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[Scrub Mcgrubb]

It's also funny how many of them also drop other games. Tokido no longer plays Marvel, no one plays SFXT. Xrd and Uniel are much more recent than DOA and Xrd is actually pretty popular. It's not uncommon for people to scale back on the number of games they enter to focus on games they want to win. Gamerbee is really focused on SF now but you can find videos of him playing Julia in T6. Guys like Gamerbee and Tokido are multigame specialist, it's pretty common to see them hop around multiple games. A lot of players in general play a lot of different games, eventually they focus on a select few when it gets later in a games lifetime because you need to be more dedicated to win.

True, it's not like you see Justin Wong or Chris G playing Killer Instinct these days.

 

[SixMachine]

True, it's not like you see Justin Wong or Chris G playing Killer Instinct these days.

Even more hilarious because Justin says he doesn't even practice KI that much on his stream anymore. He admits that he isn't as competitive as other players who stick with it. He did the same thing with MK9, where he won the PDP tournament then dropped it. I wonder if he would do the same thing with MKX. As was said, none of this trend seems to do with anything with the stigma around the game.

edit: Just remembered who it was, they said they would have some $10,000 prize or something for the Microsoft Killer Instinct Championship. Justin won and the $10,000 prize was some handshake with Macklemore.

 

[Ragingnight]

Who plays uniel outside a couple? Flux, footwurk? Lol

And guilty had a big scene and many sf players played the old version. Daigo, floe, marlin, marn, flash, li Joe etc

Doa never really had a serious scene beside 3.1

 

[Boss Doggie]

It's more a perception that Dead or Alive is only focused on bouncing titties instead of good gameplay. Similar to how Mortal Kombat has a perception of only focusing on gore and shock value over good gameplay. Sure, you can have both, but when your series has a reputation for selling purely on fanservice/violence and a bunch of mediocre games, people won't assume you have both.

So it's more of an audience problem then, and honestly even if you try to pander so that their perception would be different, they probably wouldn't think otherwise.

So you're saying that the status quo of sexual presentation in games is just fine, that small steps to improve it is just based on oversensitivity and me, and others who feel the same way, have the problem and we should just go somewhere else and let the tough insensitive people do their thing?

Cool bud, just checking

That's a leap of logic. And again you assume quality = inverse of sexual content.

Do you ever wonder how women might feel watching a game like this?

It has a high amount of females playing the game actually.

Great! Then a soft ban on distracting costumes is directly serving the tournament base. Very adaptive.

It's not decided by the female playerbase but rather few people. Male even.

Right, because if the last year has taught us anything, it's that women love how they're being presented in games

...you're sounding more like Lisa Simpson now.

 

[Scrub Mcgrubb]

Even more hilarious because Justin says he doesn't even practice KI that much on his stream anymore. He admits that he isn't as competitive as other players who stick with it. He did the same thing with MK9, where he won the PDP tournament then dropped it. I wonder if he would do the same thing with MKX. As was said, none of this trend seems to do with anything with the stigma around the game.

The difference is you still have Rico Suave, CDjr, and other "known" players still active on Killer Instinct. DOA 5 had that one Canada Cup with pros... and never since.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

Futile or not, that's not the question. And if you want to go down the "why bother" line of questioning, why bother getting riled up over this if--again--it impacts you and your enjoyment of the game in absolutely no way whatsoever?

Trying to change DoA into something it's not will not work at all. Sexiness in DoA goes far, far beyond the costumes, and people who can't get past that will not be fooled.

The only thing that would help DoA is for people to understand that something can be both sexy (or rather to many, ridiculous) AND serious, and promote that. Because DoA is what it is, trying to hide it just won't work because it's always going to be there.

 

[Ragingnight]

ki was a new game and vastly different from the old.

Doa for 4 main released version had no competive scene.

It's not the boobs. It's the game and scene. Everybody forgets that the doa scene doesn't go to tournaments and has been an issue since doa3.

