[GamesIndustry.biz] How to accommodate neurodiversity in game development // Superpowers in Diversity: Managing Mental Health and Neurodiverse Teams

It's not as easy as "just get a diagnosis". Not in the UK. Some areas have waiting lists of around 7 years. The alternative is going private which costs over a thousand pounds. And often those diagnosed privately, are not entitled to medication from the NHS and again, have to pay for it.

Of course that's the UK, other countries probably different.

Good. We don't need more narcissists getting diagnosed and costing even more money.

Civilisations got along just fine without pandering to everyone's whims and wants. In fact, most achieved more than post-2014 Western countries.
 
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The guy who wrote the article:

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Problem is, the company can't and shouldnt provide me with that, because I'm not special. Nor are those ND folks. Sorry, but they aren't. We are not talking about disabled people, who have their particular assignments and training programs.
Like I said ignorant, I mean that literally, not as a put down. No two ND people are exactly the same of course, but a reasonable generalisation is that an unfiltered world requires active work to process whereas 'normal' people do it passively. The amount of work rising in proportion to the stimulus. ie: it becomes exhausting. So an appropriate workplace could quite literally just be a quiet workplace. Or NC headphones. So ND is in fact a disability. But it might not actually require much in the way of special consideration. Like I said though, every case will be different. But if you don't have even a basic understanding of this I can't understand why you would post opinion on a forum, just makes you look ignorant to pretty much anyone who has half an idea about ND.
 
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I agree that you don't need a diagnosis to know something is different but I can tell you it is definitely NOT a super power
I wouldn't change my ADHD for any amount of money in the world, and I often tell people who are ADHD that it is an advantage, and I have used the term superpower before.

Now, the difference between my thoughts on this and the person mentioned in OP's post is that I don't believe we should be given any special treatment whatsoever, and I've always felt this way. I actually don't like anyone even knowing I'm ADHD, as it's just not that important, and I figure you'll probably figure it out if you know me long enough anyway. I have always been in the top ten percent of pretty much any class I've taken that I chose to try at, (not something I always do, as not everything is worth effort), and I have absolutely noticed that I think faster than the average person, so yes, ADHD definitely does not hinder anyone's ability to think and process things at all, it just means it's a lot harder for me to pay attention than most folks.

I can though..... that's the rub. I can pay attention, it's just tough, and sometimes I have to ask people to repeat themselves, or I have to reread a page or paragraph three or four times as my mind drifts extremely easily, but I can do it. Everyone with ADHD can do it, and we don't need special accomodations to do so, and we can even improve our ability to pay attention if we work on it. Listening for us is just hard mode, that's all. Hard mode isn't impossible, it's just difficult. Me personally, I like hard modes on games, and so far life has been hard mode too. The Army was hard mode for me, learning how to be a good husband and father was hard mode, all three of my degrees have been hard mode, and High School was hard mode, and these things were never difficult for me from an intellectual standpoint, (except for learning to program as I'm doing with my most recent foray back into school, holy shit this stuff is tough to learn at 38 -_-), but they were absolutely difficult from a social standpoint, and it was always hard for me to pay attention throughout everything. It was possible though. I have a beautiful marriage that took me a long time to figure out, an incredible daughter, (just got number one in her entire school for math development recently, of which I'm very proud), who's my best friend and my universe, and I've got two degrees and almost finished with a third, all in completely different fields, (Exercise Science, Business Administration, and Game Programming), and my life is pretty ok I think.

Most importantly, and I mean this, I'm finally proud of myself and who I am, and I earnestly believe that if someone made this all easier for me to accommodate my ADHD, .....well, I don't think I'd be as proud ya know? I'm proud of the fact that it was all tough for me. I'm proud that I stuck with it and figured it out. Hell, I even got off of ADHD medication when I was 17, over twenty years ago, because I wanted to be me, the real me. I'm proud of that fact too, that I've done everything I've done in my adult life, mistakes and all, without any pharmaceutical help as well.

I guess my point is that I DO consider ADHD a super power, but super powers shouldn't mean we need special attention or accomodations; it should mean that we can do anything we put our minds to as we have the tools at the ready that we must simply learn to use. We have sharp, fast minds that can easily consider the abstract and the esoteric, but with that comes the propensity for boredom and quitting when things get tough. The solution? Work hard at it! Improve! Try new things, better yourself, hit the gym, read more books, try to criticize yourself, try to see from other points of view, and never take the easy way out! It sounds like the person in question just wants people like me to be given the easy way out when we have the mind to play on hard mode, and to that I say no thank you.

If you can do it, then so can I if I work hard at it, special accomodations be damned.
 
