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[phanphare]

They were just low information voters, you know what's best for them I'm sure. Go ahead, overturn their will.

I'm sorry, was this supposed to be a response to my post? seems like a response to a post you imagined in your head

 

[Beer Monkey]

I'm sorry, was this supposed to be a response to my post? seems like a response to a post you imagined in your head

Do you support the idea of the party dumping Hillary for Bernie at the convention?

 

[phanphare]

Do you support the idea of the party dumping Hillary for Bernie at the convention?

oh no, not at all. I don't believe that was a part of the discussion though. I still contend that Bernie would have been a stronger candidate against Trump and in a hypothetical scenario where Bernie had actually won the nomination I don't think black voters would have stayed home or gone for Trump. that's where the conversation was, I believe. not that Bernie would be a better candidate so let's drop Hillary at the convention.

though in a hypothetical scenario where Clinton was dropped for Bernie at the convention then yes I could see some harsh feelings toward the Bern resulting in a lower turnout among those demographics so I can now see where you are coming from.

 

[creatchee]

Like it or not, atheists and socialists are two of the least liked groups of people in the country.

I can't speak for socialists, but in our case, I can understand the majority's resentment towards us, given that we're completely right while they can do nothing to prove what they believe in other than pointing at thousands of years old texts about angels, floods, mistreating other humans, flying prophets, and zombies.

 

[Splash Wave]

I can't speak for socialists, but in our case, I can understand the majority's resentment towards us, given that we're completely right while they can do nothing to prove what they believe in other than pointing at thousands of years old texts about angels, floods, mistreating other humans, flying prophets, and zombies.

This might be why a large number of people hate atheists (and I am one).

 

[Feep]

This might be why a large number of people hate atheists (and I am one).

F'real. Ease off that pedal...

 

[creatchee]

This might be why a large number of people hate atheists (and I am one).

I was being hyperbolic for a reason:

Replace atheism with almost any issue or "hot topic" and you'll realize why politics and pretty much any kind of discourse in regards to government activity have become so shitty.

 

[Beer Monkey]

oh no, not at all. I don't believe that was a part of the discussion though. I still contend that Bernie would have been a stronger candidate against Trump and in a hypothetical scenario where Bernie had actually won the nomination I don't think black voters would have stayed home or gone for Trump. that's where the conversation was, I believe. not that Bernie would be a better candidate so let's drop Hillary at the convention.

though in a hypothetical scenario where Clinton was dropped for Bernie at the convention then yes I could see some harsh feelings toward the Bern resulting in a lower turnout among those demographics so I can now see where you are coming from.

My misunderstanding, sorry.

 

[Blader]

You "can't believe" this still needs to be explained? Hillary Clinton is reviled on the left and the right for reasons both real and imagined, and she repeatedly gives these people ammo to believe whatever they please. She's a unique presidential candidate in this regard whether you think it's entirely fair or not (her approval ratings are atrocious--again, IN SPITE OF whatever you may believe about her). Those living in economically blighted areas across the country will forgo a lot--yes, even "socialism"/atheism--to elect someone they perceive as being separate from the problems they currently face.

Citing Hillary's win among registered Democrats is a pretty bad argument for GE viability; you need a broad base to win.

Yes, I can't believe the reason for Bernie's higher GE hypotheticals still needs to be explained to anyone. The reasoning has been explained many many times already.

And Hillary's base is much broader than Bernie's was, so what does that tell you?

 

[tfur]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...erman-schultz-booed-off-stage-in-philadelphia

She needs to just stay away from this cycle, jeez.

LOL LOL

I love the MSNBC (FOXNEWS inspired) banner:
"Wasserman Schultz receives cheers at Florida delegation breakfast."

 

[diablos991]

LOL LOL

I love the MSNBC (FOXNEWS inspired) banner:
"Wasserman Schultz receives cheers at Florida delegation breakfast."

Ha!
Didn't notice that. Only think better would be if we saw the word cheers get deleted and replaced with boos live.

 

[Mimosa97]

So if I understand correctly, this woman and her string of fuckups is probably going to single-handedly hand over the election to Trump ?