There was a huge thing with Tom brady and perfect legend back then

 

[SixMachine]

The difference is you still have Rico Suave, CDjr, and other "known" players still active on Killer Instinct. DOA 5 had that one Canada Cup with pros... and never since.

What does that have to do with the stigma surrounding the game though? It's obvious the honeymoon phase for DOA5 is over and it's expected to see pros drop it, as was stated before. Killer Instinct gets more entrants than DOA, more people have an incentive to enter it because it has more competition and a bigger prize for winning.

You can actually check out FSD, they have articles asking people to come out to tournaments. DOA has a large online community but a lot of them don't want to come out. If people who play multiple games see that there is a relatively small turnout, they wouldn't feel like it's competitive enough or rewarding to compete in it compared to something with a much more populated base.

edit: Anyways, if pros are expected to bring people out to tournament, especially if the pros have their focus and "main" other games, the community has a problem. It should be the community going out to these tournaments and supporting it themselves. Not everyone is going to play the game and if they don't support it, it's a cycle where people see it and think it's irrelevant and shrink the community even further.

 

[Brendaddio]

Next week:
Community bans select set of guns in Call of Duty, claims fictional proceeds of weapons manufacturers support social injustice.

 

[ShinMaruku]

Tekken and small. .... in the US sure. World wide? Hell no

Compare it to sf and smash, it used to be much larger but it's settled in it's niche and will never leave it. (Which is fine)

 

[Clefargle]

If the people behind this proposed change were intellectually honest they would be wise to boycott the whole thing. That game is objectifying female and some male characters no matter which costumes they wear. The dialog, psysical measurements of the chars, and the jiggle engine all scream that this game isn't trying to portray people realistically. It's so obvious that I don't see how they sidestep it by blaming the problem on costumes. The difference is, I don't have a problem with gratuitous, fanservicey, indecency. I enjoy it in some games and I've even played Hgames. I can admit that, and still understand why some people don't like it. But I can be intellectually honest about what media I am consuming and not apologize for it. These people are rectifying a perceived problem, but that problem goes much deeper than costumes, If you consider it a problem.

 

[Ragingnight]

Compare it to sf and smash, it used to be much larger but it's settled in it's niche and will never leave it. (Which is fine)

Uh tekken is big in Korea and Japan. Hell yes its big. It was a lot bigger because Capcom stop making fighters until sf4 and namco did during the dark ages

 

[Scrub Mcgrubb]

What does that have to do with the stigma surrounding the game though? It's obvious the honeymoon phase for DOA5 is over and it's expected to see pros drop it, as was stated before. Killer Instinct gets more entrants than DOA, more people have an incentive to enter it because it has more competition and a bigger prize for winning.

You can actually check out FSD, they have articles asking people to come out to tournaments. DOA has a large online community but a lot of them don't want to come out. If people who play multiple games see that there is a relatively small turnout, they wouldn't feel like it's competitive enough or rewarding to compete in something with a much more populated base.

Every other game in the FGC has at least several crossover players from other games... DOA 5 has only one (who happens to play like 6 other games also). Seems like a stigma to me... but just my opinion. I'm not a pro or a DOA player.

 

[Ragingnight]

Every other game in the FGC has at least several crossover players from other games... DOA 5 has only one (who happens to play like 6 other games also). Seems like a stigma to me... but just my opinion. I'm not a pro or a DOA player.

Do you follow the fgc? The problems are bigger than sexy costumes

Doa community never went out and had issues since doa3. They had huge drama with master and tom brady/pl in regards to this

 

[Black_Stride]

I do enjoy DOA, but I won't lie, the sex appeal IS what lured me in years ago and I'm sure that tactic is still working.

I guess thats kinda true, because there are a bunch of people who watch vids of the females and are enamored to see what the game is all about.

For me it was quite the opposite.

This motherfucker:

I saw a high level Ein wrecking shit in DOA2 and was immediately sold, I hadnt played DOA1, but DOA 2s brutality, got me to buy it.

