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Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention (PSV) |OT| Play for 10 Million Hours!
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I just used a GPS glitch to my advantage to get Pleinair: I updated Near last night and was informed I'd travelled 28000 miles and was in Japan (lol), then this morning it corrected itself and calculated I'd gone 37000 miles back home again. This means my Honour Quotient in Disgaea (partly based on distance travelled) is 999, giving me at least one level sphere per floor in Survival Mode (sometimes up to 4 of them!) making it rather easier than normal to get the 7 you need to unlock Pleinair.
The only difficulty was that I was also getting loads of Pirates and when you defeat their Captain (to get a couple of very nice ships) you jump ahead loads of floors, so I ended up exiting at level 30 I think.
Also, the Usagi Wand you steal from Pleinair gives something like 10,000 INT, a bunch of other good stat boosts and +2 Movement.
The only difficulty was that I was also getting loads of Pirates and when you defeat their Captain (to get a couple of very nice ships) you jump ahead loads of floors, so I ended up exiting at level 30 I think.
Also, the Usagi Wand you steal from Pleinair gives something like 10,000 INT, a bunch of other good stat boosts and +2 Movement.
Glorious Ownage
Member
I felt this way when I first started but something clicked and now I can't stop playing...ahh!
DangerousDave
Member
Finished 6-1.
The last levels have been pretty hard. I'm starting to grind, because I had to reencarnate all my non-unique characters to be able to unlock the third tier.
The best grinding place that I found is 5-2, because is very easy to take out level 1 characters from the base, make them participate in a special attack of one of the main characters, and level up without nearly effort.
I know that theorically 6-1 is better to grind, because of the +20% level geoblocks, but those ice bastards can kill any of my characters with a hit if I'm not careful.
There is any other good place to grind?
Edit: I just found it. 5-5, merging 3 level 33 zombies to get level 99 zombies (experience like 340 one) in a way that in a bridge you always have at least one 33 zombie in front, and start combining distance range skills.
The last levels have been pretty hard. I'm starting to grind, because I had to reencarnate all my non-unique characters to be able to unlock the third tier.
The best grinding place that I found is 5-2, because is very easy to take out level 1 characters from the base, make them participate in a special attack of one of the main characters, and level up without nearly effort.
I know that theorically 6-1 is better to grind, because of the +20% level geoblocks, but those ice bastards can kill any of my characters with a hit if I'm not careful.
There is any other good place to grind?
Edit: I just found it. 5-5, merging 3 level 33 zombies to get level 99 zombies (experience like 340 one) in a way that in a bridge you always have at least one 33 zombie in front, and start combining distance range skills.
Hispanicguy
Member
Ugh...finally it's maxed out. Been doing this for a few days now.
When hunting down Gency's and you end up in a mystery room with the trophy person (and he already gave you a trophy), talk to him twice and he'll give you a Gency. Not sure if people knew that.
Also, you get a trophy for going through an item world (100 levels) without exiting so you might as well try for that when going for Gency's.
Now it's time to dupe this Trap then work on getting some rank 40/41 weapons. I have my main people who I use to mow down people but I may create some new characters.
Took a break from this game to show my 3DS some love but now that I'm back into it, I (once again) can't put it down.
btw, I can't stand those X-Dimension levels. Beat 25 of them already and I don't plan on beating the rest (unless it's a trophy).
Now you can work towards getting an Anti-Matter Field! 323 Gencies!
Glorious Ownage
Member
What do you mean you had to reincarnate to unlock a third tier? What exactly does reincarnating do? How much of a boost does it give? Im on 6-1 myself. I'll try those maps for grinding. Thanks!
I generally create a 2 deep, 3 long pit, and toss in the zombies so that I have a line of 3 level-99 zombies in a row right behind my two characters.
The character in the back is the one I'm leveling up and the one in front is my thrower who needs to be able to take a few hits and not accidentally kill a zombie with a counterattack.
