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[HarryKS]

Where is the loser in that video OP? I'm a little distracted.

On Resetera.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Within the first hour of Shadow he loses his shit and shouts at Lara for being reckless and impulsive after she basically sets off the apocalypse and wants to rush off to do the next reckless, impulsive thing.

So no.

Great point, and completely true. Lara is nowhere near a flawless character in the new games. The writing in both reboot sequels is still pretty awful, though. I enjoyed the first reboot and played it all the way to the end, the second one about halfway probably, and the third maybe three or four hours. The games are not getting better.

The main writer for the reboot said she wrote her as a lesbian character, on top of the main mission statement of making her as unsexy as possible.

You explained the lesbian part, but I don't think you ever backed up your intentionally unsexy allegation. I know this is an older thread, but care to come back and explain that one with an interview link or something?

 

[hariseldon]

You want to push your agenda? Fine with it, make a NEW IP but don't screw already existint IPs with a big fanbase. Sames goes with Ghostbusters, Iron Man , Star Wars, or whatever. All of them have bombed for the same reasons.

Don't forget Doctor Who as well. Anyway, back to what I was here to reply - it's entryism, simple as. Entryism has become incredibly popular in recent times as fringe groups have come to realise they can't get anyone's support, so they invade existing groups which do have support - this can be seen in Jeremy Corbyn's rise to be leader of the British Labour Party for example but it's also starting to appear on the right (https://www.ft.com/content/303283ae-b1f2-11e8-87e0-d84e0d934341 for instance).

This entryism has found its way into films, TV and games, as these groups know perfectly well they can't create something popular, because their tastes are so out of step with the larger population (and necessitate a design by committee in order to avoid offence which inevitably leads to dull watered-down characterisation). Instead they take over an existing franchise and brand anyone objecting to them a racist/sexist/nazi. It's a fucking mess, it really is. The fuckers are now trying to rape linux. They're literally helping Apple and Microsoft. Utter cunts.

 

[Shai-Tan]

That construction assumes an insider/outsider dynamic and that the insider owns the hobby or poperty. The weeping and gnashing of teeth is whining that you don't like the politics of people who are free to engage in a hobby just like anyone else. I don't like a particular type of proselytizing progressivism that conflates its ideas about a just society with justice itself, making an end run around discussion and persuasion into demonization; however, this nonsense about insider/outsider mirrors populist language about the "true patriots" and the untethered elites that are seeking to undermine them. The way that gamers get outraged on both sides looks a lot like right wing Indian Hindutva on social media acting like their point of view is the natural order and the community should be remade in their image, nevermind democratic principles

The Jeremy Corbyn example is not unusual as there are always different factions within parties. I don't have much knowledge of UK parties but a cursory look suggests there isn't a popular farther left party like the NDP in Canada. There has been increasing sorting by ideology in Canada between Conservatives/Progressive Conservatives and Liberals/NDP similar to the US but parties are always flexible enough to change over time and they also change with the local political skew not unlike centrist to conservative leaning Democrats in more right leaning states.

 

[hariseldon]

Shai-Tan I think you've misread things somewhat. The point is there wasn't ownership of the hobby, that's correct, but the SJWs have sought to fill that vaccuum by taking ownership, kicking out the people who disagree with them.

In terms of the UK, there are parties further left such as the greens and the socialists, and it's mostly from those parties that the Corbynist entryism originated.

 

[Shai-Tan]

The Green party is a not a popular party. We also have a green party here in Canada. Saying those people "came from the greens" assumes there's a lane they should stay in. Healthy parties are intellectually diverse. If farther left factions have taken over the Labour party it's because there is some popular support for it.

Anyway, like I said you're trying to set up a scenario where only the other side is trying to make the hobby in their image and I don't think this is tenable if you look at the ideology around the "true" gamers and conservative attitudes towards change and difference that mirror what we see in broader politics outside of games.