It was one of my first DreamCast games....i havent abandoned the series since.
I was slightly bummed Ein was replaced by Hitomi, but then i found out he was unlockable and i was like damn, i can go Hitomi and Ein tag?

Double sold....DOA5 is the first DOA since 2 that ive really gone with other characters as mains.

Helena fucking Douglas and Chrsitie are now who i use more often.

 

[ShinMaruku]

Uh tekken is big in Korea and Japan. Hell yes its big. It was a lot bigger because Capcom stop making fighters until sf4 and namco did during the dark ages

Tekken is big in arcades, which is a limited market in some areas. I think Tekken was alot bigger regardless of capcom's output. I think there was less legacy and it was easier to get into at those times so they had more new blood coming in. I doubt the 2d 3d crossover is very large.

 

[Ragingnight]

Tekken is big in arcades, which is a limited market in some areas. I think Tekken was alot bigger regardless of capcom's output. I think there was less legacy and it was easier to get into at those times so they had more new blood coming in. I doubt the 2d 3d crossover is very large.

Tekken has been about the same in learning curve for entry since 5.

You would be surprised. Fuudo was vf, ryan hart was tekken. Valle played tekken. Floe was sc. Kayane was doa/sc. Etc etc those were the big names. Sf4 opened the doors for the fgc

Doa had a lot of internal issues as a community since doa3

 

[ShinMaruku]

DOA3 had 3 huge roadblocks, first the competietive scene was under DOA central which is not as organized as FSD, it was exclusive on a console with no fighters and a largely casual userbase (Biggest one)


Bunch now is different from what was during DOA3, which is why you see some growth, I think it can grab a huge ace in the hole by using a first party again, but that's another thing. As for the group you put forth, I find them the minority, most people I know either like one style or the other, very few go into both and some did a the misfortunate thing of going into Tekken tag 2 which needs a masters thesis to be ground level (Boy did some people drop that game quick.)

 

[Purple Cheeto]

Heh.

It's like they're so hard in pretending to make DOA what it's not when the game itself being unapologetic about what it is.

Shame.

It worked for Smash fans.

 

[ugh_the_boot]

*groan* What the fuck is this seriously? Ban the ban I say! Keep using those costumes.

When Soul Calibur V came out I was using Sophitia, I jumped online for a few matches and proceeded to get my ass whooped, so I went into character creation, removed her skirt and went back online and proceeded to win 9 games in a row.

Skillz brah.

 

[Ragingnight]

DOA3 had 3 huge roadblocks, first the competietive scene was under DOA central which is not as organized as FSD, it was exclusive on a console with no fighters and a largely casual userbase (Biggest one)


Bunch now is different from what was during DOA3, which is why you see some growth, I think it can grab a huge ace in the hole by using a first party again, but that's another thing. As for the group you put forth, I find them the minority, most people I know either like one style or the other, very few go into both and some did a the misfortunate thing of going into Tekken tag 2 which needs a masters thesis to be ground level (Boy did some people drop that game quick.)

Pretty much right In regards to doa3 As far as i remember.

Tekken is kinda off. Tag 2 is as hard as 5 in terms of ground game at entry level. The main thing is adding that plus learning a 2nd character.

Also there's more option now.

I like doa from what i watch but wished there was an ultradavid or jchen equivalent to break the game down. There was one baymen/leon player that was good at that

 

[RM8]

It worked for Smash fans.

What? Competitive SSB is played using in-game options (stage and item switches) that were presumably put there to be used. Terrible analogy.

 

[Laconic]

Would those 100+ costumes add up to even a single clothed character?

 

[rockman zx]

This is stupid, they're doing it because they want the game to be taken seriously? Who are they trying to fool, people who know nothing about DOA?

+1, the change should come from the developers not the community banning bikinis. I sense bad press coming from this.

