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DisneyPrincess Mafia |OT| Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Who’s the Scummiest of Them All

Darryl

Banned
You never acknowledged the fact that Darryl recanted. He was your early choice, apparently, but you didn't vote for the one who proved to be mafia, or the self admitted liar. What exactly did AB do that was more suspicious in your eyes? You haven't offered any reasoning the whole game...just fluff.

He just said he was a better pick between the two, which he is.
 

Darryl

Banned
The only scenario in which Darryl flips town and weemad is scum is if the scum team had a switcher, correctly guessed Darryl would look into weemad and switched him with the actual Tania. If so, they hit jackpot because it's going to be hard to prove.

It's ridiculously unlikely but is an alternative I'm willing to entertain due to how weemad's been playing. At least it's not as unlikely as the recruiting narrative wee's been trying to push.

Darryl, could your sleepwalking have caused the "get name" action to redirect or something? Or are you convinced weemad's playing some crazy gambit right now?

I didn't really think about it. But yea, that's possible. Weemad is acting really weird though. He could've cleared this up very quickly, instead he decided to make yet another act of it. So far revealing Princess names has been winning the game for us. It's even caught us our first scum (Anastasia). So, where all this fear comes from is really displaced and undeserved. What he's afraid of makes little sense in the context of our game, which makes me think he's paranoid. And paranoid people will go jump through a lot of hoops to achieve their anxiety relief.
 
I find it very hard to believe that with a claimed commuter (which scum will avoid), an option for a double-kill from scum N1, and a pair of lovers (where it would be easy to target the other), that we've had only 1 night death so far from a claimed vig. Either the scum team has sat on their hands all game (unlikely) or town has gotten extremely lucky with doctor, roleblocks, and whatnot.

You never acknowledged the fact that Darryl recanted. He was your early choice, apparently, but you didn't vote for the one who proved to be mafia, or the self admitted liar. What exactly did AB do that was more suspicious in your eyes? You haven't offered any reasoning the whole game...just fluff.

I had votes on CM and Darryl. I didn't think a last-minute bandwagon on CM would take off, and between AB and Darryl I wanted to save the claimed cop to see what he would give us for one night.

What happens if Darryl flips town?
 

Zatoth

Member
I had votes on CM and Darryl. I didn't think a last-minute bandwagon on CM would take off, and between AB and Darryl I wanted to save the claimed cop to see what he would give us for one night.

But by claiming to be a cop Darryl made AB's Wendy claim legit.
 
so your saying you have an override command?

And people think I come to weird conclusions.

Darryl has like 6 votes on him currently. At 11 the day ends no matter how much time is theoretically left in the day cycle.

Your conclusion is that I will
a) telegraph an override, which is inconsistent with how I've played so far (I'm very unforthcoming)
B) use an override when the person I want lynched has a clear majority and I'm the only person with an active vote on a different player
C) acknowledge publicly that I have an override, thus making me the target for night killing, as well as day killing if town members think I'll make bad choices

Think about that and determine the likelihood.
 
Darryl, why do you think wemadarthur might be saying a different result from what you found. And who do you think we should look at?
 

Darryl

Banned
Darryl, why do you think wemadarthur might be saying a different result from what you found. And who do you think we should look at?

We would still look at Wee. If he's not Tiana, someone else is. And I have no glaring problems with any current name claims. The ones like Ariel, Giselle, TB, Nala, the twins, etc, are being corroborated by another or are too circumstantial to have been claimed in a scum like manner. So that's a decreased pot of princesses that could be scum.

I copped him originally because I thought he was scum. So if he's denying his result, and in the way that he is doing it, I can't confirm him as town (I can confirm someone else as town who will claim the name). So I think he could be scum, trying to hide his scum name? Seems most likely
 

Mazre

Member
Checking in. On international business travel. Jetlag, weird schedule and mostly on phone. Will try to assemble a proper post at local time this evening. (~12 hours from now)

Agree Darryl's case is tennuous but gut is pushing me to look elsewhere.

Don't interrupt game flow soley on my circumstances. If you guys have votes and resolve do what you feel necessary.
 
Checking in. On international business travel. Jetlag, weird schedule and mostly on phone. Will try to assemble a proper post at local time this evening. (~12 hours from now)

Agree Darryl's case is tennuous but gut is pushing me to look elsewhere.

Don't interrupt game flow soley on my circumstances. If you guys have votes and resolve do what you feel necessary.
Well you'll have me around for 12 hours from now, so look forward an audience of at least 1.
 
