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[GuessMyUserName]

They're unrelated, but I can understand why some higher-level members of the community would want to separate them. DoA's image turns people off of the game. That's well known. So if you want to promote high-level play, it might be in everyone's best interest to limit what costumes are going to be available. You want the game to be presented in the best light possible.

The comparison's already been made here before, but it's still true. It's no different from a pro fighter deciding to cover offensive tattoos before entering a UFC ring. You want people to focus on the fighting, not the fighters.

This "soft-ban" will absolutely not accomplish this. Not a single chance in hell of doing anything of the sort.

Sexuality in DoA is far FAR more than the costumes. Putting bans on the game to make it look more "serious" to people who fundamentally do not like its style is worthless.

 

[F0rneus]

No one will ever see the DOA community as a bunch of prudes, lol.

I am right now. If people want to use Bayman in tiny little black swimming trunks to wrassle with Lisa in a tiny Borat swimsuit, it should happen. DoA has fanservice up the wazoo on both sides.

It exists. Hiding something and acting like it doesn't exist to make you look serious, is going to Streisand effect their game.

 

[Mushroomer25]

but the developers very clearly want the players to focus on the fighters. That's DOA's schtick.

its not really something the player base has the power to control. Characters are still going to have giant tits bouncing around. They still will wear porn star tier outfits and squeal when hit. That's just, well, DOA.

It's a series aimed at a very specific horny male demographic, and if you don't enjoy that you probably need to play a different series because it straight up isn't for you.

Still, you'll always have a community determined to transform the game into more than what the developers envisioned. Just look at the Smash community - the developer was outspoken against competitive play for years, yet Melee soldiered on.

If DoA fans want the game to be taken seriously, they'll need to take some things into their own hands.

 

[Mushroomer25]

This "soft-ban" will absolutely not accomplish this. Not a single chance in hell of doing anything of the sort.

Sexuality in DoA is far FAR more than the costumes. Putting bans on the game to make it look more "serious" to people who fundamentally do not like its style is worthless.

Even if it doesn't solve the issue - I think it's important to start the conversation.

 

[Hubb]

No offense, but your word and the word of everyone else invoking, "But the series has TONS of female fans!!" is meaningless. There are either stats to back the claim up or you guys may as well be pulling it out of your ass.

http://www.businessinsider.com/high...carlett-hostyn-8128244-from-30-tournaments-14

Just a quick link I found. A number of those women seem to have played DoA4. Probably worth looking for a more recent link though.

 

[Slamtastic]

Awful.

Maybe people should learn to take seriously as a game something that is sexy, instead of trying to change its identity.

 

[Jarate]

Awful.

Maybe people should learn to take seriously as a game something that is sexy, instead of trying to change its identity.

But I can't show my mother DOA, but I can force her to watch a stream of Daigo kicking ass at Street Fighter!

 

[KojiKnight]

It's a *community* soft ban... they've already said how they feel

No, tournament organizors decided this, not the community themselves. I'm all for tournaments to be run how the organizers want... It's their party, they can set whatever rules they want... But that doesn't mean we can't question them and their methodologies on it. I haven't seen anywhere where they asked the female players their perspective, or the players in general.

Again, there is a difference between being ACTUALLY progressive, and playing big brother protecting other people from themselves.

 

[Squire]

http://www.businessinsider.com/high...carlett-hostyn-8128244-from-30-tournaments-14

Just a quick link I found. A number of those women seem to have played DoA4. Probably worth looking for a more recent link though.

What professionals play/have played says nothing of the audience at large. That metric doesn't work because the vast majority of folks just don't take games that seriously.

 

[Neiteio]

I was looking through the costumes thinking, "These aren't so bad," but then I hit this one:

That's beyond creep territory I'm afraid.

This post is so perfect with your avatar looking at it, haha

 

[GuessMyUserName]

Awful.

Maybe people should learn to take seriously as a game something that is sexy, instead of trying to change its identity.

I love you for this post. So simple, but perfectly how I feel.

 

[Hubb]

What professionals play/have played says nothing of the audience at large. That metric doesn't work because the vast majority of folks just don't take games that seriously.

You asked for examples of pros

 

[Sophia]

What professionals play/have played says nothing of the audience at large. That metric doesn't work because the vast majority of folks just don't take games that seriously.

Not only are you moving the goal posts slightly, Inorigo, but the person you quoted initially was talking about tournament representation. And you just got a link telling you that a lot of them played DOA4 at one point or another.

 

[Eolz]

What professionals play/have played says nothing of the audience at large. That metric doesn't work because the vast majority of folks just don't take games that seriously.

Is there even a link/website about surveys for specific games? Only found some for Starcraft 2 and League of Legends, nothing for Fighting games, apart for a global number, and how there's more harassment problems.
Maybe more female fans/players of DOA at tournaments due to a bigger female roster? Seems to be the case from what I see.

 

[ShinMaruku]

No offense, but your word and the word of everyone else invoking, "But the series has TONS of female fans!!" is meaningless. There are either stats to back the claim up or you guys may as well be pulling it out of your ass.

