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Is it weird that I am not impressed at all.
Digital Foundry vs. Unreal Engine 4 - Video, screenshots and analysis [eurogamer]
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Pingoreous
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Am more impress with engines like GTA4 and Assassins creed's huge and populated worlds. Also Battlefield's destruction is fun too. I want more populated worlds with weather systems and better A.I.. Unreal games are based on small rooms with 5 to 10 bad guys. It's Meh. A lot of custom engines like the new Assassins creed 3s engine is where i want next gen to go. The addition of weather has me exited.
Chittagong
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Bokeh, particles and lighting look stunning. Is there a reason why the geometry and textures&shaders look so shit though, everything looks really rough, like the hammer and door? I recall the Samaritan demo having really good models and textures.
You dont need super high res textures when you're demonstrating lighting and particles.
This is a pure tech demo, not a possible new game preview.
TyrantGuardian
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Some of the posts in this thread man...
Do you guys know what a tech demo is? Why are people even mentioning the assets and the texture resolution? You do realize that what appears as "styrofoam rocks" is down to a couple if settings in the physics engine, not a deficiency with the engine itself? Come on, Gaf.
Hopefully we'll be seeing some human characters soon enough. Devs seemingly had some issues making those look good in UE3. Anyone know why that was? I'm not well versed in UE3.
Do you guys know what a tech demo is? Why are people even mentioning the assets and the texture resolution? You do realize that what appears as "styrofoam rocks" is down to a couple if settings in the physics engine, not a deficiency with the engine itself? Come on, Gaf.
Hopefully we'll be seeing some human characters soon enough. Devs seemingly had some issues making those look good in UE3. Anyone know why that was? I'm not well versed in UE3.
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ITT Gaf shows they do not understand the purpose of a technology demonstration.
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Spat_triate
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Just curious. Does anyone know if squenix plans to use the engine for more than just final fantasy? Would love to see a new game or genre made with it.
The UE4 demo looked great. I didn't care much for the indoor parts, but the transition to the snowy mountains was stunning.
The UE4 demo looked great. I didn't care much for the indoor parts, but the transition to the snowy mountains was stunning.
Lazy Jones
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Ofcourse, they said they are thinking of several projects already.
ScepticMatt
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lightning is very nice ... it's a pitty the dof-effect and textures are rather bad.
engine is designed to able to be modified so that more than just RPGs could be played on it. It's gonna be the go-to engine for all internal SE studios, including Eidos, Crystal Dynamics and I/O along with Square Japan.
gollumsluvslave
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As a developer, the new editor demo vid was FAR more impressive to me.
Really impressive debugging tools
Really impressive debugging tools
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Don't IO and CD have their own toolsets? Is Square really gonna pull an EA and just shove the engine on every teams throat like EA is doing with Frostbyte?
Epic kept saying that the UE4 demo would blow our socks off compared to their UE3.5 "Samaritan" demo. And tbh, I was much more impressed by the Samaritan demo.
I agree with this.
As a whole, it doesn't measure up to Agni's Philosophy in terms of visuals. I realize it's just a tech demo, but considering the buzz about it before it was shown I expected a more complete package.
They explicitly said that they are not doing that.
It's surprising to me that a lot of people on GAF is pretty ignorent when it comes to the technical side of games. It's easely one of the most impressive real time tech demo's I've ever seen and it gives me hope for next gen.
The fact that its running on a single card that is available on the marked for purchase at itself is impressive.
Sure it isn't very aesthetically pleasing. Wind Waker looks better aesthetically. But from a technical standpoint its looking very good. And I can't wait to see what a developer with great art direction could do with this tech.
I also wonder that if even people on GAF aren't impressed by this then what will the general public think of this? Yesterday I talked to people and I couldn't get them to understand that Watch Dogs and Star Wars 1313 wont look like that on their PS3 or 360. And I'm sure that if the quality went down and that the games are ported to those consoles that the vast majority wouldn't even notice that it looks worse.
This is also the reason imo why there are so many people out there who think Uncharted looks better then The Witcher 2 on PC and are oblivious to the amount of power needed for the little things they don't even notice.
The fact that its running on a single card that is available on the marked for purchase at itself is impressive.
Sure it isn't very aesthetically pleasing. Wind Waker looks better aesthetically. But from a technical standpoint its looking very good. And I can't wait to see what a developer with great art direction could do with this tech.
I also wonder that if even people on GAF aren't impressed by this then what will the general public think of this? Yesterday I talked to people and I couldn't get them to understand that Watch Dogs and Star Wars 1313 wont look like that on their PS3 or 360. And I'm sure that if the quality went down and that the games are ported to those consoles that the vast majority wouldn't even notice that it looks worse.
This is also the reason imo why there are so many people out there who think Uncharted looks better then The Witcher 2 on PC and are oblivious to the amount of power needed for the little things they don't even notice.
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And Squeenix continues down the path of flawless decision making with it's Eidos acquisition.
I think that's unfair to the Witcher 2. Unlike this tech demo, W2 has fantastic, consistent assets and art.
In this demo, Epic shows they do not understand what GTTV is and who watches it.
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Yeah, that comparison has more to do with a fanboy-factor.
Sure. But at that point we are talking about taste in aesthetics and no longer about all the reasons why its more impressive technically. Which is exactly what people are having a harder time separating these days because they are oblivious to the tech making it all possible. I'm sure PC gamers are more informed about things like these because they have more input on the looks of their game through settings and notice the little things that impact their framerate. Which has given them a more trained eye for these things over the years.