I don't believe there is a switcher. First, it's a crazy role that probably isn't in the game, but second, given that this would have happened, on top of there being no kill last night, it means our power roles are completely ridiculous at guessing others' moves.

[higlight]Vote: Darryl

When you said this, I wasn't quite sure what you meant.

Was that "ridiculously awesome" or "ridiculously bad"?
 
Not home yet, but just checking in briefly to reiterate that I agree with turbo & will keep my vote on Darryl.

Darryl, assuming the day keeps going, I would also like to know if you get a title or just a role.
 

Enker

Member
Enker, since you're here....what do you think of Terrabyte's short list from last vote?

Assuming you are talking about post 1056:

Christina - duh

Enker - I voted for Exodus on Wednesday, was not able to make it on the thread on Thursday, and I am never on the day of the deadline unless I am off of work. So that explains why I didn’t move my vote. I speculate Christina kept his vote on Exodus to try and seem ahead of the curve if the bandwagon had switched of Darryl in the last minute rush.

Wee - Hey, you had your vote on the same person Christina and I did, but you didn’t have an inactivity excuse. =) As noted above, I still have the “how do you know you were targeted” in the back of my head.

Euph - has been replaced so need to get a posting history from Ayumi to know more.

Fireblend - did what he was supposed to do in calling me on what could very well have been BS. I’ll reread the chaos of D2 again but right now I don’t see much to call him scum on, certainly not keeping his vote on me at that point in time.
 
Hey people, can you please stop providing easy outs for Darryl? Mazre came up with the idea of Darryl being a more powerful PR hiding behind a more harmless claim, which was an out Darryl gladly accepted. Today Fireblend and Exodu5 are proposing a Switcher. At least let him come up with his own excuses.

It's bs. Tinker Bell sounds like a neutral role. I would never tie myself to a neutral.
Can you explain to a 5 year old why exactly you, as the "cop", decided to put out a ridiculous gambit to confirm a not-even-surely Town role (considering that Tinkerbell does some pretty nasty things) as Town instead of just staying silent, trying to steer things away from Seath the traditional way?

Could you please stop this? I don't think anyone did not understand what the word was supposed to be. Just read my posts out loud and those homophones won't bother you anymore.

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And now, as the day is still young, to my special friend Zatoth who continues to act Scummy in every way and form:

So Terrabyte is sure that Darryl is scum, but for some reason you guys decide not kill him during the night? Yeah... not buying that.
Following Darryl with throwing shade on our Lovers.

As for Darryl. His story sounds even more desperate than my own cop claim in the first game.

He'd had no problem to sacrifice Ultron after his Wendy claim. Last minute role claim and some of you believe him? Really?

Hope no one already claimed Doctor should you decide to lynch me. I sure as hell will claim it in that case.
Busing hard on Darryl (especially considering he didn't vote for him). Plus a weird joke (I hope it's a joke because it would be one of the most anti-town thing I can think of)

The day has run its course? After not even 24h?

I am against ending the day early this early in the game.
Not everyone has posted yet. Mazre for example (I think).

At least give everyone time to post before you end a day.
You call for a longer dayphase, but do not provide a single discussion topic. Maybe so Darryl can pull a Crab on us?

But by claiming to be a cop Darryl made AB's Wendy claim legit.
Says the guy with a final vote on AB on D2.

I admit that half of these points rely on Darryl flipping Scum, but I'm quite confident that will happen.
 
Six of eleven. I'll make seven.

Very few people seem to mind if we turbo, I'm pretty sure everyone has spoken once.

I... I don't think the scum team will finish this off and look too obvious, but if someone disagrees I/they can unvote.

Vote: Darryl
 

Enker

Member
No, not post 1056, made during day two.

Post 1386, made during day three.

Ah, OK.

The first thing that jumps out at me is Terra’s logic appears to be the same as before (bolding people who haven’t changed votes given the discussion taking place) yet I am not bolded this time. Mistake, or deliberate? And if deliberate, deliberate from a Town or Scum perspective? I’ll think on that.

Euph - noted above.

gryvan - Seems a bit too anxious to try and get more role data from PRs - suspicious.

Zatoth - I use the “Enker Line” as a good indicator of minimum acceptable activity as I don’t post that much overall. Kind of like the Mendoza Line. By that standard, having a known situation where I can’t post during the most post-worthy final rush, they are posting just enough to seem average and should seem suspicious on that alone. That said, combine it with what Royal Flush is bringing up, and a definite scum candidate is born.

Ferret - appears Town to me in terms of questioning stuff. I think his vote for Chair was legitimately trying to put a little fear in a potential newbie scum. I can absolutely see not wanting to pick a side in yesterday’s fracas.