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I wouldn't change my ADHD for any amount of money in the world, and I often tell people who are ADHD that it is an advantage, and I have used the term superpower before.
You have formed your opinion based on ADHD and personal experience. Thats not going to be the same as someone with Autism. Whilst there is superficial overlap they are very different conditions. I'd also point out not everyone with ADHD will agree with you either. I mean its great you have done what you have but its one datapoint is all I'm saying. If 'tough love' were applied in every case an awful lot of people will live shit lives. The way I see it, a bit of understanding can go a long way.
 
You have formed your opinion based on ADHD and personal experience. Thats not going to be the same as someone with Autism. Whilst there is superficial overlap they are very different conditions. I'd also point out not everyone with ADHD will agree with you either. I mean its great you have done what you have but its one datapoint is all I'm saying. If 'tough love' were applied in every case an awful lot of people will live shit lives. The way I see it, a bit of understanding can go a long way.
I agree on autism, and I'm not really speaking to that as I have no experience with it. I'm mainly referring to ADHD because that's what the person in the article was referring to as they are ADHD.
 
I'm mainly referring to ADHD because that's what the person in the article was referring to as they are ADHD.
Ah kind of missed that and went straight to the ND part of it. Given I have personal experience with ND (aspergers) in the family its where I tend to land by default.
 
Too many people have been mollycoddled these days into being victims.

Humans haven't really changed. There almost certainly aren't proportionally more neurologically different people now than before.

There absolutely are severely mentally disabled people.

I know someone who has autism so bad that he has 24/7/365 care, usually with two carers. He's also often drugged up to the eyeballs, otherwise he gets violent (and he's big).

On the other hand, I know someone with aspergers who has two PhDs in sciences.

Those are the sort of people who need help. Not people who find a busy environment difficult or whatever.
 
As someone autistic, it ain't a superpower.

It's honestly a mixed bag of positives and negatives; on the one hand it does make social interactions a nightmare and fucks up my hand-eye coordination, but on the other, it allows me to hyperfocus on something and do very well at it, I can remember details to an extent most people can't, and I was reading at an adult level by the time I was like 9.
You win some, you lose some.

As far as work accommodations, I don't ask for much, just give me somewhere quiet to work and I'm good.
 
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As far as work accommodations, I don't ask for much, just give me somewhere quiet to work and I'm good.
The point being an awareness that you do have particular needs goes a long way to improving your productivity. Which was the point of the article from what I could see. Some simple accommodations can unlock productivity and reduce churn. Seems eminently reasonable to me, but judging from comments here it wouldn't surprise me if herd mentality was the normal. How dare you be different or get special treatment.
 
I can though..... that's the rub. I can pay attention, it's just tough, and sometimes I have to ask people to repeat themselves, or I have to reread a page or paragraph three or four times as my mind drifts extremely easily, but I can do it.
What you just described are accommodations. Being able to have something repeated to you or having a bit of extra time to read something. Maybe you have been fortunate and the people you worked with were willing to do this as a matter of normal human interaction, but not everyone is.
 
Being that every motherfucker I know seems to have some form of neuro-divergency now, I'm starting to think not having any at all is the true divergency.

I'd love to know what the average neuro-typical person looks like too - never seen one in my life.
 
As someone autistic, it ain't a superpower.

It's honestly a mixed bag of positives and negatives; on the one hand it does make social interactions a nightmare and fucks up my hand-eye coordination, but on the other, it allows me to hyperfocus on something and do very well at it, I can remember details to an extent most people can't, and I was reading at an adult level by the time I was like 9.
You win some, you lose some.

As far as work accommodations, I don't ask for much, just give me somewhere quiet to work and I'm good.
I'm in basically the same boat. If there's a quiet little corner for me to spin my autistic cocoon, I'll work happily on my own. Some office setups, however, aren't conducive to this seemingly simple requirement. I worked with an older man who was pretty deep on the spectrum, but the company insisted on moving us to an open plan office, which made work pretty unenjoyable for him. Too much noise, too much bustle, too many distractions. He was eventually fired because of the drop off in his work. I'm not saying the world needs to be crafted around this stuff, but a little consideration can be the difference in talent retention.
 
Good. We don't need more narcissists getting diagnosed and costing even more money.

Civilisations got along just fine without pandering to everyone's whims and wants. In fact, most achieved more than post-2014 Western countries.
It's not a good thing. Not everyone with adhd austism etc is a narcissist. Every civilisation that came before ended. So not sure what your point is?
 
For us autistics it's easy, just give us the ticket, leave us alone to complete it and don't try pulling us into "groups" whatever for the sake of "strengthen our bonds" or whatever shit with the team, there are like a shitton of us in stems and art so maybe games can finally deliver in a good manner and time.

BTW I haven't read the article but looks like one of those written by people pretending to be actual neurodivergent just because they don't share their baby boomers or early Gen X parents views, like many people these days for the likes and clicks.
 
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