Why didn't Clinton just dump her already ? Why play with fire like this ? Why make yourself an easy target by keeping such a liability so close to you ?

 

[GYODX]

I love how Russia and Putin's influence on something only becomes ridiculous and prosperous when the topic of subject becomes Trump and his backed up by considerable amount of evidence.

Remember when Democrats ridiculed Romney for (accurately) saying Russia was our biggest geopolitical rival?

 

[exmachina64]

Remember when Democrats ridiculed Romney for (accurately) saying Russia was our biggest geopolitical rival?

China was and still is our biggest geopolitical rival.

 

[Apathy]

So if I understand correctly, this woman and her string of fuckups is probably going to single-handedly hand over the election to Trump ?

Why didn't Clinton just dump her already ? Why play with fire like this ? Why make yourself an easy target by keeping such a liability so close to you ?

The dems seem to like to handicap themselves. No one in their right mind could say it is a good idea to bring this woman on board, like there are no arguments that could make this a logical argument with how bad it looks on paper and how much it can be exploited by the Republicans, yet here we are witnessing the dems make a horrendous mistake.

 

[Malvolio]

The dems seem to like to handicap themselves. No one in their right mind could say it is a good idea to bring this woman on board, like there are no arguments that could make this a logical argument with how bad it looks on paper and how much it can be exploited by the Republicans, yet here we are witnessing the dems make a horrendous mistake.

It clearly speaks to either massive favors owed or a fear of what damage she can do if she isn't placated. The mistake wasn't made recently, but in 2011.

 

[tanooki27]

lol/cry at angry bernie people shouting "WE BELIEVED IN YOU" when warren talks up clinton. Warren!

they're silly, but at the same time that type of berserker energy is good for democracy. i just hope they get a little shot of pragmatism between now and november

 

[Apathy]

It clearly speaks to either massive favors owed or a fear of what damage she can do if she isn't placated. The mistake wasn't made recently, but in 2011.

Oh of course it's that. The problem is that giving her a role in the Clinton campaign is really damming. This is one of those cases where giving her a bunch of hush money to go away till after the elections would have been infinitely better. Right now she a powder keg and the Republicans have a stack of matches.

 

[old manatee]

It's so hard to watch the speeches because of all of the random bleeting. I kept expecting the camera to cut to a bunch of farm animals. Those people really did Bernie a disservice.

 

[Malvolio]

Oh of course it's that. The problem is that giving her a role in the Clinton campaign is really damming. This is one of those cases where giving her a bunch of hush money to go away till after the elections would have been infinitely better. Right now she a powder keg and the Republicans have a stack of matches.

She clearly wasn't interested in going away. Everything she has said since shows her desire to remain relevant in politics. Hillary and her campaign really had no choice. Putting her in the campaign is their best opportunity to protect her and to protect themselves from her. Sure it looks sketchy and will create some talk, but the Clinton's have shrugged off far worse.

 

[Mimosa97]

She clearly wasn't interested in going away. Everything she has said since shows her desire to remain relevant in politics. Hillary and her campaign really had no choice. Putting her in the campaign is their best opportunity to protect her and to protect themselves from her. Sure it looks sketchy and will create some talk, but the Clinton's have shrugged off far worse.

DWS was a liability from Day one. She's borderline incompetent.

It almost feels like dems are doing everything in their power to lose the most crucial election in 50 years.

 

[Future PhaZe]

A good convention will do a lot to push this story away. We need a great showing from Hillary in the debates and all relevant parties to help her campaign.

 

[E-Cat]

I wish Bernie supporters would realize no votes were taken from him that injustice you felt about closed primaries understand the DNC doesn't run state primaries the states do. Bernie lost fair and square Hillary won get over it get a life vote for whom ever.

Debbie was rubbing shoulders with the boss of MSNBC, essentially providing them a platform to frame the discussion. If you don't think that had an effect on the voters who may not be deep in the political process but watch the occasional news, you're crazy.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

DWS was a liability from Day one. She's borderline incompetent.

It almost feels like dems are doing everything in their power to lose the most crucial election in 50 years.

This is how I feel, this shouldn't be that hard but here they are..