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DisneyPrincess Mafia |OT| Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Whos the Scummiest of Them All
- Thread starter YesNOnoNOYes
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Oh, wow. This is pretty interesting. I didn't really read to deeply into these posts at first glance. I think you're on to something.
weemadarthur
Member
We don't.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't consider the possibility.
Darryl was very sure that Seath is Tinkerbell. He harped on protecting Tinkerbell. He may have been trying to make Seath look suspicious by association. Why did Ursula have a name cop option? Darryl claims to be a name sniffer too. It implies relevance. Maybe.
In any case, that looks like bread crumbing Cap-I-Tan Hook, and I'm bringing it up for consideration.
Sure, the breadcrumbing looks worth looking into. Not sure why scum would breadcrumb though
considering the possibility of a recruitment mechanic with zero evidence on the other hand... not so useful. We might as well consider the possibility of having any other mechanic we have no evidence for.Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Sometimes there's a detached scum role who isn't in the chat. Star Wars had those for examples.
But to be honest, it looks more like a breadcrumb for a certain crocodile to me...
weemadarthur
Member
Sure, the breadcrumbing looks worth looking into. Not sure why scum would breadcrumb though
It isn't ZERO evidence. The scum team having a Sniff Name command implies that someone has a name that matters. You'll note that Ursula did not have a Role reading command. That must be, like, at least 0.5% of an evidence.
And yes, we may as well consider other mechanics. Did you come across anything during the night that can help us? Re reading posts keeping in mind that CM was Ursula?
That's only one of the scenarios for them being able to get names, probably one of the unlikeliest. It could be there just to allow them to pass for info-gathering town roles.
And considering random mechanics is not how you deduce things. You take the information you have, and extrapolate from there with as few assumptions as you can.
Making assumptions bigger than the facts we have is how we get nowhere. There may well be a recruitment thing going on, but this is not that time to discuss it.
AbsolutBro
Member
My guess would be a bit more simple: Ursula name-copped Seath N1 and found out that Seath is Tinkerbell.
Darryl tried to use that information to ingratiate himself with town: first by pretending to be Wendy tied to Tinkerbell, second by pretending to be a Cop with info taken from the One-Shot cop on his scum-team.
Vote: Darryl
AbsolutBro
Member
Depending on how much of a name Ursula got in response, she may not have needed a specific Role Cop command.
"Jane Porter, a Disney Princess" would tell her that Jane Porter is Ordinary Town, while "Alice, of Wonderland" would tell her that Alice has a PR of some kind.
weemadarthur
Member
Terrabyte, you're still claiming the kill on flatearthpandas? You didn't shoot weemadarthur by chance?
Septimus Prime
Member
So how come there was no death last night?
I will confirm that we made no night action on our end.
I will confirm that we made no night action on our end.
Why are we assuming that Darryl is scum? I get that he didn't vote CM, but otherwise his claim makes sense, doesn't it? I don't get why he would claim Wendy otherwise. It would seem like a foolish claim since it wouldn't be from scum's list of safe names.
The only hypothesis I can think of that makes sense is that he wanted the real Wendy to reveal because there's a greater purpose there (involving Wendy and Tink)...but that's a bit farfetched.
Also, the lack of scum kill last night implies they probably went for Darryl and were blocked by a doctor. I can't see who else would have been an obvious target last night. Unless this is a gambit and they refrained from killing to lend Darryl some credibility.
The only hypothesis I can think of that makes sense is that he wanted the real Wendy to reveal because there's a greater purpose there (involving Wendy and Tink)...but that's a bit farfetched.
Also, the lack of scum kill last night implies they probably went for Darryl and were blocked by a doctor. I can't see who else would have been an obvious target last night. Unless this is a gambit and they refrained from killing to lend Darryl some credibility.
AbsolutBro
Member
Multiple possibilities I suppose. They could have tested TheExodu5/Ariel's commuter PR. Beyond any information already in the public circle, we probably shouldn't dig into it too much lest we out a PR who is still hidden.
AbsolutBro
Member
Because of the multiple lies yesterday? Did we seriously forget already?
AbsolutBro
Member
Also the lack of scum kill implies nothing about Darryl at all. They could have just as easily targeted anyone.
He claimed to be Wendy. Were there other lies?
Well they either targeted me, Darryl, or somehow someone else who can avoid night kills or someone who was protected by the doctor.
The first 2 options are the most likely.
AbsolutBro
Member
I suppose it's really multiple double downs on that one lie, pretending to be from the Lost Girls XXX graphic novel.
He role claimed Snow White/Role Cop at the very end, which at this point is in a "put up or die" position. Mind you, this is right BEFORE we discovered a scum role cop. The whole thing stinks, so my vote stays there until he proves it. If he's scum and CM was their only role cop (one shot at that), he will not be able to prove anything.
Also, regarding the idea of recruitment: generally where there are hidden or recruitable team members, there's a mention in the role description for Scum. There's nothing in CM/Ursula's role description that says anything about a recruitable member. While we can't completely discount the possibility, unless something does actually pop up I think we should not really worry about it.
AbsolutBro
Member
Why Darryl? Not why would they target him, but what keeps making you say Darryl? Because of his almost certainly bogus Role Cop claim? I cannot imagine why a town Doctor would try to save someone who was looking so scummy.
weemadarthur
Member
And please be honest about it.