DangerousDave
Member
For example, you have a warrior. When you reach level 15 you unlock the second tier (fighter). To unlock the third tier (Destroyer?), you have to level up a fighter (second tier) to level 40. Then, you have 2 options. One is to create a fighter (second tier) from scratch. Another one is to reencarnate your warrior into fighter. It cost more mana, but at least you have a small stat boost and you keep the skills and habilities that you bought.
ive put 12 hours into this game and im on chapter 4 now, im enjoying this game much much more then i thought i would. Its going to be a long ride till i finish this game but uts worth it. My main 5 characters are all in the high 20s now and the special attacks to damage in the 600 ranges now which is awesome.
Just wish i understood the trophies more, there are a few i have no idea what to do.
Like for instance there is one where you throw an enemy into the portal, i would leave my highest ranked characters in there but somehow an enemy which is much weaker then most of mine still manages to kill them and close the portal... how do you do that one
Just wish i understood the trophies more, there are a few i have no idea what to do.
Like for instance there is one where you throw an enemy into the portal, i would leave my highest ranked characters in there but somehow an enemy which is much weaker then most of mine still manages to kill them and close the portal... how do you do that one
Nope, you can only capture enemies that you can actually create, otherwise you could just capture a Tier 6 one and skip the middle tiers. You can capture a high level, say, Tier 3 unit such that Tier 4 unlocks immediately assuming you can make at least up to the Tier 3 one. And that Mao's level is equal to or higher than the enemy you're trying to capture.
Cornbread78
Member
So, maybe I'm losign my mind here, but how do you send characters to the detention hall, so you can create new chracters?
Been clicking everything but I can't find out how to send them there.
Been clicking everything but I can't find out how to send them there.
DangerousDave
Member
Homeroom, Punish Them (one of the last options)
Cornbread78
Member
Hispanicguy
Member
HA! Don't think I'll be doing that any time soon, lol.
Got my rank 41 sword:
I would have gone for the 0 rarity sword but since the rest of my equipment is rarity 1, I wanted to keep the weapons the same. You get a boost if all equipment is the same rarity, right?
Here's what my Mao (strongest character for me) looks like right now:
I didn't bother leveling up the Baal Sword to 200/making it more powerful since I'll be putting the rank 41 sword on him. I did make a dupe of it though just in case.
Mao can still be more powerful than this. Eventually i'll get a brand new character and make sure I level him up better than I did Mao.
Each equipment on him has 8 19998 Gladiators on them to increase attack (except for the sword, which has 7).
I also have a set of equipment with 8 300 staticians for leveling up purposes.
As for what I'll be doing next...i'll be going for the other rank 41 weapons and duping them. Will try to unlock the rest of the classes as well as make a brand new character. There's too many to choose from! Also need to beat the post game bosses.
I'm at 100 hours of gameplay time and I feel like I still have a ton to do. God, I love this game, lol.
Glorious Ownage
Member
Good god. So can you like one shot anything? What's the point of playing after you've got that high?
Hispanicguy
Member
There's still a hidden boss I can't kill (and I believe there's another boss fight after that I haven't unlocked yet). I can't even get near him since there are other enemies I need to pass through before getting to him and they destroy me in 1 shot lol.
Land of Carnage is no joke so be prepared for that.
Plus, Mao is my only really strong character. Once he dies, I might as well quit and restart. I have another at 9999 with high stats but still below Mao. So either I continue to increase Mao or make new characters and buff them enough to where they can help Mao/stand on their own.
Oh yea..and there are some trophies that involve doing a ton of damage so if you're into trophies, you would have to put in the time to level up your stats to get those.
Glorious Ownage
Member
How'd you level so fast? I'm at like 35 hours playtime and my highest level character is 58
Also, what's the best way to increase my movement range? Shoes only seem to give +1 and I feel like they're such a waste of a slot
I need to figure out how Honor Quotient works for the formula (and how HQ itself works) to see if some time can be saved. Right now, rough approximations are looking at being able to halve the Gency count assuming a >500 HQ. So there's that.
+10% for two slots of the same Rarity, +20% for three slots, and +30% for all four.
Why not a Fencer and Guardian? They're +500% to the stats of the Sword/Armor respectively and far, far, better than Gladiators here. To put it in perspective, a single 500 Guardian would mean your 3x maxed out Trapezohedrons (1,433,519 All Stats) now give you 8,601,114. Each. Before Aptitudes.
