tamers are different (and ignore the games entirely). Of course it then makes you wonder what Kens adventure was all about since that was never elaborated on nor was Ryo even mentioned by name in Adventure.
Only thing that makes sense is that the Ryo in Adventure and in Tamers are different (and ignore the games entirely). Of course it then makes you wonder what Kens adventure was all about since that was never elaborated on nor was Ryo even mentioned by name in Adventure.
Paper Sparrow
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Japanese version with subtitles
Sure, but Adventure technically "exists" in the Tamers season, even if it is a different universe. It's not just a made up thing that never really happened.
Not that it really matters to me. After 02's awful ending, I couldn't have cared less.
It's pretty obvious that he's only in Tamers for fanservice.
I'd push Savers up to Good/ But I agree with this completely.
Well Xros Wars more or less said they all happened, just in different Universes.
Masaru punching VenomVamdemon FTW.
Well yeah but I do wish they had done something proper since all the contradictions and plot holes really mess with any Character Ryo might have had before joining the Tamers group. It's not much fanservicey when I question how many people actually played the Wonderswan titles or knew who Ryo was when he was shown in 02. (don't think the Wonderswan games sold much in Japan did they?)
Masaru punching VenomVamdemon FTW.
Well yeah but I do wish they had done something proper since all the contradictions and plot holes really mess with any Character Ryo might have had before joining the Tamers group. It's not much fanservicey when I question how many people actually played the Wonderswan titles or knew who Ryo was when he was shown in 02. (don't think the Wonderswan games sold much in Japan did they?)
The Artisan
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jeez. it was really that bad? like, Me3 bad?
I really don't remember hating it that much as a kid, one of these days I should go back and rewatch it again
CoolBatteryCharge
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I should try watching the series in Japanese and see how my opinions change.
Yeah, that's where my "structuring" issue comes in. Love to see them try it though.
MaloMyotismon was defeated by kids yelling their hopes and dreams at him. Then the time skip and "shipping" happened.
The emotional moments in Savers Japanese is great. Episode 15 (though it was alright in Eng, just not as good as the JP version imo) had some great VA from Touma plus hearing the insert song Believer while Touma just stands there as he gets attacked by Metalphantomons Soul Predator was awesome. Love watching him do that, "FINISH HIM" "YES MASTER"
And moments such as Rizegreymons appearance and Garudamon's appearance near the very end with Chika (her English name made me wtf when I heard it. Chika isn't that hard to say >_> ) are all well done imo.
The Artisan
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from this short description alone I'd say this is on par with Me3.
AcademicSaucer
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Fox Kids was the shit man, Fucking Disney bought it and began taking out all the animes ...
The Artisan
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fox kids was the shit. saturday morning cartoons have never been more real (than back in that day)
Paper Sparrow
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Yeah, for such an interesting third party, he should have been done better. I have a feeling his plot hole nature was because he was forced on the writing staff.
This is what Konaka said about him.
I really despise 02's latter half with a passion. It was my favorite season as a child, but rewatching took it right down to the bottom.
ME3 is the perfect analogy. Late game 02 was like the writers had no idea what made Adventure good in the first place. Let's just throw everything in along with the kitchen sink!
lol did you even watch Tamers? 02 was crap compared to the first season and Tamers is better than both.
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I was glad a few of the parents (Izzys mum, Kens dad and TKs mum) got involved a little in the second half. The second season needed more of them.
Also still BS how Izzys dad didn't appear and Matts/TKs dad wasn't in it much outside of the Odaiba memorial episode.
Still saddens me that outside of Iori's grandpa, Daisuke's sister, and Ken's parents, we barely know anything about the new Chosen Children's families. (Especially since Miyako's family seemed like such an obvious character thing for her.)
One of the best parts of Adventure was the involvement of the parents and siblings. 02 completely ignores most of that.
The Artisan
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yes I did, and no, it isn't.
Me3 is THE go-to example for a bad ending to a story. I thought 02 was riddled with more than a few problems as well but tamers overall wasn't as entertaining to me. I didn't mind the darker tone but would've preferred they either did so with the original cast or incorporated them in some way.
Tamers was legit, man. I was resistant to the changes at first but ended up really loving it. Henry + Terriermon were the best, up there with TK and Izzy for me.
