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[saintjules]

All platforms must stood together and buy these stores so they find deals based on their geographic locations. The point is moving our asses so they reward us for doing that.

They must stood together?

 

[10101]

The idea is to get rid of the crappy optical drive, Sony will have a portable PS5 next gen so it's either this or full digital

So in order to facilitate a potential portable device, which is most likely doomed to fail we have to forego backwards compatibility on the disk collections we already have?

If you think the drive is crappy, cool - go full digital. No one is making you buy or use it. But your idea is terrible and will piss off more users than it will please, whilst also driving the physical price up for everyone through the use of cartridges.

The portable device will hopefully be complimentary to the PS6, not leading design decisions that will affect the main unit. Also, it's not exactly working out for Nintendo as the thread (which you were in) about poor sales of these carts has shown. So no, it's not a good plan at all.

 

[Sakura]

Key cards are just like digital: YOU OWN NOTHING
Key cards are actually worst: you need a physical item + an online account and they will expire whenever the manufacturer decides to cut off old servers making game preservation a chore.

You don't actually need an online account for a key card. They aren't tied to accounts which is why you can resell them.
Though how long the servers will be up for is indeed an issue.

 

[Gambit2483]

This thread is FULL....of horrible ideas

 

[SuperC]

So in order to facilitate a potential portable device, which is most likely doomed to fail we have to forego backwards compatibility on the disk collections we already have?

If you think the drive is crappy, cool - go full digital. No one is making you buy or use it. But your idea is terrible and will piss off more users than it will please, whilst also driving the physical price up for everyone through the use of cartridges.

The portable device will hopefully be complimentary to the PS6, not leading design decisions that will affect the main unit. Also, it's not exactly working out for Nintendo as the thread (which you were in) about poor sales of these carts has shown. So no, it's not a good plan at all.

How the fuck can a 1GB cartrige drive up the prices?

"Better"
"Alternative"

no, gimme a way of accessing the game without the internet. Why? 'case sometimes shit happens.

You do realize that we already have games that use the disc as a game key like COD, right?
On top of that the PS6 will likely be sold without a disc drive in one SKU meaning you'd have to buy the drive separately as an accessory,
This means the end of physical games
My idea is much better for a simple reason: all consoles would include cartridge readers at no extra cost

 

[Buggy Loop]

Physical ---- Digital

The in-between

Physical -- Key card -- Digital

Its basically middle ground. Digital you cannot exchange it, sell it to someone else or even share it. It's a good in-between solution as of now

But digital concept should be looked at entirely from its foundation. Blockchains now that make handshake of millions of transactions every minutes could easily tackle digital ownership. Why there's no uproar over this is mind boggling to be honest. You could sell the game digitally. Ownership transfer, simple as that. Give the blockchain to gamestop even for resell. Timed ownerships for even a return of rentals. Share it with a friend while retaining ownership. You know, all things we could do with physical.

 

[SuperC]

This is so wrong. Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't spread lies.

Most ps5 games have the full data on the disc. The disc install the data files to the console. Remember how pc games used to do it? It's the same thing.

Nope, several Arab PS5 users confirmed this to me, the only way to prevent it is to disconnect the console from the internet before installing the disc

 

[BlackTron]

He's a fool until you realize that Sony is making a portable. Instead of game key discs they can have game key cards!

Imagine if the game was actually on the card and it was high speed enough to run directly off it in a console hot swapping them like Genesis carts, only they're PS6 games.

 

[tr1p1ex]

>95% of the total gaming market is digital now.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Nope, several Arab PS5 users confirmed this to me, the only way to prevent it is to disconnect the console from the internet before installing the disc

I think you are confusing the Day 1 patch. It will install and then download the Day 1 patch (and install that).

From a practicality standpoint though, yes people are going to want the Day 1 patch in order to play it.

 

[PlayStaytion]

They must stood together?

Yeah. there's no such thing as Xbox, Nintendo, PlayStation or Steam store only cause it's unfair. It's for the consumers in the end.

 

[Katatonic]

Digital licenses should be resellable. They'll exhaust every other option before doing that though.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Fuck that. Make everything require substitutions!

 

[awwr999999]

>95% of the total gaming market is digital now.

The problem is that box art and game manuals will die off and make gaming as a whole less interesting.
Adding the benefits of physical to the permanence of digital libraries is where consoles can be better than Steam and PC.
E.g., 2hr return policy on PSN purchases but when you like a game you can tick a box and get a physical game shipped to you for a small fee.
$10-20 for a PS2-level (manual, map, etc.) boxed BD disc that can install the game and tell the console what game you want to play.

People could ignore the physical aspect of digitally owned games entirely or embrace it and fill their shelves with game boxes.
Forcing studios to keep box art and game manuals alive at the peak PS2 level will give consoles something that Steam and PC lack.

 

[Boss Mog]

Is this a troll post by the OP? I mean it's full of fake news and he claims that game key cards just "came to (him)".

