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Do you think the Sequel Trilogy should be decanonized?

Decanonize the ST?

  • Yes

    Votes: 215 84.0%
  • No

    Votes: 11 4.3%
  • Not fully, but deemphasize it

    Votes: 22 8.6%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 8 3.1%

  • Total voters
    256
Yes but I think most of it should be decanonized

Keep Rogue One, Andor, Skeleton Crew, Book of Boba Fett and The Mandolorian, those are the only stuff I enjoyed from Disney Star Wars outside of thier animated efforts. We shall see how The Mandolorian And Grogu does but everything I seen of it made me more positive on it
I'm watching Skeleton Crew right now. I think I'm on the 3rd or 4th episode and I'm finding it kind of mid. I found Ahsoka better.

I think de-canonize all of it and just canonize Legends. I had an idea how they could do this by messing around in the World Between Worlds and just going to an alternate universe or timeline where all the old EU shit is back or at least most of it. Definitely, definitely canonize both KOTOR games.
 
Rogue One honestly isn't as good as people make it out to be. If you watch Rogue One immediately after Andor, the difference in quality (especially the dialogue) is pretty stark. It has a pretty good third act, but that's it.

It's also hard to watch Rogue One these days and not see Cassian as the real protagonist.

I watched Rogue One after Andor as well and yeah, the change is stark and honestly it wasn't worth watching. It was pretty bad with the MCU humour and goofy blind guy. Had to watch the original trilogy after as a chaser. I probably won't bother with Star Wars any more though if they make the theatrical versions available, I would rewatch. Lucas added in some really silly CGI to the original trilogy that bugged me on the rewatch.
 
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Star Wars announced their 2027 event

Here's the art.

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That could be a good sign imo(Han Solo is missing though)
 
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Canonize all of the extended universe, un-canonize the new trilogy.

Really, it's not like Disney/ Lucas Arts is going to undo the 'cannon' that is already there. They may as well just work with what they have and try and course correct things.
 
Canonize all of the extended universe, un-canonize the new trilogy.

Really, it's not like Disney/ Lucas Arts is going to undo the 'cannon' that is already there. They may as well just work with what they have and try and course correct things.
If you go to YouTube and watch lore videos, it's always about the the Legends.
 
I remember feeling like everyone had lost their minds back when even episode 7 came out. It was clear that Disney had no good idea about the direction to take the franchise and people will clap for nostalgia for only so long.
 
Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars, Hamil tried to warn him. The execs at Disney thought he wrote an amazing SW movie, but all he did was write a lecture about the rich and powerful while being a rich guy himself. They have no self awareness.
 
Yes. The whole premise was dumb. We should have seen a gradual decline of the empire (like you see in the manodlorian).

Instead of hey the empire is back while copying the plot from the original trilogy. Was super lazy.
 
Start with a slice of life show of Luke training his grandkids and the next line of jedis just to get the real Hamil in. They can then work forwards and backwards from there.
 
I'm watching Skeleton Crew right now. I think I'm on the 3rd or 4th episode and I'm finding it kind of mid. I found Ahsoka better.

I think de-canonize all of it and just canonize Legends. I had an idea how they could do this by messing around in the World Between Worlds and just going to an alternate universe or timeline where all the old EU shit is back or at least most of it. Definitely, definitely canonize both KOTOR games.
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As someone who doesn't really give two shits about SW one way or the other: make more stuff like Andor. I don't think it's very surprising at all that when the franchise finally tried on some big boy pants and delivered a gripping and grounded narrative with relatable characters and plausible drama, the result really resonated.
 
I always found it funny that when Disney bought the IP, people were super excited due to everyone hating the Prequels at the time. Now almost ten years have passed for the Sequel Trilogy and I hardly see anyone praise the films, they are still shit. I have always hated The Farce Awakens

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I don't hate everything that is Disney Star Wars since there has a couple of things I have loved but I miss the Star Wars when Lucas was in control of. I really loved the direction and how unique the OT, PT and The Clone Wars are especially in setting. And I like that he tend to take risks. As I said before I might like Disney Star Wars but I feel lot of the stuff is just super safe. I did like Maul Shadow Lord when it comes to recent Star Wars. We shall see on that Mandolarian and Grogu movie

Edit - But I found it really funny how they are just aiming Star Wars at everyone in the fanbase not only the OT Crowd but the PT Crowd. As someone who love both but prefer the PT, I remember how Disney was fine with the marketing of The Force Awakens shitting on anything Prequel. I know lot of PT fans who refuse to watch anything of Disney Star Wars due to this. So I think the pandering to PT fans now is rather hypocritical of them too
 
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I don't hate everything that is Disney Star Wars since there has a couple of things I have loved but I miss the Star Wars when Lucas was in control of. I really loved the direction and how unique the OT, PT and The Clone Wars are especially in setting. And I like that he tend to take risks. As I said before I might like Disney Star Wars but I feel lot of the stuff is just super safe.

