TheStruggler
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they put other developers to shame not just with remasters, this is the new pedestal and what I expect from future developers
Digital Foundry vs Metro Redux
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they put other developers to shame not just with remasters, this is the new pedestal and what I expect from future developers
Neuromancer
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Well they did recently set up a new office in Malta. I don't know know if the whole team is going to move, though.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/13/5712992/metro-4a-games-malta-deep-silver
Edit: beaten like a nosilis
Final Verdict
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Nope, rock solid 60fps is better than 1080p with dips.
the_batman
Banned
good thing ps4 delivers on both ends.
cheezcake
Member
Man its almost like he was talking about the XB1 or something
MrCunningham
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Bit off topic from the console ports, but I love that they are supporting Linux with this one.
Cthulhu_Steev
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TR on PS4 drops frames from 60fps loads of the time, open areas especially, and the shanty town was awful in places, nowhere near as bad as PS3 though. I'll take that performance though, because it's mostly fantastic looking and feeling.
Edit: Were we talking about TLoU? Sorry, that has minimal frame drops from 60. I'm happy calling that one solid 60.
Riky
$MSFT
Forza 5.
Very off topic but interesting:
Not sure how many schools is getting this but last I read about it both Polish and Estonian schools have started teaching their first graders how to code.
Some schools have given out Rasberry pi's to their school kids and they are using that to code and present their daily work.
I'm really looking forward to the future...as an old man yelling at kids because they are way above me in tech and I feel left behind
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Not exactly a graphical showpiece. I think Resogun is the only other game I am certain is locked at 1080p/60fps though.
Riky
$MSFT
He didn't ask for a graphical showpiece .
If by "pretty well" you mean it was 1080p with PERFECT 60fps on PS4... yes, it did pretty well.
Summer Haze
Banned
I noticed dips in Forza 5 when I kicked up sand/dirt after taking a corner poorly and ending up off the track.
Just sayin'....
It's 60fps 99.9% of the time, though.
Riky
$MSFT
According to DF it is a rock solid 60fps.
Blops 2 on PS360, MGS Ground Zeroes, Forza 3-4, Fight Night Round 4 on PS360....there are quite a few of them.
Summer Haze
Banned
Oh yeah, it is....on the track. I'm pretty sure the DF test didn't include them driving off-track, but I can assure you, as someone who played and enjoyed the game, it has dips when you kick up dirt/sand. Which is pretty understandable.
paradise_circus
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Project gotham racing 2/3/4 and mgs 3/4 went back to 30fps.
I know for sure Blops 2 and MGS Ground Zeroes have drops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doMx1UEKEzU
Ground Zeroes is pretty much solid until you call in the chopper, stand under it and look directly up.
I haven't played or looked and any analysis footage of the other games so I can't say.
I was talking about Blops 2 MP if I thought Blops SP was solid 60FPS then I'd consider all the games that target 60FPS to be solid 60FPS lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIY7zCssueY
I'm pretty sure you can break any game if you wanted, Ground Zeroes? How about if I put 20 explosives in one place and have the explosion completely cover the screen? It will drop frame enormously for a second for sure. I think if a game runs 60FPS majority of the time and drops a frame or two or has maybe a handful of major drop for a split second in the entire game...then I'd still classify that game as solid 60FPS (TLoU for example)
The thing is locked 60FPS is just a game being able to run at an FPS higher than 60 but is capped at 60. It's funny how some people believe you can actually "lock" it so that it doesn't go lower than 60 even when there's heavy computational requirements.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I think if a game is running 60fps 90% of the time or more I'd consider it a 60fps title.
The guy you were replying to was asking if there were any games that don't drop and I don't think there is. You can always find one part or do one thing that can bring performance down.
Dictator93
Member
Curious to see if all these lights in metro 2033 remain volumetrics or if they will be cut out/ down sized / or appear with reduced sampling in Redux (On PC or console).
Metro Last light of course looked amazing, but had barely any volumetric lights in comparison to the first game. Which had them everywhere.
Green Yoshi
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Kiew gets back to normality these days, but sure Malta is a better place.
It would be a bit of a kick to the nuts if the performance optimisations included cutting back visual effects. Just as well the Redux versions are separate games on Steam.
Ulysses 31
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Wonder how the 2033 Redux will stack up tot the old PC version with max settings.
