Digital Foundry -- Halo 4 Tech Analysis
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Needs its own thread.
"I thought you'd be taller"
Love that scene
343 keeps screwing up the scale. She is 6'9", yet in the CG Spartan Ops episode, she is barely taller than Lasky, who is much smaller than Chief, who is 7' in armor. And in the Campaign, most the people you come across are as tall as Chief. Hell, even some marines look about 2-3" taller.
343's not the only one doing this. In Bungie's Halos, the Chief's and the Arbiter's size wasn't consistent, in some scenes they were a lot taller and larger, in some they were just a bit taller/larger.
The only consistent game in this regard is Halo CE.
That's annoying. Shame, since one of 343i's stated goals with Halo 4 was to make sure they got the sense of Chief's imposing size and weight across.
Elginer
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Absolutely. This game is begging for more hardware. I can feel it everywhere.
TUROK
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Well, they were given drugs to give them reduced sex drives...
some of the outdoor textures...ughhh.
shinobi602
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The 360 deserves some exclusives.
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Exclusives are one of the worst things in gaming, by far.
Really? It's worth depriving gamers of a quality title, as well as preventing the game from reaching its full potential, just so they can label it an "exclusive"?
SMH.
Port it to PC and then call it a "360 console exclusive" if it matters that much.
I thought the PC didn't count in the console exclusive wars.
shinobi602
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People bitch and moan like crazy when Microsoft foregoes the 360 and ports everything to PC, then get pissed when they want to actually keep a game only for 360 to increase the system's viability.
There'd be no damn point to own a 360 if we went by your logic.
When has this ever happened?
Where the hell did you pull that little nugget of bullshit from? Give me one example of people complaining about Microsoft porting 360 games over to PC.
Really, no point to own a 360? There's always going to be people that don't want to shell out for a gaming PC. Are you seriously implying that giving gamers MORE options about how to play the game is a bad thing?
Seriously, maybe you should just call what you're doing a troll post and save some face.
shinobi602
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Are you serious?? Too many for me to remember.
Really, there are no benefits of owning a console compared to a PC? Things like cost, ease of use, no technical issues or debugging system problems, or a standardized control system, or better suited for using in front of the living room TV cause KB/Mouse can be a bit uncomfortable on your lap?
shinobi602
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Bullshit, I've seen on numerous occasions (on IGN, Gamespot, N4G, lolfaqs, etc) by gamers who felt their purchase of their 360 was devalued because of the lack of exclusives that justified that purchase to them. The only reason I keep both a 360 and PS3 is for their respective exclusives.
IHaveCandy
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To be fair, PS3 + PC is a far better and more reasonable combination than 360 + PC. There's a lot more library overlap on 360 and PC, especially when you look at the games that were touted as 360 exclusives that were also on PC. So maybe his point is that true 360 exclusives are necessary for MS to get people to not preferring the PS3 + PC path.
shinobi602
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I'm talking from a game library perspective. All those features you mentioned factor into it if you take the whole picture into account.
Then those gamers are whiny, petulant children. Seriously, they can't enjoy the game because they know too many other people are able to play it?
What the fuck am I reading
Coldfoot provided plenty of reasons as to why someone could justify gaming on a 360 over a PC.
And my point is a PC port of the game would allow it to look as good as it possibly could. That's just fact. If you want to play Halo 4 and have it look like those original shots 343i released, it would have to be on a PC.
Yup 360 and PC does over lap a lot.
Still its worth it imo their are enough games to justify its purchase
Uno Venova
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It's a pretty common opinion yes.
shinobi602
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If I have a gaming PC, and before the 360 launched MS touted that the Gears franchise, Halo franchise, Alan Wake, Lost Odyssey, Forza, etc were all only going to be on the 360, I'd pay $400 at launch for a 360 for those games.
Next thing I see they're porting all of them to PC, I'd be pretty fucking pissed I shelled out 400 bones.
Dunno who said that...I'm a PC gamer and I'd love to play the game at a Vsync'd 60 FPS with non blurring AA and M/KB controls. That would be fantastic.
Why? That's the price you pay for being impatient / an early adopter. By your logic, Microsoft should never have released the 360 Elite because it would make early 360 adopters regret their purchase.
Profits overtake fanboy opinions, and a PC port would not detract anything from the 360 in terms of sales, compared to the amount of revenue it'll bring through PC sales and pushing Windows 8 for Microsoft. There are people who won't play Halo on a 360, they either prefer PC's superiority in tech and controls or refuse to buy a platform where online play is not free.
IHaveCandy
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Well there is plenty of reason to own a 360. But if your time and money is limited and you are only going to pair your PC with one console, I think the PS3 is the clear choice if you assume you like the titles on both platforms equally.
Compare Halo 2 on PC with Halo 2 running with the Xbox 360 upgrades and tell me the 360 is even in the same ball park.
Uno Venova
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Profits overtake anything for the companies yes.
Have you gow 1 and gow 2 on PS3 ?
Halo Aniversary on 360 ?
ICO/SoTC on PS3 ?
Okami HD ?
They are fantastic
Halo 2 never got a remake which it will get soon.
I doubt many people are buying 360's for Halo 4, if they haven't bought a 360 for all the previous Halo games already. Plus, it can be used to drive sales for Windows 8 and to get gamers to upgrade, like they did with Vista. Unlike Vista, Windows 8 is not shit, so people will actually like it. Then there are some people, like me, will never own a console where you have to keep paying forever to unblock your internet connection to 99.99% of the IP addresses on the internet. It can have ANY game as exclusive, still not gonna happen. In fact, the XBL paywall is only ensuring that I will never join the MS ecosystem with Windows 8/Phone 8/Tablets etc, despite the fact that they don't have a paywall like XBL.
shinobi602
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Huh? All 360s play the exact same games. That analogy doesn't work. Exclusives are one the main selling points of consoles that the manufacturers gloat about it. You can't expect gamers not to be pissed when they purchase their consoles for that reason when they had a good gaming PC before and didn't need to.
It would be on Microsoft for proclaiming something will only be exclusive to their system, and then completely lie about it. It'd be the gamer's fault for taking them at their word?
It didnt help windows Vista
and those who buy a 360 this late this gen will mainly buy it to play Halo.
Software is the reason which keep 7 year old hardwares to sell
How does the analogy not work? Halo 4 on PC would at its core be the same game as the 360 version, it would just have better graphics.
Just like the 360 Elite plays the same games as Vanilla 360s, but with less chance of overheating / RRoD, larger HDD, etc. Fact is MS upgraded the Xbox 360, but when the 360 launched, MS didn't say it would be made obsolete that quickly...
And as far as I know, Microsoft will still label 360 games as "Exclusive" if they only have PC ports.
Piracy on 360 is not as big as PC. Also the amount of modding and no live drive away most.
Nothing could help Vista, plus unlike back then, a PC to run Halo to 360 quality would not require a huge GPU.
Most people who buy a 360 this late buy it to play $5 games (that are still fantastic) from the used bin.
shinobi602
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Do you own a console?
people who wanted to play at better resolution and framerate got to played it
higherARC05
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Watching those particles interact with the normal mapping on the floor is a beautiful thing to see. Those creases on the floor aren't geometry, they're normal maps if you're wondering.
PS3 and 360. And I have a mid-range gaming PC. Why?
IHaveCandy
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People who oppose console exclusives on PC are just suffering from the sunken-costs dilemma.
shinobi602
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What do you have a PS3 for?