CPU on Scorpio is customized and different from Pro. It seems Digital Foundry will release more info from MS soon. It's really a customized cpu unlike previous consoles
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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CPU on Scorpio is customized and different from Pro. It seems Digital Foundry will release more info from MS soon. It's really a customized cpu unlike previous consoles
geordiemp
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The GRASS WARS: PART DEUX will start with Red Dead Redemption 2 as lines drawn in the sand between Xbox One Scorpio and PS4 Pro face off against PC. Which version will have more bushes, will there be a dicernible difference? Tune in to find out more.
Nail on the head, onec past 1080p on my 4K Its nice, and nice grass / vistas and the like...But 60 FPS gaming is a long way off on open world big AAA games for console. Cries...
Nah, its a fucking Jaguar, when the die shots come in, Scorpio and Ps4pro CPU will look exacly the same, Scorpio will have 4 more GPU blocks and a fancy cooler.....but hey, believe what you want, dat special sauce.
Bookmark this and come back and talk to me when die shots come out....we can have a laugh about it....
Chill Penguin
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Yea this machine is vastly superior to a PS4 pro all things considered. As a console gamer this is going to be my multiplat machine. RDR2 on this thing is going to be glorious.
Yeah it's quite the jump in power from Pro.
dude gaf is not a hive mind
The Jags we had were already customized.
Last_colossi
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I think he was talking about the CPU difference between the Scorpio and the Pro.
Let alone it helps Microsoft sell additional copies of said games too. All parties win!
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
Do they make Xbox-like controllers with symmetrical sticks? I can't stand the asymmetrical design and unfortunately that's the only way I'd consider buying this, I think.
PHOENIXZERO
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The Pro's near 4K to the Scorpio's nearer 4K but again with a lower baseline with the One it'll have an easier time getting close to or hitting that while maybe implementing a few extra improvements. The Pro would've needed a 7TF GPU to get close to full on doing the same across the board.
Yeah but it's still going to be running most games at 30FPS at that 4K and they'll be designed around it, the higher clock and whatever else they did with the CPU will probably lead to at the very least, slightly less being held back by it. It's primary purpose is going to be running XBox One quality games at 4K or near it, it doesn't take that much better of a CPU to do.
Yeah but it's still going to be running most games at 30FPS at that 4K and they'll be designed around it, the higher clock and whatever else they did with the CPU will probably lead to at the very least, slightly less being held back by it. It's primary purpose is going to be running XBox One quality games at 4K or near it, it doesn't take that much better of a CPU to do.
I don't know that price point was the reason for their hardware choices for the most part. Switching CPU was a non-starter from the get go. As far as pricing, I don't know that it will come in at $499, but $399 doesn't seem particularly realistic. I might find that more believable if they had gone with the 8GB of RAM over 12.
It's the choice between the configurability and flexibility of a PC compared to the streamlined/optimized (restricted) environment offered on a set-top-box. Presumably, the total buy-in price may be favorable for whatever they call Scorpio, but value-shopping for games is easier on PC. On PC, you have most of the backlog of games made, and here, you're getting improved XB1 and Xbox 360 games.
It may be close, but we are no longer talking about 720p-900p vs 1080p with higher quality effects. Where talking native 4k vs check oats 4k. Maybe higher quality shadows vs ultra quality shadows. So while power maybe more, it not like the pro can't do basically a high quality version of everything the scropio can do.
The Mass effect comparisons with pro vs nvidia 1080 at 4k are good example of what to expect. It's going to be hard to see a difference.
I agree with the content issue, and I suspect that will be addressed at E3.
I'm not sure if the news is ultimately unsurprising/unexciting when I see the anticipation before today and the internet traffic at DF and neogaf. Seeing more concrete info is so much better than just hearing the announcement with a teaser.
killatopak
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on resolution scaling it does.
Calm waterfall
Banned
Seems very cleverly built.
I think the most impressive aspects to them were the custom silicon and game optimizations. They expected MS to just overclock the Jaguar CPU (which is what Sony did), but instead they built a lot more silicon around the CPU to help offload processes and give it more room to breathe. The CPU and GPU also run considerably faster than what we've traditionally seen in consoles, whereas their expectations were slower clocks and more compute units.
So it's more powerful than what they expected. Not necessarily more powerful than what every individual expected.
Obliterator
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Oh ok, that's more understandable then. I was totally lost for a second.
wumster3000
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Calculate everything. Speed too, not just the amount.