 

[hariseldon]

I suggest you read up on entryism and then come back to the thread.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Anyway, like I said you're trying to set up a scenario where only the other side is trying to make the hobby in their image and I don't think this is tenable if you look at the ideology around the "true" gamers and conservative attitudes towards change and difference that mirror what we see in broader politics outside of games.

I love how everyone who disagrees with them have "conservative attitudes". Have you considered the possibility that people just don't like you and your identity politics?

 

[hariseldon]

I love how everyone who disagrees with them have "conservative attitudes". Have you considered the possibility that people just don't like you and your identity politics?

As a leftie socialist [the old-fashioned kind who wants to do something for the poor] (and as it happens a Corbyn fan, just not a fan of the means by which he was elected, which leaves me somewhat conflicted) I thoroughly endorse this post.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Shai-Tan I think you've misread things somewhat. The point is there wasn't ownership of the hobby, that's correct, but the SJWs have sought to fill that vaccuum by taking ownership, kicking out the people who disagree with them.

In terms of the UK, there are parties further left such as the greens and the socialists, and it's mostly from those parties that the Corbynist entryism originated.

And for anyone who cares to dispute this, please name me anyone working at a website that is featured on Metacritic who is openly conservative, or libertarian, or classically liberal (especially when it comes to being critical of censorship, deplatforming, removal of sexuality, and other ways of people acting like the morality police) as those words relate to US politics. Which twitter profile of an employed modern video game journalist can I look at to find any of this?

 

[Shai-Tan]

I love how everyone who disagrees with them have "conservative attitudes". Have you considered the possibility that people just don't like you and your identity politics?

Yes I'm a big supporter of "identity politics", never mind the numerous posts I've skewered doctrinaire thinking around that concept. No need to think or engage beyond dismissal. Move along.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

iirc from playing TR 2013 ( hes in that one right?) hes just the archetype of the useless buffoon side kick or at least that was their intention, I dont think they even reached that with him.

 

[Blood Borne]

I hate how the current toxic climate is making people see everything through a SJW/anti-SJW lens. Jonah serves the same purpose as those two guys from Legend/Underworld, he is just an excuse to make Lara speak about the surroundings to somebody. He is boring because he is just poorly written, but I don't think he is there for diversity reasons.

I think the political influences in TR are mostly kept to a minimum. Fanservice is gone from the series, but on the other hand you have lots of gore and violence against a woman, which is a huge nope in this feminist world. I dislike modern TR's writing (in all three of them) but I'd blame the writers, not their political views.

I agree, I'm guilty of this also. Thats because politics, particularly leftist politics wants a cultural revolution and they're going after everything, hence I'm almost always wearing my political lens.

 

[Shai-Tan]

There was a crew in TR 2013. He appeared more than them but he was just one among many that got separated on the island. I think I prefer that to a larger than life hero + sidekick combo and tired tropes around that but I haven't played enough of the latest game to judge (waiting on RTX, lol)

 

[Dr. Claus]

I hate how the current toxic climate is making people see everything through a SJW/anti-SJW lens. Jonah serves the same purpose as those two guys from Legend/Underworld, he is just an excuse to make Lara speak about the surroundings to somebody. He is boring because he is just poorly written, but I don't think he is there for diversity reasons.

I think the political influences in TR are mostly kept to a minimum. Fanservice is gone from the series, but on the other hand you have lots of gore and violence against a woman, which is a huge nope in this feminist world. I dislike modern TR's writing (in all three of them) but I'd blame the writers, not their political views.

Best post here. Poor writing is all this is, not some socio-political conspiracy. You are trying to find things that don't exist, Thiagosc.

 

[Airola]

I'm more surprised people already forgot about all of this. Game journalists were hailing that reboot as a revelation and a feminist victory because of these reasons plus the significant lack of old school Lara's attitude, confidence and sexiness.

They can make these video game characters physically less sexy than before but joke's on them, as long as they make the characters lesbians too I'm gonna perv out my lesbian fantasies while playing the game

 

[woigemok]

Fuck diversity! I want to play a game with good gameplay and not some shit social politics in my game.

I'm glad Sakurai trolled SJW folk at Era with Monkey and spirits.