 

[border]

Okay, so here are some of the costumes that are NOT BANNED and totally okay to use in a tournament or Twitch stream:

Honoka Costume 9

Sarah Costume 10 - "Ultimate Sexy Costume"

EVEN MORE NSFW than pictures posted above:
Phase 4 Costume 07

Lei Fang Costume 11

Rachel Costume 10 - Halloween Costume

So we've got one girl with maybe 70% of her breasts revealed, one girl with covered in puprle splooge, one girl looking like she was chained up and sexually assaulted......How is this meant to be "inclusive"? Or to rehabilitate the game's image?

Not only is this ruling toothless because it's a "soft ban" that people can just disregard, but even those who abide by the ban can protest it by picking the dozens of ridiculous fetish-oriented costumes not currently covered. Not that I really think any ban is a good idea, but this ban is such a limp-dicked compromise that even if it fails to produce the desired results its proponents will just claim that the rules just didn't go far enough.

 

[Daouzin]

Why are people comparing items off and stages off in Smash to this outfit ban in DoA?
Outfits don't really effect gameplay, haha.

I also don't understand why people care. If tournament goers want them off, well that's all that matters.

I honestly would be more interested in watching top 8 if the ban is active because I won't feel like a perv watching it when my roommate comes in.

I'm guessing the ban is for people like me that they hope will convert once I start seeing te game streamed.

I think it makes sense and its a Soft Ban, so like, not a big deal. hashtag #LOLInternet.

 

[Timu]

Okay, so here are some of the costumes that are NOT BANNED and totally okay to use in a tournament or Twitch stream:

Honoka Costume 9

I love that costume, did a vid on it for youtube, though I want her bikini outfits.

Also, yeah, it's crazy that isn't banned.

 

[Xevren]

I wish this game had more actual full fledged costumes, I love the fighting in this game but not much for the sexualization of it so I guess I'm in favor for said bans. I'm not really in the competitive scene anymore so eh.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Why are people comparing items off and stages off in Smash to this outfit ban in DoA?
Outfits don't really effect gameplay, haha.

I also don't understand why people care. If tournament goers want them off, well that's all that matters.

I honestly would be more interested in watching top 8 if the ban is active because I won't feel like a perv watching it when my roommate comes in.

I'm guessing the ban is for people like me that they hope will convert once I start seeing te game streamed.

I think it makes sense and its a Soft Ban, so like, not a big deal. hashtag #LOLInternet.

So... looks like you missed the idea of this whole debacle then. First off, it's not "tourneygoers who banned it" but more like a small group of people that didn't consult others. Second the softban, despite being all about optional stuff, still is a bit questionable and looks more like personal preferences than actual "objective" banning.

I wish this game had more actual full fledged costumes, I love the fighting in this game but not much for the sexualization of it so I guess I'm in favor for said bans. I'm not really in the competitive scene anymore so eh.

Apparently revealing clothes or fanservice-stuff aren't costumes

 

[ShinMaruku]

Pretty much right In regards to doa3 As far as i remember.

Tekken is kinda off. Tag 2 is as hard as 5 in terms of ground game at entry level. The main thing is adding that plus learning a 2nd character.

Also there's more option now.

I like doa from what i watch but wished there was an ultradavid or jchen equivalent to break the game down. There was one baymen/leon player that was good at that

After Tekken 5 Tekken left the reservation with accessibility. Tag 2 makes it worse because you need to know 2 characters, the combos and match ups against people who had YEARS to build on. Game was fated to be come arcane. If they make good money I have no problems. Nothing is wrong with them catering to their crowd.

There are a bunch of people breaking down DOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8YTZyZyYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEgrIvcF1l8 It's great stuff.

 

[red731]

Have Mortal Kombat tournaments banned fatalities yet?

Tournaments are competition based - not hand in pants based.
Fatalities are " gory round finishers"/mechanics, that don't have anything to do with how the characters look.

I say this is a good decision. (which goes hand in hand with the recent and onoing "gates")

 

[Vazra]

Pretty much right In regards to doa3 As far as i remember.

Tekken is kinda off. Tag 2 is as hard as 5 in terms of ground game at entry level. The main thing is adding that plus learning a 2nd character.