The Force Awakens is the definition of "safe." Yet, to Disney's credit, it needed to be. Four billion dollars later, the company couldn't afford to take a risk. General audience consensus at the time, as far as I remember, was: "OK. This is Star Wars. It's back. Let's see where this goes."

Unfortunately, given the subsequent "Episode" films - and some of the series - it didn't go to places we wished to visit.

As to what came before:

The prequels are still a mixed bag - to me, at least. I rewatch Phantom Menace hoping to, via new perspective, eventually realize its quality (I have a bin of movies I've seen too many times, given this same approach...Tenet, The Counselor, Miami Vice, etc.). I haven't gotten there, yet. Episode 1 is not great.

Obviously, just my opinion, but: Episode 2 is indefensible - it's a terrible film, despite the inclusion of a few good sequences/ideas. Episode 3: It gets a better reputation than it deserves due to finally depicting Anakin's transformation.

Point being: "The prequel trilogy isn't THAT BAD" is not a solid precedent and should not result in some expectation in terms of holding the sequel trilogy to some impossible standard.

I'm rambling, but the Disney Episode films are not some heinous crime against humanity. They're not good, granted. They can easily be forgotten.

I'm not necessarily happy, overall, with Disney's approach to this universe, but Rogue One is "taking a risk." Solo is "taking a risk" (I like that film, admittedly). Andor is probably the biggest risk. Mandalorian, as a series, is a risk. Aside: The film sequel to it (Mandalorian) is most definitely "safe," though, "safe," only from a content perspective. The film will most likely under-perform and result in the usual, "See! Disney Star Wars sucks!"-bit, regardless of whether or not the movie is any good. I'm not defending Disney, necessarily, but this idea (which is most definitely retrospective), "Lucas never did anything wrong" - is false.

Lucas, himself, sacrificed great storytelling for film tech in the late 90s/early 2000s. Episodes 1-3 are severely lacking, as compared to the original trilogy (again, obviously, my opinion). The narratives are weak and the acting (a lot of it) is atrocious. George gets some new toys and plays with them. Fox pays for it. Dick Jones exclaims: "Spare parts for twenty-five years! Who cares if it worked or not!"

I don't blame him (Lucas). He is, all said and done, one of our great filmmakers. He deserved to do whatever he wanted to do. This does not mean he is above criticism and does not imply he would have made something amazing had he still had creative control over episodes 7-9.

Disney also bought a new toy...an expensive one. They've done some good things with it...and some bad. Let's not get too bent out-of-shape over it. Shouting, "Decanonize! Decanonize!," ain't gonna do nothin.'

Some people do like TLJ. I don't understand those people, but some do! 😂
Funny bit, this. After seeing the film for the first time...well, I didn't really know how to react to it, though I didn't hate it. I ultimately settled on: "Well, it's neat they're trying to do something unique and I'm intrigued by Kylo Ren's attempted alliance with Rey. They killed Snoke, too! Donald Glover: 'Good.' (that character fucking sucked)"

After subsequent viewings, I'm of the mind: there is too much to forgive and, the film: not great.

To the thread's proposition: Han is dead, Leia is dead, Luke is...mostly dead. These things needed to happen, so, let it be and hopefully new creatives will actually conjure new, entertaining stories.

...because, practically, this shit (what has come before) is always going to be canon and the focus should, alternatively, be: "How does this get better?," given the immutable existence of Mouse House's "contributions."
 
I think I might put The Last Jedi as the fastest I've ever hated a movie in the cinema.

The opening skit, and it was a fucking skit, with the phone call/yo mamma thing between Po and the enemy ship (can't remember what the stand in Empire were called now). Anyway, I just sat there thinking what the fuck is happening. What is this shit. Then for the rest of the movie I just found myself getting more and more pissed with it all.

I've watched shit movies in the cinema before, but I just don't think any have ever hit me so fast with their shitness.
 
The opening skit, and it was a fucking skit, with the phone call/yo mamma thing between Po and the enemy ship (can't remember what the stand in Empire were called now). Anyway, I just sat there thinking what the fuck is happening. What is this shit.
Oof. I had put that bit out of memory. Poncho: "Do you remember Afghanistan?"
 
