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Do you think the Sequel Trilogy should be decanonized?

Decanonize the ST?

  • Yes

    Votes: 215 84.0%
  • No

    Votes: 11 4.3%
  • Not fully, but deemphasize it

    Votes: 22 8.6%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 8 3.1%

  • Total voters
    256

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In the latest May the 4th, Andor, The OT, and the PT topped the charts. The Sequel Trilogy films didn't make the top 10.

Galaxy's Edge is rebranding away from the ST in favor of the OT.

Should the ST be decanonized and scrapped? A new trilogy based on Heir to the Empire, with deepfake OT characters? Revisit George's outline? What would you do as LucasFilm president right about now? Billions of dollars are on the line.
 
For the good of humanity, throw them in a bin, fill it will gasoline and set it on fire.

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Just make new stuff unrelated to the main saga.

Getting into the weeds of what is and isn't canon made sense for the expanded universe stuff which was for a more hardcore audience but it's only going to make it more confusing for the wider casual audience if you do it for films that millions of people have seen.
 
Just make new stuff unrelated to the main saga.

Getting into the weeds of what is and isn't canon made sense for the expanded universe stuff which was for a more hardcore audience but it's only going to make it more confusing for the wider casual audience if you do it for films that millions of people have seen.
Problem is that the ST is a deeply unpopular dead end direct continuation of the main Skywalker saga. So they're stuck in limbo with an elephant in the room, doing a bunch of side stories. If they decanonize it with a good plan, they could repair that damage and move forward with the storyline.
 
Yes, but I don't think these movies will ever be substituted.

So, giving it a little more thought, what's the point?
 
You can't decanonize something that was never a cannon in the first place.
SW sequel, for all purposes, its a fanfiction. It wasn't meant to be a sequel. It was mean to spit, mock and damage the story.
I wouldn't be surprised if this new Mandalorian shit movie end up showing Leia, Luke and Han out of nowhere.
 
Make is a bad dream of Luke Skywalker.

Do a proper sequels based on some EU stories, Mark Hamill is still alive.
 
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Problem is that the ST is a deeply unpopular dead end direct continuation of the main Skywalker saga. So they're stuck in limbo with an elephant in the room, doing a bunch of side stories. If they decanonize it with a good plan, they could repair that damage and move forward with the storyline.
If people don't like the ST then fine. But just move on from it. I get that people like the idea of more Luke/Han/Leia but you aren't getting those original actors back and ROTJ wrapped that story up without there being any plot threads we still need resolved. Tell other stories about different characters. It could be before, during or after the other films take place but do something other than the Skywalker saga.
 
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Why are we using the data from a single day as some sort of gospel?
Seems to me like he simply asked a question based on the current data on hand, not seeing any gospel here.

OT: Yes, big time OP. The sequel trilogy, and the many spin offs on Disney +, has done more damage to one of the most hallowed franchises in cinema history than any of us could have thought possible. It has watered it down, it has shifted responsibilities, it has retconned established lore countless times, it has ruined beloved characters; some of whom were household names, and it has cheapened the name of Star Wars to the point that it now has similar pull to any bog standard CG animated family film.

If they've any humility at all, now's the time to write off the entirety of everything past Episode 6. It would show immense confidence in their management of the IP moving forward.....but I don't think it'll happen. Would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
 
I am not sure what has been made canon that they can't just ignore going forward. But why not? It is garbage.
 
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Seems to me like he simply asked a question based on the current data on hand, not seeing any gospel here.

OT: Yes, big time OP. The sequel trilogy, and the many spin offs on Disney +, has done more damage to one of the most hallowed franchises in cinema history than any of us could have thought possible. It has watered it down, it has shifted responsibilities, it has retconned established lore countless times, it has ruined beloved characters; some of whom were household names, and it has cheapened the name of Star Wars to the point that it now has similar pull to any bog standard CG animated family film.

If they've any humility at all, now's the time to write off the entirety of everything past Episode 6. It would show immense confidence in their management of the IP moving forward.....but I don't think it'll happen. Would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
There's a rumor currently circulating from a "source close to LucasFilm" that Filoni is talking about fully decanonizing the ST by using the World Between Worlds stuff from Rebels/Ahsoka to shift it out of the main SW universe, in an Ahsoka feature film.