Depends on how far you are at "35 hours", really. Basically, if you're still doing the story, I wouldn't worry at all.
But, to answer the question, there's an Innocent you can get that gives you +EXP% that you can stack that will greatly decrease the time it takes to level. You're looking at, eventually, doing 1-9999 in under a minute sort of thing.
Well, your only other option is to use the Item World and pass +Movement bills via the Item World Item Assembly that you'll sometimes see on Floors 10, 20, 30, etc. You can pass 1 bill in Common Items, 2 bills in Rare Items, and 3 bills in Legendary Items. Besides that, the Class World allows you to increase movement up to 2 times per character.
Hispanicguy
Member
My HQ has been hovering around 240. Still not sure how you increase it.
So 8x500 Fencers in the sword and 8x500 Guardians in each trap? I stuck with Gladiator only cause I didn't do research into the other specialists. I blame too much Disgaea 1 for that, lol. Gladiator stuck with me.
8 mil in each stat is amazing. I guess I know what i'll be concentrating on now. Thanks.
I've seen you posting on GameFaqs and I'm impressed with how deep you go in the game in terms of all the math involved. Sometimes I read one of your posts and im like "wtf?" Haha, but I respect the work you put into figuring out all those things.
Time to get working on these Fencers/Guardians.
I followed this guide:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/942139-disgaea-3-absence-of-justice/45486922
It's for the PS3 version but the same applies. Only difference..whenever it says "omega heal", substitute that for "tera heal" since tera spells are new for the Vita version.
After following that guide, you eventually memorize the steps taken so when it comes to post game content and leveling up, you'll know what to do right away then it becomes pretty simple. Beat the story first before really going into leveling up your people. You may have to grind here and there to beat some people but shouldn't be hard.
Honestly, I have no idea how the hell it works. I've got some samples and the HQ adjustments I see just don't make any sense to me
Sorry, just 1x 500 Fencer and 1x 500 Guardian and it doesn't matter where you put them. This means you still have 30 other Innocent slots to do whatever with (well, 29 as I'd suggest using a 100 Professional for the guaranteed crit).
Edit: There's a similar Innocent to Fencer for every weapon type, for the record:
Axe - Lumberjack
Spear - Lancer
Bow - Eros
Gun - Deadeye
Staff - Cane Man
Monster Weapons - Monster Hunter
Guardian applies to all Armor slot items. All of these are Reverse Pirate unique Innocents just like Statisticians.
Disgaea = Math time for me. That or I'm insane. Not sure which is most apt. But, yeah, I've put way too much time into solving every Disgaea title (well, I skipped the original D3 due to the DJ guide being so well-done).
plasticpassion
Member
Maybe this is a stupid question, but what causes characters to level? Is it when they attack? Just being on the map during or at the end of a battle?
I'm unsure of how so much of this game works. It's remarkable how in depth it is. I'm at 2-1 and it's kicking my ass. I guess I should upgrade some of my gear/weapons.
I'm unsure of how so much of this game works. It's remarkable how in depth it is. I'm at 2-1 and it's kicking my ass. I guess I should upgrade some of my gear/weapons.
A character gains EXP upon killing an enemy. In a team attack, each character gets 50% of the EXP.
There's also the bonus gauge, which rewards you with items, HL and EXP. All characters deployed at the end of battle gain the EXP.
You have to get the final hit on an enemy to kill it, then the character (or characters if it's a team attack) get the EXP. If there are any EXP bonuses on the map, I believe they are shared between all characters who are out at the end, but someone else will have to confirm that. (EDIT: see above)
plasticpassion
Member
Well how do you level your healers then? ;_;
Edit: also, can someone tell me the purpose of items having different categories(?) that are listed when you buy them? For example, this Kukri sword has Professional 2 and Sentry 6 listed beside it.
Your healer should have the spell "overload" which is actually an attack spell.
Or, you can teach your healer fire/ice/wind/star spells by going through the class world, or absorbing a mage, or reincarnation.