When you put "No offense" in before your statement, it will start the conversation on the wrong foot. As for the game has female fans, all fighting games have a good amount of female fans. The genre is very diverse. So I would not go about saying people are pulling stuff out of their ass. Have you been to many tournies with this game? Have you been many locals and majors?

If you did you'd have more perspective.

 

[system11]

It's pretty ridiculous, while striving to appease people who just make jokes about the series, they've actually handed them a pile of extra ammunition.

Poking around on freestepdodge, it's also deeply divided the community.

Well done.

 

[jello44]

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[Mr_Antimatter]

I don't see a big issue here, honestly. The series has a rep for being more cheesecake then quality fighter, and using the more modest outfits could put the focus back on the core fighting mechanics of the series.

 

[EastOfEden]

Don't think that one is actually banned though, lol.

SMH.

Man, when I got to the beach and see girls playing in a swimsuit, my first thought is initially sexual in nature. I dont just assume that it's a little girl in a one piece swimsuit, I immediately assume that she's trying to turn on men

Context. If every female in the game wasn't ridiculously sexualised, and Marie Rose didn't have skintight and fetish costumes, and also didn't have disgusting official merch like the mouse pad with her breasts as the palm rest, then yes, I would agree with you. I really don't understand people that can't see she's pandering to a very particular crowd.

 

[ShinMaruku]

It's pretty ridiculous, while striving to appease people who just make jokes about the series, they've actually handed them a pile of extra ammunition.

Poking around on freestepdodge, it's also deeply divided the community.

Well done.

You never go for appeasement. The people who joke will always make a joke. And doing this makes them look desperate.

 

[KyleCross]

This is stupid, they're doing it because they want the game to be taken seriously? Who are they trying to fool, people who know nothing about DOA?

 

[BreezyLimbo]

This is stupid, they're doing it because they want the game to be taken seriously? Who are they trying to fool, people who know nothing about DOA?

Yeah, that seems to be the goal.

 

[Setsuna]

"Recommended list of tournament rules."

so its not even official? and can be completely ignored by everyone

 

[Aizo]

Maybe I should get DoA5...

 

[Ninja Scooter]

If you really want to take a stance or send any kind of meaningful message wouldn't it be better to just not support the game by buying it or holding tournaments in the first place?

 

[Shouta]

If you really want to take a stance or send any kind of meaningful message wouldn't it be better to just not support the game by buying it or holding tournaments in the first place?

They're not trying to make a statement about the game's general sexiness, just trying to keep it focused on the game and matches during a tournament.

 

[RM8]

I am right now. If people want to use Bayman in tiny little black swimming trunks to wrassle with Lisa in a tiny Borat swimsuit, it should happen. DoA has fanservice up the wazoo on both sides.

I mean, in this case, I would say this would be closer to this, than it'd be to this

 

[Vazra]

Maybe I should get DoA5...

OFF/NATURAL/DOA/OMG/LR

There are options.

 

[ShinMaruku]

They're not trying to make a statement about the game's general sexiness, just trying to keep it focused on the game and matches during a tournament.

Ideally the game would do that with itself, but it looks they are trying to appeal to the backroom snipes that should not listened to.

 

[Ragingnight]

well its two messages I get. One is that the players don't want to be distracted while playing and that they want the game to be more presentable at tournaments.

The 2nd one I'm kinda okay with only if the community as a whole agree (and not just the TOs). I'd prefer not but whatever. Can't think of any other fight game community that straight up bans costume for presentability but fine.

the 1st reason I have issues with. Fuck that noise. Its like telling people not to have empty buttons because the button mashes distracts them from actually playing or telling people to not popoff and taunt. Has any reputable SF tournament ban the blanka costume? If you can't focus and that alone puts you on tilt then I'm going to keep doing it.

 

[Primethius]

Ideally the game would do that with itself, but it looks they are trying to appeal to the backroom snipes that should not listened to.

The game doesn't do that though because of the presentation. If they want more viewers, this is probably a good first step. I don't understand why people who might be prospective viewers should not be listened to.

 

[Crocodile]

Interesting. If I was playing at a DOA tournament I inherently wouldn't choose one of the skimpier outfits anyway. It just wouldn't cross my mind so I only assume this "soft ban" was brought about because lots of people were rocking bikinis and speedos on stream? To that end, I think that proposal makes a decent amount of sense

HOWEVER, none of that addresses the inherent sexuality of the series. Considering those sorts of outfits, and even the boob jiggle, are all already optional, nobody who is turned off by DOA's sexuality is going to be appeased with this soft ban. Those outfits still exist, Tecmo-Koei is still producing them (and other merch) and they still sell well. So if I'm going to a business meeting for candy vendors, it makes sense to dress up in my best suit but I'm still selling chocolate (or any random good) and if people don't want chocolate (which is their prerogative), dressing it up isn't going to get people to bite.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Lol, are 'distracting' outfits really a legit tactic in DOA? Legit as in they actually work?