Ahsoka saving the Star Wars universe from the Sequel Trilogy sounds like something Filoni would enjoy having as his legacy.
 
There's a rumor currently circulating from a "source close to LucasFilm" that Filoni is talking about fully decanonizing the ST by using the World Between Worlds stuff from Rebels/Ahsoka to shift it out of the main SW universe, in an Ahsoka feature film.

Ahsoka saving the Star Wars universe from the Sequel Trilogy sounds like something Filoni would enjoy having as his legacy.
Sweet Jesus please let this be true.

We could have Star Wars back...., oh Christ.

Don't get excited Poo, don't get excited....
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There's a rumor currently circulating from a "source close to LucasFilm" that Filoni is talking about fully decanonizing the ST by using the World Between Worlds stuff from Rebels/Ahsoka to shift it out of the main SW universe, in an Ahsoka feature film.

Ahsoka saving the Star Wars universe from the Sequel Trilogy sounds like something Filoni would enjoy having as his legacy.
This has been rumored for a long time -- OverlordDVD on YouTube comes to mind -- as a "fix" for the ST. I a) will believe it when I see it and b) doubt anyone will care enough to go see an Ahsoka movie.

(I also question how that can even be done, in-story -- Ahsoka yanks Luke from killing his nephew at the last minute? Ahsoka jumps in and kills Ben in an "accident"? Or, probably Filoni's fave version, Ahsoka comes in and usurps Luke from re-starting the Jedi Order and does it herself. Honestly, all of those sound AWFUL.)
 
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This has been rumored for a long time -- OverlordDVD on YouTube comes to mind -- as a "fix" for the ST. I a) will believe it when I see it and b) doubt anyone will care enough to go see an Ahsoka movie.

(I also question how that can even be done, in-story -- Ahsoka yanks Luke from killing his nephew at the last minute? Ahsoka jumps in and kill Ben in an "accident"? Or, probably Filoni's fave version, Ahsoka comes in and usurps Luke from re-starting the Jedi Order and does it herself. Honestly, all of those sound AWFUL.)
I'm doubtful about the credibility of the rumor, yeah, which is why I didn't lead with it.

But seeing the reaction online to the rumor could start some wheels in motion too.
 
I'm doubtful about the credibility of the rumor, yeah, which is why I didn't lead with it.

But seeing the reaction online to the rumor could start some wheels in motion too.
It's possible. Again, though -- I just don't trust Star Wars Current Year to be able to handle that storywise. (And I'm not saying Lucas would handle it well, either. It's a HEAVY-ASS lift.)
 
You can't unsee it. There were enough glimpses of the originals in there to give it some relevance even if you found the rest of the story an abomination.
 
I think it sucks. But they have to sleep in the bed they made.

I would like to see what George originally intended. They should pay him another 4 billion to come make them.
 
I deleted the sequel trilogy off of my Plex server and sold the discs. As far as I'm concerned, they no longer exist. I was so excited for them when Disney bought the franchise, but it was all a major disappointment.
 
Damn, I forgot Dragon Ball went through the same thing. And it certainly worked! They only kept some of the cool parts of GT (SSJ4).

Yeah, you can always do something like that and if the new thing is better than the old one, people will accept this.

But they would need competent crew to pull this off.
 
Delete the ST.

Do a proper ST with old man Luke passing the torch, but this time fucking plan it properly!
 
Delete the ST.

Do a proper ST with old man Luke passing the torch, but this time fucking plan it properly!
Doesn't even need to be old man Luke. The closer to the end of RotJ they set it, the more storytelling room they have to utilize the OT characters. Just build an ongoing post-RotJ continuity with the OT cast center stage. Deepfaked or recast.
 
Even Andor? And Rogue One?

I don't think they matter much in terms of the mainline canon right? They effectively fill in a bit of the story and if anything could be labelled as A Star Wars Story. The important factor here is what the ST did to the whole timeline. Inventing Kylo, Snoke, Rey, bringing back the Emperor, Killing Han, Leia and Luke. Their inclusion means the course of the world lore is meaningfully changed.
 