Also there's more option now.

I like doa from what i watch but wished there was an ultradavid or jchen equivalent to break the game down. There was one baymen/leon player that was good at that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_lBSzV6YWY A good one here that lets you watch the parts you want.

 

[mrklaw]

If one of the girls would be in an MMA outfit like that it likely would be banned though. The bans seems to be purely based on how much skin is shown, and not actually how lewd the costume is. For example are the Nurse outfits apparently all still in.

Edit:Actually, compare these two.




What makes the bottom one more lewd than the other?

Is that bottom costume banned? Just looks like a beach volleyball outfit and looks fine. Certainly way less sexual than any of the examples border posted which are still allowed.

 

[akachan ningen]

what's so offensive about this costume?

 

[thesolidshark]

Okay, so here are some of the costumes that are NOT BANNED and totally okay to use in a tournament or Twitch stream:

Honoka Costume 9

Sarah Costume 10 - "Ultimate Sexy Costume"

EVEN MORE NSFW than pictures posted above:
Phase 4 Costume 07

Lei Fang Costume 11

Rachel Costume 10 - Halloween Costume

So we've got one girl with maybe 70% of her breasts revealed, one girl with covered in puprle splooge, one girl looking like she was chained up and sexually assaulted......How is this meant to be "inclusive"? Or to rehabilitate the game's image?

Not only is this ruling toothless because it's a "soft ban" that people can just disregard, but even those who abide by the ban can protest it by picking the dozens of ridiculous fetish-oriented costumes not currently covered. Not that I really think any ban is a good idea, but this ban is such a limp-dicked compromise that even if it fails to produce the desired results its proponents will just claim that the rules just didn't go far enough.

After reading about this issue from a few different sites and seeing this post in particular, I don't know what's weirder: the fact that some full-formed ninja costumes are part of the ban, the fact that the male fighters in speedos isn't part of the ban, or the above post.
Probably the above post, as it makes me go "what's the point?" It's even worse if there's solid truth to the DOA competitive community having a larger than usual pool of female players compared to other fighting franchises.

Someone earlier made a good point that it's surprising that the TO and the "community" didn't just choose a set number of options that were allowable per character. The Streisand Effect has even gotten to me as now I want to see all the ones that were banned to compare them to what's allowable (and maybe buy into some costume DLC as well).

I fully agree with the sentiment that the way to get more people into DOA has to do with competitive players showing off how good the game is and consistently supporting it/getting others into the gameplay, instead of proudly announcing you're sectioning off a part of the game's subjective problem. A hype DOA5U/LR grand finals at a tournament somewhere brings hope and positivity, costumes be damned. This issue brought doubt and divisiveness. I wish we could poll most of the active community to see if they agree that it's really a problem, or whether the solution seems half-assed or not.

 

[DigitalHitmann]

Not to add fuel to the fire or anything, because this topic and it's stupidity made me rage so hard last night (not a jab at OP or anyone for / against it, just my opinion), but if they're all bent out of shape over normal costumes wait until the 16th when the tearable an rippable costumes come out for Senran Kagura cross over. Then we'll really hear people bitch.

 

[BradleyLove]

I've enjoyed the DOA series since the PS1 but I've always found the bikini costumes to be a bit eh.

Taken Lisa's Venus, it's not even an attractive costume; it looks stupid design-wise and technically (I.e. how it's rendered).

The bikini costumes would be less eh if they ditched the heels but I defo prefer the bikini bottoms/belly top combos. They just look a lot more MMAish and believable.

But yeah, I understand that this soft ban is a bit pointless but despite the inconsistencies, I can see where they're coming from. There's certain costumes in DOA that I'd be embarrassed to pick, especially if my wife walked in while I was playing.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

I'm gonna need pics of these costumes.

This...seriously.

Spoiler

...no seriously.

 

[Diablohead]

Did they make a mistake with the numbers for costumes banned because it's silly to ban/not ban the ones listed above on this page.