I didn't see this kind of ignorance when I used to frequent the PC General Boards on IGN some years ago. ( Not aimed towards you btw I'm just talking generally )
nelsonroyale
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Yeah, this tech demo is obviously meant to demonstrate certain things (lighting and particles), because texturing etc is not particularly impressive
They actually are doing it. But this isn't an EA situation where DICE developed the engine and everyone else was forced to use it. Instead its a special studio built from ground up by SE to develop the engine based on the feedback from all of SE's teams. The goal is to have an engine basis that each team can take and modify for their games. I mean look at the credits from Agnis' Philosophy and you'll see a couple of Crystal Dynamics people mentioned.
http://international.download.nvidi...l/videos/UnrealEngine4FeaturesWalkthrough.mov
features walkthrough at 3.2gb, 10 minutes.
Demo seems fairly impressive, lets hope the animations are all on par
features walkthrough at 3.2gb, 10 minutes.
Demo seems fairly impressive, lets hope the animations are all on par
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Demo seems fairly impressive, lets hope the animations are all on par
That comes down to a dev by dev basis.
The Janitor
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Looks like it's using FXAA, I hate how that looks in motion. Couldn't they atleast use MSAA
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They do support MSAA in DX11 now.
Black_Stride
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Hahahaha, surely u jest, what the fuck is a standard human being going to do with 16GBs of ram?
I think even 8GB is excessive.
Ive only ever managed to break 6Gb when i had a High Poly model open in 3DS while rendering another High Poly in Octane.
With 7 or 8 tabs open in Chrome then and only then did i feel my 8GB ram was worth it.
Im eerily unimpressed by this shot, nothing in it looks particularly amazing....however in motion i cant help but be impressed.check the amazing high resolution screenshots
http://images.eurogamer.net/2012/articles//a/1/4/9/1/0/9/2/UE4_Elemental_Cine_screen_00014.jpg.jpg
What res do you suppose the textures were at 2K, 4K?
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Only 1 none-DICE studio has ever used FrostBite, and that was Black Box.
Indeed the number will grow to 3 with Warfighter and Generals 2.
But thats far far far from every team when you consider they have some 30 teams.
And this is why people probably aren't at 16 GB en masse, even among new buyers. I'll go to that someday perhaps, especially if we start seeing 64-bit games that use up that much ram crop up, but there's really not much need for more than 4 for gaming alone, or high above 8 if you're not going to do serious graphical work or whatever that demands absurd amounts of ram.
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Criterion used 1.5 for Hot Pursuit and 2.0 for Most Wanted and Visceral's next project uses it as well (Army of Two sequel).
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
What the heck? Was what he said not true?Ignoring your childish response, Most Wanted [2012]
Edit: Corrected.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The old Most Wanted used EAGL.
Im pretty sure Chameleon(HP and nuMW) was said to be brand new, or a modified version of Criterions own Renderware engine.(my memory fails me)
Im pretty sure theres an interview where they talk about their engine, giving no praise to DICEs FrostBite.
If they had modified it they would have given some indication.
Nonetheless this is very off topic so it doesnt really matter.
P.S Ive edited my post, mistaking Chameleon for FrostBite doesnt warrant seppuku.
Horse Armour
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hahaha, go kill yourself.
I just reported you to a mod you cretin! Have fun in banmenistan!
Edit: Stumpokapow is in for the kill! That was surprisingly fun, maybe I should start snitching full time.
These are the specs they used when 285 GTX was the most powerful single GPU card.
http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/UE3MinSpecs.html
legacyzero
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EDIT: wrong thread....
Yeah, sorry, my Google-Fu failed me somewhat -- the 2012 variant uses Chameleon, a la Hot Pursuit.
Yeah I'm not sure how much we're allowed to talk about this but the most impressive aspects of the live UE4 presentation had nothing to do with it's rendering capabilities.
I just checked Wulfens texture pack for Doom 3 and those textures look "next gen" for me.
Apocryphon
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He did say the average person.
4gb ram is the standard that modern pcs and laptops ship with. Not high end gaming kit or hardware enthusiasts, but the average consumer buying an average computer. I think a lot of people who play modern pc games more than likely have 6gb or maybe 8gb ram at a push. I don't. I have 32gb. I don't use 32gb, but I regularly use up to 16gb and sometimes more depending. At any given time i might have Photoshop, Flash CS5, 3DS Max, nDo2, Marmoset Toolbag, Unreal Editor and a web browser open, all while watching a film or tv show. The only way I would use more than about 20gb would be to also be running virtual machines at the same time.
Epic recommend 8gb for UE3 development, but I know tonnes of people who work very comfortably with just 4gb. I have no clue how they could utilise 24gb just running Unreal Editor. They have to be running other program's alongside it.
From last 2 quotes of my post (I added that part later though), it's not just the editor, they often need to run 1-2 copies of the games too. Also using it instead of swapping data to disk.
You can work with 4 gigs nicely (I have 4gb in my pc), but just building lights on Night and Day map drains whole of my ram. Only thing still keeping me on 4 is that I'll have to do a whole pc upgrade since it's DDR2.
You can work with 4 gigs nicely (I have 4gb in my pc), but just building lights on Night and Day map drains whole of my ram. Only thing still keeping me on 4 is that I'll have to do a whole pc upgrade since it's DDR2.
SeanNoonan
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Aye, but for example, just imagine what DICE would do with it for Mirror's Edge 2...
It's the same every time - Epic don't really wow with their sample art, they provide the tools to allow others to be creative.
(And yes, I am aware a sequel to Mirrors Edge would likely use the new Frostbite engine).
Truer words have not been spoken. Agnis Philosophy is far less advanced than this demonstration yet GAF believes it is technologically superior.
This demonstration was not made for the mainstream gamer to ooh and aah at. It was made specifically for programmers, engine designers, and developer's who know what the hell these features are.