Frankly I don't know how you de-canonize them. You'd still have these films that say Episode VII-IX in the titles, that has Mark, Carrie and Harrison in them. Like how do you get the message out to the average person "Hey just ignore these, they don't count"? I feel that ejecting them from canon would be something for the fans, not casual audiences as a whole.

Also, while I would like to see those films removed from the lore, that doesn't solve the fundamental problem with Star Wars right now, which is mediocre storytellers and filmmakers helming these projects. Star Wars used to be the brainchild of George Lucas. Now multiple people are sticking their fingers in the pie. We're talking about an IP that delivered The Acolyte and Andor roughly around the same timeframe, and these two shows couldn't be farther from each other in terms of quality and style.

Personally what I would do is split the IP up into two timelines. Legends and whatever you want to call the canon timeline, but don't call it canon. Establish that both timelines are valid. Next is I would cancel all tv and movie projects, and pool all resources together to deliver one big premium show. Something akin to Game of Thrones. Just a big epic told across multiple seasons, that switches between POV characters like a young Jedi hero, a Sith spy, Republic commando, a Senator on Coruscant, a Smuggler, etc. Make the tone similar to Andor. It could be during the Old Republic, or a thousand years after the Skywalker Saga. But get a talented team of show runners, writers, and directors to make it.

Meanwhile hand out book, comic, and video game projects to other people. Let them pick whatever timeline they wish, but I got a feeling the Legends timeline would be the more popular one.
 
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Frankly I don't know how you de-canonize them. You'd still have these films that say Episode VII-IX in the titles, that has Mark, Carrie and Harrison in them. Like how do you get the message out to the average person "Hey just ignore these, they don't count"? I feel that ejecting them from canon would be something for the fans, not casual audiences as a whole.

Also, while I would like to see those films removed from the lore, that doesn't solve the fundamental problem with Star Wars right now, which is mediocre storytellers and filmmakers helming these projects. Star Wars used to be the brainchild of George Lucas. Now multiple people are sticking their fingers in the pie. We're talking about an IP that delivered The Acolyte and Andor roughly around the same timeframe, and these two shows couldn't be farther from each other in terms of quality and style.

Personally what I would do is split the IP up into two timelines. Legends and whatever you want to call the canon timeline, but don't call it canon. Establish that both timelines are valid. Next is I would cancel all tv and movie projects, and pool all resources together to deliver one big premium show. Something akin to Game of Thrones. Just a big epic told across multiple seasons, that switches between POV characters like a young Jedi hero, a Sith spy, Republic commando, a Senator on Coruscant, a Smuggler, etc. Make the tone similar to Andor. It could be during the Old Republic, or a thousand years after the Skywalker Saga. But get a talented team of show runners, writers, and directors to make it.

Meanwhile hand out book, comic, and video game projects to other people. Let them pick whatever timeline they wish, but I got a feeling the Legends timeline would be the more popular one.
Can just do what Gundam does. There's a UC timeline with everything the creator, Tomino, made, along with new works that are completely respectful of Tomino's projects and vision and properly slot into his canon. And then there are alternate universe AU timelines that can branch off from any point, change events, or create their own worlds.

OT, PT, Rogue One, and Andor belong in the UC timeline.

The ST, The Acolyte, et al belong in AU timelines.
 
I think most people wouldn't notice if they said 'these films are actually from a different timeline'.

They should double down, do some crossovers with other sci-fi 'franchises' that have been milked to death.

Aliens vs Stormtroopers would be a good start. Then maybe have a novice girlboss Jedi face off against a Predator (they already kind of did that one, right?)
 
100% it should be decanonized but I don't think Disney has the balls to do it. If the Filoni rumor is true I'm still not sure I want that hack or Favreau "fixing" it either though. Maybe Lucas can buy it back at a massive discount, no way this happens but it's the only thing that would give me hope.
 
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Just 4k the 'original' cinema releases of the first trilogy and be done with it.

Only new I accept is rogue one and Andor. Infact, Andor was what I thought the new star wars to be : A maturer look at the star wars universe, for those who grew up watching the originals. Yet, we just got another Lucas toy trilogy. Then Disney made it even more shit.
 
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