Trigger - a bit hard to read, will think more about it.
 

Darryl

Banned
Not home yet, but just checking in briefly to reiterate that I agree with turbo & will keep my vote on Darryl.

Darryl, assuming the day keeps going, I would also like to know if you get a title or just a role.

I just get a role.. it's exactly like the power Ursula had. It looks like she had 3 one shot powers that town also has. I had the role cop. Twins had the vig part. I'm guessing we have a double voter, too. Since that would fit the theme
 
I just get a role.. it's exactly like the power Ursula had. It looks like she had 3 one shot powers that town also has. I had the role cop. Twins had the vig part. I'm guessing we have a double voter, too. Since that would fit the theme

I don't think it's a Vig, I think it's a Ninja, based on the whole "sneaky" stuff.
 
Does anyone find it weird that Darryl is voting for himself? Would a scum really do that?

Yes. A scum would under certain circumstances.

For instance, if the Town team is in discussion of something too on the nose, and mafia wants it interrupted. Or when no gambit is working and it's just time to move on and let the rest of the team give it a shot in a new way.
 
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CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Darryl (8)
Terrabyte20xx .1284
AbsolutBro .1311
Seath .1340
Septimus Prime .1377
StackpoleH .1383
TheExodu5 .1396
weemadarthur .1468
Darryl .1469

weemadarthur (0)
Ayumi .1420 .1427

Lone_Prodigy (0)
weemadarthur .1418 .1468


No active vote for Day 3:
Ayumi (has previously voted)
Barrylocke
Enker
Fireblend
Freakinchair
gryvan
Lone_Prodigy
Mazre
Royal_Flush
Trigger
ultron87
Unmasked Ferret
Zatoth



Day 3 ends:
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11 votes for majority
 
Here's am easy discussion point. Whose next on everyones list if they've votrd for Darryl? The buck can't stop there.

L_P for reasons stated earlier

Gryvan and Exodus for role baiting

Freakinchair for being so convinced mafia had villain names before we saw the Ursula flip
 

Kevyt

Member
Posting here as a point of reference so I don't get lost in between posts (posts that I've read and the new ones).
 

Enker

Member
Here's am easy discussion point. Whose next on everyones list if they've votrd for Darryl? The buck can't stop there.

Gryvan and Zatoth for seeming the scummiest at the moment. Anyone else depends mostly on the flip. If we luck out and it is a role that tells us something about other players based on the interaction, that may change a lot.

Yes, this makes 9 (if my count is right) but I’d rather not see Darryl pull a “You’re a wizard Crabby!” for a few more days while random justifications get made to keep him around. Even if he is Town his current status is not helping Town.

Vote: Darryl
 

Kevyt

Member
That's 9 points, two more and it's over.

However I don't think it's good for town to end it this soon.

For now,

Unvote: Darry
 

Ayumi

Member
Yes. A scum would under certain circumstances.

For instance, if the Town team is in discussion of something too on the nose, and mafia wants it interrupted. Or when no gambit is working and it's just time to move on and let the rest of the team give it a shot in a new way.
Maybe he believes that is what you would think?
Or maybe THAT is what he believes someone would believe he would believe.

Evil is probably still lurking.
 

Kevyt

Member
Maybe he believes that is what you would think?
Or maybe THAT is what he believes someone would believe he would believe.

Evil is probably still lurking.

But why would someone believe that such thing is what he would believe, and therefore being what he believes?

Evil is most definitely still lurking

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Maybe he believes that is what you would think?
Or maybe THAT is what he believes someone would believe he would believe.

Evil is probably still lurking.

The common term for this circular reasoning, Wine in Front of Me (WIFOM) , comes from the movie The Princess Bride. On a side note, I love that movie.
 
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CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Darryl (9)
Terrabyte20xx .1284
AbsolutBro .1311
Seath .1340 .1485
Septimus Prime .1377
StackpoleH .1383
TheExodu5 .1396
weemadarthur .1468
Darryl .1469
Enker .1484
Lone_Prodigy .1486

weemadarthur (0)
Ayumi .1420 .1427

Lone_Prodigy (0)
weemadarthur .1418 .1468


No active vote for Day 3:
Ayumi (has previously voted)
Barrylocke
Fireblend
Freakinchair
gryvan
Mazre
Royal_Flush
Seath (has previously voted)
Trigger
ultron87
Unmasked Ferret
Zatoth



Day 3 ends:
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11 votes for majority
 

gryvan

Member
Gryvan and Zatoth for seeming the scummiest at the moment. Anyone else depends mostly on the flip. If we luck out and it is a role that tells us something about other players based on the interaction, that may change a lot.