These don't cost all that much, the reason why 2033 had issues when using them was because they were full resolution and would take up a lot of bandwidth. Games like Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us generously used those kind of volumetric lights on PS3 and looked great (of course they weren't as high resolution as 2033), and obviously TLoU Remaster has them as well at 60FPS.
EDIT: Even Alan Wake used them generously, and there was a time when the game was 720P 2*MSAA on 360 and it was using volumetric lights back then too. Then they made changes to the engine and ended up with 540P 4*MSAA.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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That's cool!!Very off topic but interesting:
Not sure how many schools is getting this but last I read about it both Polish and Estonian schools have started teaching their first graders how to code.
Some schools have given out Rasberry pi's to their school kids and they are using that to code and present their daily work.
I'm really looking forward to the future...as an old man yelling at kids because they are way above me in tech and I feel left behind
Steve McQueen
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YGZ?
Bought. Can't go wrong with YGZ. Since Amazon.co.uk is charging shipping costs I'm buying most of my games at YGZ. When you leave a review on budgetgaming.nl after having received the game, you'll get another 5% discount for your next game, which is quite nice.
Dictator93
Member
Time to go into defensive mode.Framerates as low as 31 FPS? What kind of PC gamer are you?
4XMSAA with all the framerate klilling options on kinda does that (Advanced depth of field). Without it, it is a much higher framerate actually. lol I am not sure what kinda monster rig you must have to get a flat 60 fps that scene with advanced depth of field on on top of MSAA. So many volumetric effects going off on top of the 30% that the advanced depth of field adds.
Also... taking a screenshot reduces your framerate quite a bit with a hitch
Yeah I want Redux to use full resolution volumetric lighting on PC. I mean... cutting them out or using console level half or quarter res stuff just does not cut it in my book.
Furthermore, hope that the game does not have horrible SLI scaling problems like Last light had. The first game scales linearly with GPUs up to quad SLI even. Metro last light has the exact same framerate basically if you use 2 or 3 and has really poor GPU utilization even in 2 way SLI.
My guess is with reduced sampling on that kind of thing (along with other sorts of cutbacks), contributing to why it seems to run so well.
LittleJohnny
Banned
But it sounds like it has been upgraded where it counts:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=870668
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Do they have any new game in the works???
According to Digital Foundry, it sounds like at least tessellation is gimped for next-gen versions:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-metro-redux
"Some of the high-end options found on PC don't make their way across to the Redux - if tessellation is utilised, it's to nowhere near the same degree as the PC version for example..."
They were running 3 projects, the Redux, an all-new entry in the Metro series and some kind of space-shooter that we know virtually nothing about.
Yep, they are working on (I belied) future Metro titles and a new IP. Will check for source in a second.
Here we go, from Polygon:
http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/13/5712992/metro-4a-games-malta-deep-silver
LittleJohnny
Banned
Like I said, sounds like they upgraded where it counts. Do I want to trade all those added upgrades for mere tessellation? no thanks.
CitizenCope
Member
This game any good? I've never seen a friend playing this while I was online. Sleeper hit?
Well, it's not out yet. August 26th in the US.
cheezcake
Member
I thought they were both great, solid 8/10s. At this price they should be a no-brainer for newcomers to the series.
CitizenCope
Member
Great point! How about the original?
Don't know about 4A specifically - but just because a studio is in Ukraine it doesn't mean people are badly paid - in fact it's not unheard of for an equivalent job to end up with a bigger take-home in Ukraine over most EU countries due to tax differences.HomerSimpson-Man said:
Of course - by US-CA standards - the entire rest-of-the-world game industry is drastically under-paid (with exception of maybe Singapore... as long as you're an expat).
The Last Wizard
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This kid reminds me of regular sized Rudy lol921p?
SoldierIce64
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Really excited for this collection. I enjoyed Last Light on PS3 (2033 was nearly unplayable on my computer) so it'll be exciting to play through 2033 for the first time and also Last Light with enhanced graphics. Hopefully this sells well enough so they can focus on making a third game or a new IP.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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That's exciting can't wait to see what these guys have to show!
Sword Of Doom
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Freeing up the kinect allocation only brings it back to the original gap. I guess MS talking points have made people think it's gonna close the gap
HocusPocus
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Sounds like my opinion has gone from a maybe rental on this one, to a probably rental. Thanks for the extra 12 P's.