It already is in my head. Honestly I decanonized the prequel trilogy too. Star Wars is just 3 awesome old school sci-fi movies. How cool would it be if they made a new one? Frankly I don't think the prequel trilogy gets enough hate, but it's leagues better than the new trilogy.
 
I want a trilogy of movies set shortly after Return of the Jedi that explores Han adjusting to a life where he has gone from smuggler to a war hero dating a princess, and explores Leia's role as a leader in the rebel movement following Palpatine's death and explores Luke's mission to rebuild the Jedi.

But if all three are doomed to reach where the sequel trilogy took them, what's the point?
 
Fuck it all off at this point and just clean slate in the age of the Old Republic (nobody outside of us gamer/comic/novel-nerds even know this is a thing).

Some of the "legacy" lore building in the Mandalorian series was top notch and really worked to highlight the depth of history that exists in this universe.

We all "know" mainline SW now. We know the tech, the ships, the key worlds, the key races, the factions and frictions.

Ground something altogether new that really opens up the foundations for a new base of storytelling, set tens of thousands of years before the OT.

Use this to build on the mythos, legend and origins of the Force, the Sith the Jedi and some of the more prolific peoples of the galaxy far far away.

& hire some fucking decent directors and writers that actually care about the source material.
 
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The trilogy, while pretty bad, did some important things for opening up the franchise.

The empire, while really bad in many ways, also truly did bring some measure of stability to a galaxy that had no comprehension such was really possible. The jedi were respected because they were powerful, yet they were constantly running about with their policing precisely because they really sucked at control or helping to guide anything that wasn't a jedi. As such, the rebels were pretty much only good at rebelling. Their vision of freedom over control was every bit as rife with corruption and exploitation, but they brainwashed themselves into believing it was somehow not a problem so long as it was within their vision.

The sequel trilogy as well as Rogue One, Andor, Mandolorian, Ahsoka, and even The Acolyte have all been fleshing out this concept. The empire was bad, yet why did it rise? Because the Jedi Order did two very stupid things. First, they created and elevated a centralized power for the Sith to covet in the first place. Secondly, they were so aloof to the realities and needs of the galaxy that the disenfranchised children in their shadow grew bitter. This is what Yoda was getting at when he didn't really care that the last copies of the Jedi Code were being burned.

Something that all those newer creations I mentioned have been getting at is how the Force can move people even without their knowing. Andor shows that freedom, hope, courage and deliverance naturally awakens no matter how much you try to stifle it, and this is the Force in action. The Acolyte shows how similarly how the dark side of the Force can start taking action without any help at all. You see the ambitions of Admiral Thrawn basically trying to use the Nightsisters abilities like a tool and this is like the Jedi Order cultivating their use of the light side, yet this is being contrasted with the young man in the Acolyte who is like a wild sprout of the Dark Side with no respect for such structures because he sees them as inhibitive of how he knows the Force.

All of this narrative is basically making it more possible to write stories where all the components of the franchise can function independent of the "Jedi vs Sith" with their corresponding hierarchies. This is not only good for potential variety of storytelling contexts of different perspectives on different worlds and types of lives, but also to explore more themes in general and maybe start to find some good answers to systemic corruption and exploitation that led both the Republic and the Empire to fail.

So while I may want to emphasize very different things than the newer content has been emphasizing, I do believe that real substantial and quality developments have been within the content and so I want to keep the content for those developments to persist in the directions that are forming. Since it has been dropped here and there through the whole thing, it would be very easy to just pick up on them for a total recentering of focus and development without needing to scrap it all, and if you do scrap it all, you would have to become redundant by repeating them since they are actually addressing the most fundamental weaknesses of Star Wars as a perpetual franchise.
 
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There's a canon Dark Force power that allows you to alter reality. Sith can create new universes with it, pretty much.

Yes, it's real and it is part of the new canon.


Alter Reality was a dark side Force power that could allow the user to reshape reality and fashion a universe of their own. Sheev Palpatine hoped to unlock this ability, craving it in the way that his master craved immortality.[1]
 
Disney should start mining the Old Republic. They wouldn't need to keep digging out legacy characters (how many more times do we need to see Darth Vader, FFS), which would be a massive boost.

Old Republic TV series or films, please.

And scrap the sequel trilogy. Just make a massive animated series of the New Jedi Order.
 
Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars, Hamil tried to warn him. The execs at Disney thought he wrote an amazing SW movie, but all he did was write a lecture about the rich and powerful while being a rich guy himself. They have no self awareness.
Abrams ruined it, Johnson just continued the BS. Force Awakens resetting to Empire Vs Rebellion was the most boring premise possible.
 
It's pretty dead, so I don't see a problem with maybe trying to bring back some of the original fans.