AngelOFDeath
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DerZuhälter;233470868 said:
The fight continues!
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
Because it's one less reason to own an Xbox. I agree with you, but if I had a decent PC then I wouldn't need to own an Xbox, and in a console-reveal(ish) thread it's a pretty major talking point.
This I don't understand. If there aren't any games on Xbox that I can't get on PC or PS4, why would I buy one?
Nah, it's just a nicer way of saying they have no interest in the new Xbox. Personally I'm just happy that I get to play the games without having to buy another console. MS still gets my money, I doubt they give a fuck.
LukasTaves
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It's that going by the specs, plus a tons of clever design that makes it deliver even greater performance, so the delta should be larger.
As a reference, only a 1080 could deliver the performance Ms showed on Forza 6 Apex (though a 1070 comes close but with a few drops), and the demo Ms showed was a stress test with higher settings than avaiable at Forza 6 Apex.
It's another 360, clever architecture to deliver on what would take a high end Pc to match.
Agreed. Some pretty nice specs and upgrade over the original xbone. Wasn't expecting zen but thought most ppl we're expecting Vega. I don't see this being above the £399 sweet spot.
Of course they do. I simply find it amusing to see an even bigger difference being downplayed by some folks as insignificant and am merely pointing that out.
Darklor01
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Well... maybe maybe not. I think the increased clocks, RAM, ..etc., if combined with a MB that has really good throughput on the board itself along with proper cooling could get what you're looking for depending on title/optimization as well as in game preference options being available such as performance vs. graphics in some way as they have with SOME of the PS4 Pro enabled titles on the other system.
We'll have to see what they do with it. It seems they went with an optimization path based on games that exist and using parts that have existed long enough to know what to get out of them. If they work with Devs closely enough, it should surprise some people.
Not at all. It's higher than the gap between XBO and PS4 though.
Hahahaha that sad sad exclusive mentality.
ToysAndMoreClub
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Best hardware doesn't always provide the best version, but the capabilities are certainly there for Xbox Scorpio to do so.
Five years from now there will be a new Xbox console, so why use this one as an example? This is the last Xbox console from the "Xbox One" generation. Five years from now they will be on a new console cycle.
Last_colossi
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ChanDangle
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Good points, thanks again.
Yeah, that did but they have also made a lot of changes since then to try to win consumers back. I have no idea how much this thing will sell for, but I would not necessarily look to how microsoft acted early this gen and try to extrapolate how they will act now from that.
demigod
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DF hyping this machine to be $499, that way MS can unveil it at E3 for a cheaper price at $399, duh. I'll take a year ban bet with anyone that this thing won't be $499.
Why the fuck do you want exclusives? Exclusives are bad.
Sorry, this is nonsense. GAF leaned 360 and now it leans PS4. And that reflects the world outside of GAF. It isn't because of fanboys but due to Sony screwing up last gen and Microsoft screwing up this gen.
That's not how math works. Scorpio has 50% more Ram. If you want to say 33%, then it's that the PS4 Pro has 33% less ram.
Salty Rice
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Yep. Especially this far in the generation.
Most people have their console already and for a turn its gonna be a pricy thing.
I think MS knows that they dont turn the tide with this and its more of a keep up and showing they actually wanna stay in business for the next years.
It's a 50% increase. This isn't difficult.
I have no problem switching from the DS4 to the X1 controller. I actually find the ergonomics of the X1 controller more comfortable, but there's no difficulty using both within minutes of each other.
It's a stupid thing to base a console purchase on unless you have a physical disability that would improve your chance to play games. If you're just being anal about it, buy an adapter.
In the article, they state around the customisations around the core blocks and then say "this is without the fixed hardware for DX12". I'd argue that is, an actually customised CPU, rather than just a few tiny things and call it customised, but we'll wait and see.
I'd quote but blocked DF here.
Good grief, there's so much over-emphasizing AND under-emphasizing what scorpio will be.
It's going to be a powerful machine, but can we not do the whole "mine is bigger" vs "no mine is bigger!" all the time?
Congrats to the xbox dudes that are looking forward to this. I'm excited for you guys, and I'm happy with my pro. Game onnn
It's going to be a powerful machine, but can we not do the whole "mine is bigger" vs "no mine is bigger!" all the time?
Congrats to the xbox dudes that are looking forward to this. I'm excited for you guys, and I'm happy with my pro. Game onnn
GhostTrick
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Citation needed.
Cause a RX 480 was definitely able to run Forza 6 Apex at 4k/60fps.