But even if you didn't like Tamers, at least we can all agree Davis was the worst. The fucking worst. Fuck that guy. Fucking Daisuke. Fucking cockstain ruined 02.
Also, did you guys ever read the V-Tamer manga? I remember reading a bunch of fan translation chapters as a kid and loving the hell out of them. They were never properly translated to english as far as I know but I remember the fan translation wasn't too bad. I never got to finish it though since I caught up with the translation and never went back to see if anyone finished the series.
But even if you didn't like Tamers, at least we can all agree Davis was the worst. The fucking worst. Fuck that guy. Fucking Daisuke. Fucking cockstain ruined 02.
Also, did you guys ever read the V-Tamer manga? I remember reading a bunch of fan translation chapters as a kid and loving the hell out of them. They were never properly translated to english as far as I know but I remember the fan translation wasn't too bad. I never got to finish it though since I caught up with the translation and never went back to see if anyone finished the series.
The Artisan
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I didn't hate tamers, I just disliked several aspects of its setting. But it was good.
And yes, we can all agree, fuck Davis.
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Well he is the only one with any real character development. Iori/Cody does sort of barely.
The Artisan
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I think the
tk vs digimon emperor fist fight
The Artisan
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if the fight lasted longer than 30 seconds I think magna angemon would've made a good match to blackwargreymon. he did take on piedmon himself in 01.
CoolBatteryCharge
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Agreed. The first half of 02 with all the Emperor stuff was solid, though it did drag a bit. Ken was a great villain. I'll also throw BlackWargreymon out there as being cool, though I think his character type was done a lot better with Beelzemon.
Paper Sparrow
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I'd argue that Ken and cool digivolutions are the only reasons to watch 02. Without Ken the whole thing feels like a waste of time. -.-
Wait, how could I forget. That was easily one of the greatest things to ever happen. Makes me smile every time.
IIRC, he had the upper hand until BWG destroyed the spire and he was forced to turn back into patamon.
The Artisan
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same. well, that one time I saw it as a kid I loved it.
makes sense. the angel digimon always seemed stronger than their digivolution level.
EDIT: wait, I don't remember - digimon couldn't keep their power if the control spires were destroyed? I thought the control spires were evil constructions.
Paper Sparrow
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It must be seen multiple times!
same. well, that one time I saw it as a kid I loved it.
It was a destiny stone that was destroyed, not a control spire. Blackwargreymon was destroying them for... reasons and the power of one made Angemon digivolve.
Angel digimon are usually stronger in Adventure because the villains are usually dark digimon, giving them an advantage.
Absolutely. The best episode by far in 02 was 23 which explored his past.
The Japanese dub features an excellent track that fit the episode perfectly.
I'll confidentially say that Jenrya and Ruki are up there in the echelon of the best Digimon human characters of all time.
I was glad a few of the parents (Izzys mum, Kens dad and TKs mum) got involved a little in the second half. The second season needed more of them
Also still BS how Izzys dad didn't appear and Matts/TKs dad wasn't in it much outside of the Odaiba memorial episode.
His mini story line during the Vandemon arc was really well done. Touched the heart for sure. This moment tugs the heart every time:
Such a lovely character he is.
V-Tamer manga was incredible. Its more pokemon-ish than the regular Digimon media out, but I liked the Taichi and Zeromaru dynamic a lot. Very good read.
Paper Sparrow
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Absolutely. The best episode by far in 02 was 23 which explored his past.
The Japanese dub features an excellent track that fit the episode perfectly.
That episode was done a disservice in the dub. I'd encourage those watching through the English dubs to watch the Japanese version for that episode, it's that different.
Not to mention Tamers is one of the few seasons that has well written female characters.
Absolutely. The best episode by far in 02 was 23 which explored his past.
The Japanese dub features an excellent track that fit the episode perfectly.
Having watched it subbed in Netflix recently, and it was great. I honestly don't remember the dub dialogue to compare it to, though. Any examples? Major script changes? Wrong tone?
Paper Sparrow
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I wouldn't be able to give an exact rundown unless I watch it again, but it suffers from the usual dub problems of talkiness and refusing to stay silent. Except, while this is arguably fine normally (I won't fault people for liking the dub more), it clashes with what this episode is about.
Here are the general script changes.
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