Yes, this makes 9 (if my count is right) but I’d rather not see Darryl pull a “You’re a wizard Crabby!” for a few more days while random justifications get made to keep him around. Even if he is Town his current status is not helping Town.

Vote: Darryl

So how do I seem scummiest again? I'm a little confused.

Also I guess we are actually gonna just default majority vote on Darryl?

VOTE: Darryl

I still say wait a bit more but since it looks like Darryl can't do much with all the evidence from Day 2 oh wells
 

Trigger

Member
I'm ready to end the day. Just coming home from work. Everyone seems to have said their peace.

Here's am easy discussion point. Whose next on everyones list if they've votrd for Darryl? The buck can't stop there.

Probably the low activity posters and possibly Weemadarthur. Some weird behavior on his part.
 

ultron87

Member
From the Christina Mackenzie files:

To lift an autumn hair is no sign of great strength; to see the sun and moon is no sign of sharp sight; to hear the noise of thunder is no sign of a quick ear.

VOTE: Darryl

First person to vote for Darryl on day 1, basically apropos of nothing. Darryl currently not in any possible danger of being voted out.

Later on explains that vote:

I agree. He's top of the post count, highly active and overtly trying to be town by prodding inactives and arguing against a "no lynch". The ideal cover for mafia.

Early on there's very little to go by, you might argue that the reasons I've listed are exactly why he's town. WIFOM, half-full/half-empty etc. My gut is telling me scum and not complaining about the "grey stuff " I had for dinner.

Saying Darryl is acting very town, yet also still appearing opposed to him, at this time when there's no pressure anyway so the argument won't hurt. Basically a meaningless vote and argument, but still trying to set himself up in opposition to the other player.

Despite this earlier opposition, was adamant about lynching Absolutbro, over Darryl, on Day 2. Became pretty active on this specific topic over a short period of time.

Had a back and forth with AB, and some others regarding this:

I'll be damned if I'm going to give a lyncher the satisfaction of a win.

I don't remember AbsolutBro doing much on Day 1 either. I'd put him almost in the same category like Euphemism, who by the way is pretty much MIA as before. Him making sense out of all the lover's NK debacle seems to be the only thing earning him town brownie points. The fact he actually was able to do so makes me wonder if he knows more than he's letting on.

So basically you lied about your PR. This whole thing stinks like a setup.

Wait, what? Where did I lie?

You used your power Night 1 and learned nothing?

Did I say anything of the sort? No, I did not.

Still too convenient if you ask me.

I think he's bluffing about his PR. If he was town he would have kept his mouth shut. We already have the lovers, a watcher, a BP every-night in here. Why give more targets to mafia? Sounds like he's trying to save his own skin.

4 pages ago he was willing to be voted out to prove his point. I'm not feeling that anymore.

Then he never changed his vote off AB for the rest of the day, even after all the nonsense. The pressure on Darryl on Day 1, followed by the heavy offense on AB day 2, when Darryl was the other candidate, makes me totally fine with a Darryl lynch today.
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Other junk:

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: TheExodu5

Was the third to jump on the Exodu5 bandwagon when that was picking up after that first bout of roleclaims. This is about the point where I always feel like scum wouldn't vote for their partner. It is too dangerous for it to start picking up momentum. Obviously safer when the majority is 10+, but still, points for Exodu5.

Couple comments on Anna/Elsa team. Probably just general reactions, but might be something to look back on after more flips:

Terrabyte20xx and Septimus Prime. Lovers with a x-shot kill? Sounds too good to be true.

First weemadarthur suggests one of the lovers is scum and now you? So what is it, is one of them scum or both? How does that even work?

I think this post basically confirms the scum have safe names to use.
 
Day 3 has Ended.

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The Cheshire Cat perched nimbly upon a nearby tree, its tail slowly swaying to and fro below it. It purred softly, watching the mob below shout at each other at the top of their lungs.

One woman was finally shoved forward, a beautiful lady by the entrancing name of "Darryl." The crowd pointed their fingers at her, shouting, "She isn't a princess! She's certainly not an aged version of a princess, either!"

Darryl pleaded with the Cat, dropping to her knees and begging for mercy. "Please, Cheshire Cat. I'm so very tired of this dance. I can't take it anymore - may I just leave in peace?"

A wide grin appeared on the Cheshire Cat's face. "Dance, you say? What a marvelous idea!" The Cat snapped its claws together, and suddenly, a fireplace appeared, with a pair of metal...things, sitting on top of the flame.