 

[Sophia]

They're not trying to make a statement about the game's general sexiness, just trying to keep it focused on the game and matches during a tournament.

Would you agree then that, rather than an inconsistent soft-ban list as they have now, it would simply make more sense to soft-ban all the DLC outfits? None of the defaults (1-4 for most characters, 1-5 for a few) are on that list anyhow.

 

[ShinMaruku]

The game doesn't do that though because of the presentation. If they want more viewers, this is probably a good first step. I don't understand why people who might be prospective viewers should not be listened to.

If it's the usual suspects of prospective viewers they should not be catered to because they would never want to watch DOA regardless.

 

[Primethius]

If it's the usual suspects of prospective viewers they should not be catered to because they would never want to watch DOA regardless.

I'm a prospective viewer. Why would I not want to watch DOA regardless, unless what your suggesting is that the underlying fighting mechanics are so simplistic that a competitive tournament scene would bring no enjoyment?

 

[Hyun Sai]

Would you agree then that, rather than an inconsistent soft-ban list as they have now, it would simply make more sense to soft-ban all the DLC outfits? None of the defaults (1-4 for most characters, 1-5 for a few) are on that list anyhow.

Yeah, they would have avoided a lot of this mess honestly. Even if I can sympathize with the intent, the handling of the matter is disastrous.

 

[LiK]

don't you want more viewers?

 

[SliceSabre]

The game doesn't do that though because of the presentation. If they want more viewers, this is probably a good first step. I don't understand why people who might be prospective viewers should not be listened to.

Them pretending as though these outfits don't exist by banning them is disingenious because the moment this imaginary audience looks into it they'll see all the tits and ass DoA is known for. The tits and ass has always been a part of DoA. I mean at the end of the day someone watching will still notice how much the girls tits are jiggling regardless of outfit.

Also why should those things be changed? There's honestly nothing at all wrong with a game that provides tits and ass but is also an excellent fighting game as well. If you don't like the sexual nature that's fine, but don't try to change it for this imaginary audience that MIGHT be pleased.

 

[Ragingnight]

Lol, are 'distracting' outfits really a legit tactic in DOA? Legit as in they actually work?

works in sf4 with blanka.

Would you agree then that, rather than an inconsistent soft-ban list as they have now, it would simply make more sense to soft-ban all the DLC outfits? None of the defaults (1-4 for most characters, 1-5 for a few) are on that list anyhow.

they banned some of the debut outfits

 

[IvorB]

I mean, in this case, I would say this would be closer to this, than it'd be to this

Ha ha! She is almost literally wearing the straps of an outfit but just without the outfit.

 

[YianGaruga]

don't you want more viewers?

I'd like to see the stream viewer numbers of a tournament with the OP's rules vs one where exactly the opposite costumes are banned.

 

[SixMachine]

works in sf4 with blanka.

No matter how much people rip on the costumes in DOA, they would never outmatch giant neon mardi gras feathers that double his size. It's the Ivan Ooze of distraction tactics.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I'm a prospective viewer. Why would I not want to watch DOA regardless, unless what your suggesting is that the underlying fighting mechanics are so simplistic that a competitive tournament scene would bring no enjoyment?

I'm talking about the movement to appease the doa shit talkers. They should never be listened to. Other prospective viewers are not the issue. I doubt it's for the usal random viewer and it's more for looking for a hand out from the fgc.

 

[Liferebooted]

Its dead or alive, its always been about the tits. If they don't like it they should go play street fighter or tekken.

 

[Ragingnight]

No matter how much people rip on the costumes in DOA, they would never outmatch giant neon mardi gras feathers that double his size. It's the Ivan Ooze of distraction tactics.

well on the other hand, you have side boobs flipping around in doa. Different kind of distraction but still can be a distraction that is all in game. Fine by me. Are they going to ban taunting and teabagging too?

 

[Primethius]

Them pretending as though these outfits don't exist by banning them is disingenious. The tits and ass has always been a part of DoA. I mean at the end of the day someone watching will still notice how much the girls tits are jiggling regardless of outfit.

Also why should those things be changed? There's honestly nothing at all wrong with a game that provides tits and ass but is also an excellent fighting game as well. If you don't like the sexual nature that's fine, but don't try to change it for this imaginary audience that MIGHT be pleased.

I'm not trying to change it and I don't think its an imaginary audience. I think the game is pretty juvenile with how it tries to attract audiences and I would be more then willing to watch tournament streams of the game that were less so. I don't think that's an imaginary audience but if you think so, I'm certainly not advocating that the developers change the core of the game.

It's clearly these TO's who think they can capture a broader audience by implementing these changes and I can see why.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Would you agree then that, rather than an inconsistent soft-ban list as they have now, it would simply make more sense to soft-ban all the DLC outfits? None of the defaults (1-4 for most characters, 1-5 for a few) are on that list anyhow.

No, that would have made too much sense.

 

[KrM DeLorean]

Graphic, brutal murder of humans is fine, but cleavage and sexy clothes are pure evil.

We're done here.

 

[RM8]

We're done here.

I think both are tacky, personally.