Oh yes, anyone who disagrees must be a console warrior, remarkable logic. I can't possibly have been playing Halo 4 about ten minutes ago, I must detest MS to think GoW3 could possibly look better (and I don't even think it does).
Digital Foundry -- Halo 4 Tech Analysis
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There never really was. In order for one console to have a sizable advantage would be to have more RAM and a much more advanced GPU.
That's neither the case for both consoles.
It's not something obvious like Xbox/GC Vs. PS2.
There's one environment in Reach that stands out as being similar. I don't know it's name off hand, but it was huge.
Dictator93
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I was not disagreeing with you about this game shenanigans. I merely pointed out your technical talk was factually incorrect. Fuck halo. Fuck gow 3. Fuck ps3. Fuck 360. I am not even talking about them.
Stop mentioning them. I am talking about your information concerning occlusion culling (which is wrong. Stop asking as if I am defending halo or even gow 3. I could not care less about those games. I am just talking about being factual.
Last statement. Read it as you will. I am not talking about the games, I am talking about your incorrect information. Gow 3 could be a better looking game for all I know (probably is), but dont spread false information.
There are very few ps3 games with SSAO, let alone parallax mapping (i cannot even think of one). Most console games use a mix of dynamic and static baked maps. This thread is just getting out of control. Different games look different for a variety of reasons. There are technical trade offs. ot every ps3 games has obmb, not every xbox 360 game has full res alpha.
This is just annoying now. I am out
There aren't any PS3 exclusives that has every one of those things checklisted in a single game.
Okay. I don't know why you even broached 'console warriors' then, but fine.
XtremeXpider
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And there are Xbox 360 games that has those things too.
I came for the screens, I left with a copy of PGR4. I love this thread.
Yep.
Not even the feature box king Crysis 2 does that.
It's like people want the consoles to act like PCs and not think about the framerate.
Uncharted one uses parallax mapping.
http://uk.ign.com/games/dual-pack-uncharted-uncharted-2/ps3-812550
And I've read on Beyond3D that Uncharted 2 has some form of sub-surface scattering in cutscenes.
Again, it speaks volume about the advantages of having a flexible API.
XtremeXpider
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Alan Wake, even sub-hd, is impressive (lighting)
Yeah but I always found the SSAO in the game to be weak, fortunately the PC version fixes this.
I may be wrong. I can't remember if in-game cutscenes have this or not.
Anyway it does have cascade shadows and SSAO.
Tip of The Spear mission, i believe .
XtremeXpider
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It looks really impressive:
And BK:N&B looks good too:
Those aren't on PS3, they can't look that impressive.
It looks really impressive:
And BK:N&B looks good too:
The amount of stuff being rendered on screen... That is beautiful.
Not really. You can get a bit fancier on PS3 if you code for the Cell but nothing major. Sony just has more internal studios that focus on visuals than Microsoft. The 360 has been very underutilized this gen. It's better GPU hasn't really gotten to prove itself against the Cell as much.
or, those arent PC games. the fun is inferior.
You left a better person than when you came in. And that what it's all about. HOKEY POKEY!!
Lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENILnw_abd8&feature=relmfu KZ has more explosions and volumetric smoke filling up the screen at a time then any area in Halo. Eevery bullet you fire kicks up smoke in KZ
i don't think that's the case at all. We have plenty of multiplatform games that focus on visuals too and look incredible, they just happen not to be exclusive so they don't get the militant fanboy lip service that comes with console exclusives.
YouTube'd it, yeah, it's that one.
Is that really a measuring stick for better graphics? Gears of War 3 manages even more explosions and volumetric smoke that lasts a while.
Every game has tradeoffs.
Battlefield 3 does all of that..
That too. I still think Crysis 2 on 360 looks just as good as Killzone 2, in some instances better. It would have been interesting to see how good Ryse woul've looked on 360 with Cryteck focusing on just one platform, assuming the rumors of it shifting to next gen are true.
Oh yeah, forgot they dont have motion blur but it manages the other things.
iamshadowlark
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If you are referring to GOW3, then this post is all incorrect.
Well the engine is running above 30fps. You tell me.
Bayonetta on Xbox 360
FFXIII on PS3
While it's true a lot of multiplatform games perform and look significantly better on 360 they don't have the same level of love and care that a focused, exclusive game would have in their visuals.
Is there a direct comparable scene for Gears 3 that you have in mind? I have only seen the KZ2 engine being compared with Gears 2 - here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvYPiEi4eU
Also of course every game has tradeoffs. I was responding to the completely false post that KZ2/3 has nothing going on screen.
Every game only renders only what the camera shows.
how do you know this? You can't tell me games like RDR doesn't get just as much love and care as any console exclusive
Fire up a Gears 3 multiplayer match on youtube and watch the explosions.
The biggest case of volumetric smoke happens in this area...
I don't remember anything busy in Gears, not to take anything from it because its one of the best looking game out there. KZ2/3 is the most chaotic game out there hands down, especially the 32 player matches with the constant re spawning and effects.
If you're not swirling the camera around and having the camera on a fixed angle you save performance and there's less problems of LOD pop in. It's no surprise the framerate goes UP in those particular sections of God of War 3.
Windom Earle
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Console versions of C2 should never be mentioned in tech discussions. Sub hd + horrible framerate. Ugh.
Nowhere nearly as much happening on screen at a time compared to the vid I posted. That part in the Gears video reminded me more of the desert storm section that happens in UC3 multi. The actual explosions and dirt coming out of the ground when shooting is much lesser in Gears.
I agree. KZ2 more than 3 though. KZ2 just looked far more visually impressive than 3 IMO. They really should not have toned down the blur. It made KZ2 feel more CG
iamshadowlark
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What is this supposed to prove?
Baconsammy
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And yet when you fire your gun into the water the water does nothing. Perhaps that's why it sold so poorly.
Seriously though, god bless the awesomeness of Halo that it can still make people do what they did in this thread. Impressive.
Every game is optimised so different camera angles don't cause framerate drops. It's just less work in GOW, but that assumes the camera angles dont get adjusted as development progresses (and they're not entirely fixed anyway).
It depends on the amount of people playing, the area, and the weapons in MP. Or you can just watch the SP with more stuff going on if that impresses you. I really don't see a difference between the two personally.
I'm not saying it's easier to do, but it does save performance. There are only 2 other games that uses GOW's camera system.
Castlevania LOS : Which pushes too much effects for the engine to handle with a tremendous performance cost.
Dante's Inferno: Manages decent graphics with a locked 60fps framerate.
I was talking generally. If you look at something like Halo 4 there's an amazing cohesiveness to the visuals. Every effect is thought out and used in order to get the most out of the console and none of them really clash. The same can't be said of most multiplatform games. There's just an extra layer of care in there that really makes them shine. Sony's exclusives do a great job of this and I would like to see more of that out of the 360 that aren't racing games.
That's amazing, you just can't praise a 360 game without tons of Sony fanboys jumping at you and telling you are wrong and that UC3/KZ3/whatever PS3 exclusive looks more impressive.