At this point you might as well just limit everyone to their main and first alt costume and call it a day.

 

[n00bsauce87]

But what are "oversexualized costumes"?

How can this go wrong?

 

[nynt9]

Let's hide and censor things that don't align with our radical beliefs, how progressive.

Nope. Never. Of course not, that would be silly.

Graphic, brutal murder of humans is fine, but cleavage and sexy clothes are pure evil.

.


Also I'm sure people who already have no interest in the game will be happy with this ban (yay this game we don't care for is less sexualized, victory!), and people who already are interested will probably not care too much or be rather upset. It's a move targeting people who already have written off DOA so there is no point.

The problem lies within Tecmo Koei and this move will achieve nothing except for pissing people off.

 

[Kinyou]

Is that bottom costume banned? Just looks like a beach volleyball outfit and looks fine. Certainly way less sexual than any of the examples border posted which are still allowed.

Yeah, the bottom one should be Costume 18 from Mila which is banned. I think they basically banned any beach wear

 

[fader]

what's so offensive about this costume?

go to page 7

 

[IvorB]

It's funny when DOA 5 launched the pros were interested in the game. If you go on youtube and watch the Canada Cup 2012 DOA 5 grand finals- it was Tokido vs Gamerbee.

I just googled that fight. Some pretty nice looking fighting there to be honest. It almost makes me want to actually sit down and learn to play this game properly. Funny him reaching for Janners when things get tough though ha ha.

 

[Aselith]

Rachel Costume 10 - Halloween Costume

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnVDfhdPcw

 

[system11]

Of course at this point they can't admit what a bad idea this was without looking even more silly, although they really should.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Have Mortal Kombat tournaments banned fatalities yet?

I watched some Mortal Kombat tournaments and I never seen anyone pull off a fatality. Also, I noticed that it seems like a few times they even had a code on or something to disable or shall I say, tone down the blood and gore a little if I remember correctly.


I actually think a costume ban is stupid, but that's just me.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Do you have a statistic on this, where are you getting this from?

Honestly, I meet more female players in DOA than any other fighting game by a country mile. Maybe the outfits, fighting mechanics, number of powerful females characters or something else appeals to them more then we think.

 

[vato_loco]

I understand both sides, really, but I'm still gonna side with the "why even bother covering the fact that DoA is about boobs as well as fighting?".

DoA is a VERY capable and fun fighting game. I enjoy playing it so much, I'm sure I've never played another fighting game so much. Its Triangle System is really fun and simple to grasp, and deep enough that only pros can really make the most out of it. If you don't believe me, try the friggin' Combo Challenges.

DoA is also a VERY sexy game. Every fighter is sexy as balls, and the costumes and boob bouncing help bring that point home. Team Ninja and Tecmo Koei promote the sexiness in the game, and work long hours to make the fighters as sexy as possible, because that is also a pillar where DoA stands.

Trying to deny the sexy aspect of DoA for appearance's sake is... futile. It's all over the place, it's undeniable, it's impossible to conceal. But it does make sense that in a public tournament that is to be streamed and all, you'd want your players to look, say, a bit less like this:

And that's understandable as well, it's one thing to know your game is hot, it's another to flaunt it freely.

But in the end it's still futile because the characters are still right there. Kasumi is still absurdly hot even when she's fully dressed. Hell, it's even obvious Hitomi has a perfect body in her clown costume. Jan Lee is still ripped and chiseled.

In the end, everybody knows that DoA is about the sexy. Showing people via tournaments that it's also about a robust battle system is commendable, but you can't do that by just denying the other part.

 

[Lyte Edge]

I don't really see the point of this. As others have pointed out, the boobage is not what's keeping people from playing/watching this game at tournaments. Is it possibly a reason why some may not take the game seriously? Sure, but that's not going to change by altering what is shown at tournaments. That's just ridiculous.

Meanwhile, all the other games with scantily-clad females are being played with much larger groups of participants and viewers.