Or, you can give your healer a weapon to attack. The game lets you change equipment during battle, so you can swap between a staff for magic and a bow/spear/whatever for physical attacks.
Professional and sentry are specialists, and they boost the item's stats. The number is the specialist's level. There's a list here.
Edit: and by specialists I mean innocents. They were called specialists in D1 :S
So anyways, I haven't been playing this game as much as I want lately. I finally found a statistician via reverse pirating. Still so much to do ._.
PataHikari
Banned
Those are innocents, they're inside items and give stat boosts to the item that can be taken out by subduing them in the item world. They have various effects. For instance. Sentry increases the DEF stat, while Professional increases the critical hit rate. The number by them is their level and how much it increases the stat.
plasticpassion
Member
Man I wish there were an option that would allow me to restart a battle through the option menu instead of having to quit and reload. Sigh.
DangerousDave
Member
Finished the game. 37 hours, l98 Mao.
I didn't use 7-3 exploit (not big bang or upgraded magic), only a few times 5-5.
I think I'm gonna follow that 9999 level guide.
I didn't use 7-3 exploit (not big bang or upgraded magic), only a few times 5-5.
I think I'm gonna follow that 9999 level guide.
If by "exploit" you mean the whole Level 99 thing, that's basically an intended feature. Honestly, due to the way the whole formula works out and all, I'm rather hard pressed to say that it's anything but intentional.
...well, at least now it's definitely intentional.
Steal from the LoC Item God of the Rank 40 Weapon.
DangerousDave
Member
Yep, it's intentional (if not, it would have been fixed before Disgaea 3 PS3 was out on US), but is still a exploit.
Is what I love of Disgaea. You can go on the regular way, as any other tactic-rpg, but there are some exploits hidden on the game (level 99, being able to kill the gatekeepers once, use door, enter, kill again, to extra-upgrade the items, 1 gold coin heal evility to exploit the nurse system, duplication of items, etc) to powerlevel easily if you are smart enought (or look for them on internet).
Erm, it's always been in Disgaea. It's a direct result of Level 99 -> Level 100 taking more EXP than other levels. There's no exploit in this at all nor is it a bug (since 99's oddly higher EXP to Next is done manually, not as a result of a formula gone awry). 99 -> 100 takes more EXP therefore Level 99 enemies give more EXP. It's just the way the EXP system has always functioned.
Though, maybe we're just using different definitions of exploit...
They added this in Disgaea 2 and the math kind of checks out for it ever since.
Edit: Though the new aspect of it being infinitely repeatable is in this weird state. Disgaea 4 had it but it's way too useful to seem intentional; Disgaea 3 Vita having it is due to a different mechanic entirely so it's possible it just slipped through QA since, again, it's really useful. Not entirely sure, really.
I assume you're already trying Lucky Finger on Chests? Besides that, not much to suggest besides Bonus Changing over and over.
As for Disgaea 4 ... well, one of the post-game fights has a guaranteed Yoshitsuna. Besides that, it's just as frustrating.
Hispanicguy
Member
The above was before I put a Fencer/Guardian on my equipment.
Below is after I put them:
DAMN! What a jump lol. Any other innocents worth putting? I know you said Professional is good. 1x100 is all I need, correct?
Since that's done, I'll try to go after the other rank 41 items now. I'll probably post pictures of them when I do get them.
In terms of new characters, I may try to mess around with a mage. I always went for attack whenever I played a Disgaea game. I need a change in my team.
DangerousDave
Member
Ok, I don't want to screw Mao (or any other main character) doing reincarnations wrongly.
So... what should I do to optimize the reincarnations? Do class world as many times as necessary in all reincarnations (not before the first one, because Mao clones will rape me badly)? Do absorb characters as much as possible?
So... what should I do to optimize the reincarnations? Do class world as many times as necessary in all reincarnations (not before the first one, because Mao clones will rape me badly)? Do absorb characters as much as possible?
Might as well get the Elemental Innocents (1x100 of each of them). Besides that, just stat Innocents if you still need any, I suppose.