 

[SuperC]

Is this a troll post by the OP? I mean it's full of fake news and he claims that game key cards just "came to (him)".

..

It's my own idea before the Switch 2 became a thing, I wrote about it in an Arabic forum one year ago

 

[KungFucius]

This idea came to me while thinking about the hardware costs of the next consoles and how companies could reduce those costs without going only digital just to increase profit.

As we all know, discs don't really serve much of a purpose anymore other than acting as a key to launch the game. The actual game data is installed on the hard drive or SSD, and sometimes the Blu-ray disc contains only a few megabytes while the rest has to be downloaded online.

Next-gen consoles should drop disc drives entirely and offer them as an optional accessory for players who own older physical discs. That leads to a problem though—there's still demand for physical media, and major retailers won't be happy selling consoles that cut them out of the game sales market

The solution? Cartridge-style game key cards
Not for storing the entire game, but simply as keys to unlock it. Cartridge readers are cheap, compact, and adding one to a console wouldn't increase costs much. And since these cartridges only act as keys, they wouldn't need to be large or expensive.

This way, retailers still have physical games to sell, the physical market remains alive, and consoles are freed from the burden of disc drives. Plus, cartridges are smaller, more practical, and more durable than discs, they could essentially last forever

The system needs to work like this.

• Cart can transfer the license to the account when inserted so it can act like a fully digital game
• License can be transferred back to the cart when inserted into the system
• Cart key has indicator if it has the license is on the cart - possibly physical, or requiring USB power to check
• Collectors have the box and cart and people can buy/sell/trade used games.

The problem with this customer friendly system is that it would cost a little to develop and include in a console and ultimately takes the ability of the platform owner to fuck you over with their monopolistic game store.

 

[Von Hugh]

Are you satan?

 

[Xion_Stellar]

- The Game Case, The Manual, and the printed Disc: Total Cost $2.50

- Blue Ray Discs have an estimated lifespan of 20-100+ years depending on how a person stores them and most of us will be dead by the time most PS4 game discs start experiencing Disc rot.

- Blue Ray Discs have a maximum capacity of 120GB with 90% of the gaming market not even being able to produce a game that fills up that disc so higher capacity discs are both unnecessary and not the limit since we can always go back to Dual Disc setups like FF7 Rebirth

Blue Ray Discs are not obsolete.

 

[duck_sauce]

The site confirms most games are completely fine without downloads. Or are you too stupid to read statistics??

Completly fine is not the same as fully patched

 

[M0G]

Digital's main benefit is not having to use a "key" to open the software. This might appeal to me if it came with a PC "big box", an actual manual and some interesting stuff like lore/art books. But it won't, so no thanks!

 

[vodka-bull]

you know what is cheaper for companies ?

Full Digital, it ll drive the costs of distribution to ZERO and they can still charge full price like as it was a physical copy.

And they could finally get rid of that annoying used game market.

 

[tr1p1ex]

The problem is that box art and game manuals will die off and make gaming as a whole less interesting.
Adding the benefits of physical to the permanence of digital libraries is where consoles can be better than Steam and PC.
E.g., 2hr return policy on PSN purchases but when you like a game you can tick a box and get a physical game shipped to you for a small fee.
$10-20 for a PS2-level (manual, map, etc.) boxed BD disc that can install the game and tell the console what game you want to play.

People could ignore the physical aspect of digitally owned games entirely or embrace it and fill their shelves with game boxes.
Forcing studios to keep box art and game manuals alive at the peak PS2 level will give consoles something that Steam and PC lack.

>95% of gaming is digital already.

I'm sure many publishers would be willing to sell (physical) box art and manuals for $$$.

 

[Ebrietas]

Physical ---- Digital

The in-between

Physical -- Key card -- Digital

Its basically middle ground. Digital you cannot exchange it, sell it to someone else or even share it. It's a good in-between solution as of now

But digital concept should be looked at entirely from its foundation. Blockchains now that make handshake of millions of transactions every minutes could easily tackle digital ownership. Why there's no uproar over this is mind boggling to be honest. You could sell the game digitally. Ownership transfer, simple as that. Give the blockchain to gamestop even for resell. Timed ownerships for even a return of rentals. Share it with a friend while retaining ownership. You know, all things we could do with physical.

The entire financial industry and economy will be tokenized on crypto rails in the near future. The idea that you can only own something if it is a physical object is an antiquated concept. Digital ownership is actually even more robust than physical ownership.

 

[ForAcademicPurposes]

Top down loaders are superior. Sony got it right the first time. Or rather, Philips.

 

[Lokaum D+]

And they could finally get rid of that annoying used game market.

Nintendo wet dreams

 

[Hector Hall]

There are already technologies to put up disc's with massive information capabilities and fast access. They should just upgrade to that, and be able to read BD, UHD and DVD as retro.