I'm not going to OMGUS you, we just need to know which was the target of the mafia. We can't discuss the mafia target during Night 2 without providing power role information, which I'm not prepared to do and please nobody do so.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
I have only used my Night action on flatearthpandas.
Darryl is scum because of his inconsistencies, namely his false role claim as well as his motivation behind it. Once again I can not stress this enough. Darryl's Wendy claim was motivated by him believing that there could not be both lovers and a role where he knew someone else's role name. AB counter-claimed Wendy, forcing Darryl to change to role cop. Problem is, his fake claim motivation does not add up with this new role. CM choosing AB over Darryl is another point in him being scum. Darryl not voting CM is another point. CM having a role-cop ability is yet another. You seeing the pattern here?
How about re-reading his interactions with Sept and I after his Wendy claim, as well as after his Snow White claim. Notice how malicious his responses were. He was out to get us, and was trying to use knowing Seath's role as his way to get credibility.
Darryl is scum, period.
I'm just trying to think...if scum were given out a list of fake names to claim (someone said all games have fake role claims now...is that true?), why claim Wendy in the first place, when someone else was already Wendy?
Alright, so if we assume Darryl is scum, why claim at all when he was one of the more trusted townies at that point?
weemadarthur
Member
Then I assume I was the target of mafia.
Thank you for confirmation.
It is generally (mildly) frowned upon to kill off new players to gafia on the first day/night cycle. Why did mafia target me? Did I do something to override the slight disinclination to target noobs?
AbsolutBro
Member
Because he didn't know there WAS a Wendy!
But why not claim a fake name given to scum?
AbsolutBro
Member
Because he was trying to link himself to another player: he knew Seath was Tinkerbell (almost certainly from CM/Ursula's role cop ability). Then, when Seath is lynched and/or killed by Scum, we all look and go "OMG, he knew Seath was Tinkerbell he must be telling the truth about his Role Claim! It makes sense Wendy might know Tinkerbell!"
Except it blew up in his face.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Because by that point there was no natural way to get Sept and I lynched... Not unless new set up information occurred to make the likelihood of a pair of lovers with ONE of them just so happening to be a vig seem too much to accept. And that requires a role claim.
Him being a trusted townie allows for that role claim to be more easily accepted. It wasn't a bad play on his part... Until he chose Wendy.
Tbh I have no idea what's going on. :3
Edit: Is the text I write here or the other thread what determines me possibly being a villain or not?
weemadarthur
Member
You can't write anything about this game in the main neogaf mafia recruitment thread.
What you write here is what matters.
If you meant to reference the mafia chat on the other website, that there is not a good first post. XD
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
By the other thread I assume you mean the Recruitment thread (I hope)
And only the text in this thread is game talk. The recruitment thread is were we are all friendly and kind people (even Darryl!) But in the game threads... It's WAR!
That...makes sense.
Also, I must have missed it...but how do you know you were targeted night 1 weemadarthur? Seems strange since you didn't have much of a townie vibe going for you day 1.
Royal_Flush
Member
1. Do not edit your posts in hear.
2. You got a Role PM from Ynnny. In there is your role described (including your alignment). Alignments usually do not change during the game.
3a. If you are aligned with Good (aka "Town"), you now know everything you are absolutely required to know. Your goal is to find the Evil (aka "Scum") players. Please read the thread to be able to make useful contributions.
3b. If you are aligned with Evil, go to your group chat forum linked in your PM where
To this I will say: I visited someone else last night and received A response (aka, more substantive than Zip). Which would appear to support a commuter claim.
My apologies to Exodu5 for yesterday.
Barrylocke
Member
I was starting to warm up to Darryl being a cop over thise last few minutes of yesterday, but after the Christina flip and knowing they had a name cop of their own...
I'm not as sold as I was during that day phase on his guilt though. I really need to hear more from him. Would a 1 time name cop really investigate Seath of all people, the guy that was really close to being lynched and could have made a good head to drop down on for a town lynch later?
I'm not as sold as I was during that day phase on his guilt though. I really need to hear more from him. Would a 1 time name cop really investigate Seath of all people, the guy that was really close to being lynched and could have made a good head to drop down on for a town lynch later?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
This is nothing more than speculation, but as I have stated earlier, there could be a hidden scum partner that they don't know about. And with Seath being very weird and talking about "looking for True loves kiss" All day 1, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that he would be as good a place to start as ever.
But once again, it's nothing more than conjecture.
Barrylocke
Member
It's possible. But again, as AbsolutBro says, it's nothing to weigh on without future evidence.
Although I suppose TinkerBell would be a possible secret mafia role with how much she hated wendy.
....but nothing to weigh in in without future evidence.....
weemadarthur
Member
I'm glad you asked, exodus!
Let me just explain everything I know about all the Town power roles, to a member of the Mafia team! Bonus points for using a quote tag to draw attention to my reply and make it easier for you to see!
Well, you're in luck, day 1 was relatively uneventful and day 2 didn't really get going until its latter half so you don't have all that much to catch up on. I'd recommend getting on that asap though.
It's bs. Tinker Bell sounds like a neutral role. I would never tie myself to a neutral.
weemadarthur
Member
Let's see if Darryl can get corroborated by 4-5 other people before I respond.
That seems fair enough.