It's impossible to permanently screw up a character with Reincarnation. There's also no limit to it so there's really no need to worry about messing anything up ever, really. If you plan to go all out, though, I would suggest Class Worlding until you cap all of their Aptitudes which is around ~70 Class World runs per Character. Though, ~60 will be needed to get the Move, Jump, Crit, Throw, etc. runs all done and then + some Skill/Evility inheritance runs so it's not as bad as it seems. Sort of.
As far as maxing Reincarnation itself, just be sure to reach 186,000 Stored Levels so you get the most out of your Bonus Points to allocate. Whenever you're "done" reincarnating (e.g., maxed out Aptitudes, have 186,000+ Stored Levels, don't need to switch classes anymore for Skills/Evilities, etc.), distribute your Bonus Points so that all your stats are at 67+. Level to 9999, Reincarnate for the last time and select the class you want to end up as. Distribute your stats however you want and then never worry about reincarnating this character again. So:
1) Reach 186,000 Stored Levels.
2) Reincarnate and boost all stats to 67+.
3) Level to 9999 and reincarnate again; allocate points as you want.
4) Never reincarnate again.
I guess there's 10 more Bonus Points to be had if you reincarnate as the same class and tier 10 times in a row so I guess that's an optional step during the whole "reach 186,000 Stored Levels" step. You'll know it's working when the sprite is hopping up and down when you go to reincarnate and choose your class/tier.
As far as Absorb goes, it only boosts your current stats so the impact after a reincarnation is negligible at best. Absorb if you have a character with skills/Evilities you want to inherit that way but don't really do it for the stats. If you want to get the most out of Absorbfor the stats later (i.e., after you're done reincarnating for good), capture a Land of Carnage Monster and Absorb that. The stats you gain from Absorbing are based entirely off the base, unequipped, naked, etc. stats so LoC Monsters will give you the largest boost.
...but, still, it's a pretty small bonus in the grand scheme of things and you'll probably be at the cap, or really close to it, from equipment alone anyway.
DangerousDave
Member
I thought that you had a limit of 5 reincarnations with the "unique" characters. So, if I spend the reincarnations without boosting the character on class world, the final character won't be optimized, isn't it?
About absorb, yes. It seems a cheap way (like reincarnation for a generic class) to be able to have skills/evilities of different classes/monsters into unique characters, without all the worry of buying them on the class world. Attributes don't seem very important.
Unique characters get +5% to their Aptitudes per reincarnation for their first 5 reincarnations. This was added to "mimic" the Tiers of Generic classes. They can still reincarnate an infinite amount of times.
Glorious Ownage
Member
Does anyone know how much mana it costs to increase the movement range on a pair of shoes in the item world?
Hispanicguy
Member
Here's what the Rank 41 gun looks like:
Just looked through the other category of weapons and I seem to have most of the Rank 39 items (legendary) so getting the other rank 41 weapons later tonight doesn't seem too hard. Expect more pictures tonight.
Just ran a pair of shoes in the item world to level 10 and it takes 3000 mana to increase it. Not sure if it costs more if you were to upgrade it again.
^Rank 41 monster weapons. Sucks there's no picture for monster/fists.
Just looked through the other category of weapons and I seem to have most of the Rank 39 items (legendary) so getting the other rank 41 weapons later tonight doesn't seem too hard. Expect more pictures tonight.
Just ran a pair of shoes in the item world to level 10 and it takes 3000 mana to increase it. Not sure if it costs more if you were to upgrade it again.
^Rank 41 monster weapons. Sucks there's no picture for monster/fists.
DangerousDave
Member
Absorb is amazing. I just saved a lot of mana and time making a good for nothing priest, learning espoir and omega heal, reincarnate into a monk, learning big bang, absorb with Mao.
Got another question before I pick this up. How is the level design in this game? Finally close to beating D2 and the later levels kind of got ridiculously annoying because of all the geo panels they used (no entry + any enemy buff). Maybe my memory is hazy but I dont recall D1 being nearly as annoying with its geopanel usage. Anything of the like in D3? I dobt mind their puzzle like nature but I felt like D2 really forced its usage to its own dentriment.