Or, they believe they will win no matter what they do.
And though the polling doesn't reflect that right now, the demographics certainly do.
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DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz to step down, Joining Clinton campaign
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Or, they believe they will win no matter what they do.
And though the polling doesn't reflect that right now, the demographics certainly do.
Ziltoidia 9
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Hes making too much money as a lobbyist.
ShockingAlberto
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Most likely situation is DWS had to step down on Sunday and she only agreed to do it if she could save face by joining the Clinton campaign (which was likely intended a month ago) as an honorary chair immediately.
Sanders delegates were going to call for her head today in the caucus meetings if nothing had happened and the campaign had to install Brazile as interim chair to keep everyone happy before the story drowns out the convention.
My guess is they were caught between a rock and a hard place and are hoping post-convention mentalities will wipe the slate clean.
Ray Wonder
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Well that's insanely stupid, and the people that hold those beliefs should not be in charge of making decisions for the Hillary Clinton campaign. These are the exact beliefs that will end with them losing.
This has so much to do with her and McAuliffe being the last people to stand by her in 2008 when it was clear that she lost but was still attacking Obama.
Why put your campaign through this?
I'm sorry, is this not (mostly) the same campaign team that won Obama's two presidential runs?
They've got a track record. If anything, Clinton is extremely calculating. If Trump is still close by the end of September, we've got something to worry about.
Future PhaZe
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It's okay to have opinions, but in that setting given the function of the DNC itself...cmon
Angry Chair
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No.
That may have been the plan but it makes no sense to do it now other than keeping her quiet.
The DNC was biased towards Hillary in 2008 and it didn't stop Obama from getting the nomination. Bernie failed for no other reason besides running a shitty campaign.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
So what? If they have that mindset, they're idiots. Trump has shown that he can win against all odds/predictions. Take him seriously, or you shouldn't be running a campaign against him.
No, she's toxic.
"The Obama team — especially 2012 campaign manager Jim Messina — long viewed Wasserman Schultz as a major campaign liability, questioning her fundraising prowess and her tendency to appoint personal aides to positions of authority, prioritizing loyalty over competence and effectiveness as a spokesperson for Democrats. At the time, senior campaign officials leaked details of an internal survey, conducted by pollster David Binder, showing Wasserman Schultz was the least-liked Obama surrogate; she later dismissed the report as “National Enquirer” dross."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-226100
"Wasserman Schultz has a different sense of herself. According to people who spoke with her, when she sensed Obama was considering replacing her as chair in 2013, she began to line up supporters to suggest the move was both anti-woman and anti-Semitic."
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/senate-bid-could-be-solution-for-wasserman-schultz-115373
dave is ok
aztek is ok
It's going to be brought up at a debate or in a Trump ad, 100%.
...it's already having an effect.
Its a Donald Trump ad in the making
Its something that he will bring up in the debates and Hillary won't have a great answer for.
It brings EMAILS up again as an issue as opposed to say something more important like income inequality or foreign policy concerns
It helps support the narrative that Hillary made sure to do everything to secure the nom including rig the primary (things like the debate schedule are a prime example as to DWS impact)
All of this at a time where she didn't pick a super progressive pick that would win over those Bernie voters.
She's taking on unnecessary risk for no added benifit.
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The Everyman
Yup. But ironically, I feel like this is exactly how she could blow it. Staunch, robotic, hyper-politics.
Future PhaZe
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pretty much
hopefully we look back at this as the darkest point of the cycle but its concerning to think it may not be
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If she cared about the Democrat party and Hillary's campaign she would have resigned, period. Self-serving.
Splash Wave
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She's making this easy for Trump, isn't she? I remember arguing with Hillary supporters during the primary that she was a far weaker candidate than Bernie, and this was before she herself started giving Trump ammunition. I fear for this country.
thehypocrite
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It will and it already has. Trump is making an overt play to capture Sanders supporters for himself or drive them away from Clinton. This it's the kind of thing that helps that goal of your opposition.
Bernie is a weaker candidate. He lost the Dem primary already.
The key difference between how the DNC treated Bernie and how Trump would have is that, a few DNC staffers only talked about questioning Bernie's faith to undermine him in certain states. Trump actually would have done so (and has done so to many other candidates before), which would have been severely penalizing in many states. Like it or not, atheists and socialists are two of the least liked groups of people in the country.
Bernie's lead in the GE polls came from being totally untested in a GE. Hillary's numbers were worse because she is a nationally-known candidate.
I can't believe this still needs to be explained.
Splash Wave
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You "can't believe" this still needs to be explained? Hillary Clinton is reviled on the left and the right for reasons both real and imagined, and she repeatedly gives these people ammo to believe whatever they please. She's a unique presidential candidate in this regard whether you think it's entirely fair or not (her approval ratings are atrocious--again, IN SPITE OF whatever you may believe about her). Those living in economically blighted areas across the country will forgo a lot--yes, even "socialism"/atheism--to elect someone they perceive as being separate from the problems they currently face.
Citing Hillary's win among registered Democrats is a pretty bad argument for GE viability; you need a broad base to win.
Beer Monkey
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And you need black people to vote if the Democratic Party candidate is to win, period.
Bernie would get his ass destroyed in the general.
Nah, it's been made clear that, "yeah but Trump" is all that's needed to prevail in November.
Splash Wave
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Right, and they would absolutely come out to vote for Bernie in November.
Beer Monkey
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If that's the case then there's nothing to worry about with Hillary.
Non-white voters voted against Bernie 3:1 in the Democratic primaries. Disenfranchising these voters would be the beginning of the end of the party.
exactly. But that seem to only work one way....
Are you saying black people would sit out if Bernie got the nomination?
Pretty big assumption considering how much he lost the black vote during the primary.
Possibly? There no guarantee they wouldn't.
are you implying that trump would do better with blacks than bernie?
They won't be disenfranchised because of, "yeah but Trump."
Beer Monkey
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I'm saying that sending a giant 'fuck you' to non-white voters after they, and they alone, handed the nomination to Hillary would hurt turnout.
Splash Wave
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I don't think it's a big assumption to say that black people would vote en masse for the Democratic nominee against Donald Trump. Older black democrats largely preferred Hillary over Bernie, but I highly doubt they harbor anything like a "Hillary or Bust" sentiment in regard to Sanders.
You are utterly delusional. Bernie isn't actively hated as some kind of racist, nor is Hillary thought of as some kind of champion for people of color.
yeah gonna go ahead and disagree with you there. A) "a giant 'fuck you'"? please. B) donald trump
Beer Monkey
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They were just low information voters, you know what's best for them I'm sure. Go ahead, overturn their will.
jack_package_200
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At least have the sack to call him racist if that's your intent.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Man - if she really wanted to give DWS a job, she couldn't wait until after she was in office?? Not a good look at all
Is it a job or a title? Sure seems like the latter to me.
Flying Toaster
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It could very well be the latter but she should have waited post convention.
Yeah, you're right.
Either way, it gives old Trumpotron ammo that he shouldn't have.
timetokill
Banned
Did people get booed off the stage at either convention last time around? I don't remember that happening, and yet we've had it at both conventions this time. Amazing.
Ploid 3.0
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But the other option is voting for Trump, so she can kill puppies and it still won't matter. Am I right guys? (high fives)
Get a life? You're so clever, keyboard warrior.
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