Darryl gazed at the flame, her eyes wraught with fright. "No...no! Please let me go! At least go with the Disney interpretation if you must dispatch me!"

"Where's the fun in that, my dear?" The Cheshire Cat purred.

The metal items soon glowed bright red as Darryl knelt on the ground, trembling uncontrollably, her tears staining the ground below her. The Cheshire Cat snapped its claws together once more, and the red hot iron shoes suddenly appeared on Darryl feet, and she leapt into the air with a wild yelp.

"DANCE! DANCE FOR THE PRINCESSES!" The crowd cheered.

Darryl, unable to remove the scorching hot apparatus, jumped around awkwardly, screaming in pain. The flesh on her feet began to burn away, and an acrid odor permeated the air, causing the princesses to wrinkle their noses in disgust. The skin on her legs began to peel away, and the blood boiled before draining onto the ground, steam rising slowly from the puddles. Darryl let out a horrific wail as the pain became absolutely unbearable. She crumpled to the ground, unconscious from the pain, as the fire continued to burn and scald her flesh, eventually damaging her enough to let the crowd watch her life slowly ebb away.

The Cheshire Cat snapped its claws once more and the iron boots disappeared.

"There. Now you're pretty."

The earth opened up underneath her remains and swallowed her up whole in a matter of a flash, taking her away from our Magical Kingdom and dumping her back in that other world, where everything is 100% less magical and 100% more ordinary.

...

Darryl opens his eyes and finds himself sitting in front of the dressing table. There is loud music coming from the main room, and he can hear his name vaguely being announced to come up next. He looks at his face on the mirror, and his face stares back at him, tired and hollow. He looks down and sees that he’s wearing some kind of a costume. A lewd cowboy’s outfit with exposed buttocks. And high-heeled boots.

“Please, now, welcome to the stage! Our very own meow with a rawr, Darryl!”

Darryl sighs and walks up to the bright lights and the nameless, grinning faces in the dark beyond.

“DANCE! DANCE FOR US!”

He starts his strip-dance number and the audience laps it up hungrily.

Epilogue: A cat purrs thankfully to Ouroborellia, the most beautiful and smartest Princess in all the Kingdoms.

Darryl has been removed from the Kingdom.

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Hullo!

To be honest, that old hag disguise wasn’t the brightest idea, Your Majesty.

The Princesses have returned to our Magical Kingdom. Nuts. And you thought you were getting away with so much villainy, too. This won’t do. No. You are the consecutive winner of all local beauty pageants for a while now and their returns will foil your track records, for sure! Life is much more agreeable with only your fellow villain friends… frankly, they aren’t as gorgeous as you are.

You are Grimhilde, the Original Evil Queen. You are obsessed with being the fairest in all the lands and would go to great lengths to ensure that no one else is prettier than you. You&#8217;d even sent off a handsome huntsman, who may or may not look like Chris Hemsworth, to chase after some silly filly. Every Night phase, you can task your Huntsman to track another player with the command: &#8220;Huntsman, Track for me: <Target Name>&#8221;. You will be notified who that player had targeted, if any, during that night.

You are aligned with Evil.

Your partners are: [REDACTED]

Every Day phase, you are able to Vote to nominate a Princess&#8217; untimely demise with a delicious, glorious, exciting lynching!

Any member of the Evil Faction are able to carry out the Faction Kill with the command: &#8220;Kill: <Target Name>&#8221; during each Night phase. This action will be associated with the player who sent me the PM or post the command in your faction chat - which can be found here. I will only take the last command sent through, either by PM or in the thread.

Note that you may not use your special powers if you are the one sending the Faction Kill, except if you are the last Villain left.

You win when Evil ties or outnumbers those aligned with Good.

Any questions? Ask a weird cat, who may answer, eagerly and with many, many teeth.

Good luck, Villain!

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DAY 3 FINAL TALLY:

Darryl (11)
Terrabyte20xx .1284
AbsolutBro .1311
Seath .1340 .1485
Septimus Prime .1377
StackpoleH .1383
TheExodu5 .1396
weemadarthur .1468
Darryl .1469
Enker .1484
Lone_Prodigy .1486
gryvan .1494
Unmasked Ferret .1498

weemadarthur (0)
Ayumi .1420 .1427

Lone_Prodigy (0)
weemadarthur .1418 .1468


No active vote for Day 3:
Ayumi (has previously voted)
Barrylocke
Fireblend
Freakinchair
Mazre
Royal_Flush
Seath (has previously voted)
Trigger
ultron87
Zatoth

11 votes for majority

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