I never got into it, but my two brother-in-laws were born in the early 70s so they were into it. I met my wife at the end of 97 and I believe the newer ones were releasing and they were big.

Assholes made me camp out for tickets. It was awesome.

I haven't heard either of them talk about SW in any manner other than to crap on some shows on something they have. It is in trouble either way, I think.
 
It feels like the fan fiction it is. Not real. Galaxy edge getting rid of Rey and Ren is a smart move. OT and even Prequel characters feel like real Star Wars, especially now
 
These deleted scenes are better than the whole new Trilogy. And you can see why Kurtz was like we just can't do the exact same story again. Trying to blow up Endor.

 
This thread has really made me want to rewatch the OT, except all I have are the original DVDs (with no CGI bullshit) and nothing that plays discs (except for consoles that don't play DVDs) :messenger_pensive:
 
I think you live with the decisions of the Kennedy era and just do what Disney did to the Lucas era but sort of in reverse to move the cinematic universe forward.

A simple pass the baton story from Rey, Poe and Finn to a new crew. Only do it right this time and not embrace the need to subvert expectations.

If your terrible writing leads you to need to resort to time travel and multiverse shenanigans to fix your lore, chances are those very tools that you think will save your cinematic universe will also be the same ones that break it beyond repair.

Time travel and or multidimensional stories require a level of writing and world building that not a lot of....modern writers can handle.
 
nope.

people hated the prequels but seem to like them now.

even if the sequels suck forever just don't watch them again and pretend they don't exist.

if it wasn't for The Force Awakens i wouldn't have even got into Star Wars. Star Wars fans need to get over themselves and stop gate keeping and being so snobbish. It's just some movies about incest, robots, and bears.
 
I read somewhere that PT went through the same thing. People hated it, but about 10 years later people excepted it and some liked it. They said that probably in 10 years people will accept the ST too.
 
i have to admit I don't understand why people care so much about "canon". It's all fake. Literally. They just make it up. And while maybe in the past this canon restrained people from making something that went against it, now they just change the canon. Now they do it for political reasons. Like "erm akshully the Emperor of Mankind was always heckin wholesome and treated women equally!" In WH40K. Look at what the canon holders have done to d&d. Or LOTR as it transferred from someone who actually cared to a bunch of greedy bastards who just want money.

The next step of fandom is rejecting canon and telling Disney, WOTC, whomever to stick it up their ass.
 
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I read somewhere that PT went through the same thing. People hated it, but about 10 years later people excepted it and some liked it. They said that probably in 10 years people will accept the ST too.
yeah. i remember when the prequels came out. they got shit on. now they are loved.

not saying the same will happen for sequels but just shows how dumb people are. it's not just star wars. people hate change or anything new. they'll hate the new thing then eventually warm up to it because part of them realises hating on something you actually enjoy doesn't do any good. maybe i'm old now but in time you start to think differently about things.

i don't think the sequel movies are perfect but i enjoyed them all. as i said above, if it wasn't for them i wouldn't have got into star wars. if i was an "OG" star wars fan i'd just be happy to get more content and bring in new fans. it's always good to see new people get into the thing you're meant to enjoy.
 
There's no way anyone will ever take "Somehow Palpatine returned" seriously, so you may as well de-canonise 'em officially as well. They effectively are already.

If you want a more thoughtful reason, the sequel trilogy exists in narrative limbo: They are reboots, except not because the original characters are featured; Simultaneously they are sequels, except not because they reset the universe and re-tell the story. You can't be a reboot and a sequel at the same time, and if you try you end up with nothing worth paying attention to. Get rid, and take the Obi Wan show with you.

(I guess if you want me to post you just have to mention Star Wars.)
 
Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars, Hamil tried to warn him. The execs at Disney thought he wrote an amazing SW movie, but all he did was write a lecture about the rich and powerful while being a rich guy himself. They have no self awareness.
People who say "Eat the Rich" mean "Eat anyone who makes $1 more than me."
 
Well, yes, absolutely.

At the very least just find a way to rebrand Star Wars I to VI as George Lucas STAR WARS, or something. The abomination that is the ST not only devalues and diminishes, it legitimately turns the whole 6 movies into pointless nonsense. The core foundations of the narrative, the Chosen One prophecy and Anakin's character arc.. nothing matters anymore.

It's a travesty and should be treated as such, divorced from the vision of the artist who originally conceived this space opera.
 
toss the ST in the trash where it belongs. I want EU analyzed and Dark Empire made canon. Kylo Ren is the dumbest character SW has ever had. The worst part is, is that they wasted the precious time we had with the OG cast with the ST.
 
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