It's criminal that I can't listen to a clean, full version of the Breaking the Wall tune.
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Doctor Who Series 10 |OT| He's Back, and It's About Time
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Spectromixer
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Maybe series 9 and 10 will get a combined soundtrack. :/
Don't forget he was shot too
Dude had a rough ep. Anyway, I think he's meant to be dead-dead before the tear, and the tear is what kind of reboots his regen ability or something. That's why he was talking to himself before he blows the floor... he knows he's not going to survive it and doesn't want to.
What a finale and even followed up well to its first part. One of Moffat's best finales in his worst series. Compelling, emotional, maybe even consequential. Really looked like
It really made you not want to Capaldi to go.
I'm sure the plot falls apart thinking more about it though, there were already several questionable elements for me like the evolved Cybermen suddenly appearing. Bill's fate was the best we could expect from Moffat I guess.
It's a series I unusually may never rewatch but will skip to the finale for.
I don't know if people can still complain about Clara being so OP now in comparison to Bill.
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the Master was dead without regeneration even if it's likely not going to last forever.
I'm sure the plot falls apart thinking more about it though, there were already several questionable elements for me like the evolved Cybermen suddenly appearing. Bill's fate was the best we could expect from Moffat I guess.
It's a series I unusually may never rewatch but will skip to the finale for.
I don't know if people can still complain about Clara being so OP now in comparison to Bill.
Best news.
I'm assuming he'll regain his memory of her
Unknown shape shifting alien ship that could quickly and accurately chase a TARDIS through time.
It may be OP, but at least it was OP from inception.
ClivePwned
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Jenna's back for Christmas! Is it a spoiler when it's announced as part of the PR for the episode? Of course not. If you didn't want spoilers about Doctor Who, you wouldn't click on a Doctor Who discussion thread, would you.? I'm confused
Back to soundtrack talk.
While I like Murray Gold's stuff, I'm about ready for a new musical composer. His work just hasn't had the same impact on me since Capaldi took over. That and the Capaldi version of theme tune is so awful.
I'd love to see Murray take on big action films at some point since his orchestral stuff has so much life to it. A Star Wars film would be ideal
And if you think about it, by now he's probably scored more hours of Doctor Who than Dudley Simpson. While Simpson worked on the show for a bit over 15 years, he didn't score every story in that time
Am I crazy in thinking that The Pilot could, in fact, be a future incarnation of the Doctor, if not the next incarnation? He doesn't know her (which is understandable, as she's from the future) and they share a lot of similar traits. Endless, benevolent explorer, symbiotic relationship with her sentient, invisible 'ship', needs company/humanity. She even knew how to fly the TARDIS. It would tie in nicely in to the rumoured
plot of the Christmas special, along with the First Doctor and Twelth Doctor.
past/present/future
Thread policy is anything announced by the BBC is fair game, unofficial leaks go in spoiler tags.
In this case, that spoiler is still a spoiler because it hasn't been announced by the BBC yet as far as I can tell.
I'm not she was awfully boring.
MHWilliams
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No way Chibnall was going to want to work with someone else's companion. Fresh start.
Finally got around to watching An Adventure in Space and Time. Great production. I know some disagree, but I think David Bradley does a great version of the character. It's not as spot on as I thought it was at first glance, but it captures the essence of the thing.
I wonder how much credit I should give to this dramatization, though. It does seem to make everything rather neat with an emotional bow on top.
I wonder how much credit I should give to this dramatization, though. It does seem to make everything rather neat with an emotional bow on top.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Amazing that it was written by Mark Gatiss. How does the same guy write Sleep No More?
I would say Sleep No More is a pretty good script with the exception of the sleepydust origin which should have been changed. That episode for me failed in the execution.
I think multiple series (2-4) companions have been the exception rather than the rule historically, no?
She had some good moments, but overall wasn't much of a fan personally.
CrimsonFist
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Rose - 2 seasons + a few later episodes
Martha - 1.5 seasons + some Torchwood
Donna - 1 season + 2 specials
Amy (+Rory) - 2.5 seasons
Clara - 2.5 seasons
Bill - 1 season
Bill would probably be the shortest lasting by episode count, even assuming that she's in the Christmas special.
Bill is the ninth doctor of the Moffat era... a character who left too soon after being a highlight of their first season.
Android18a
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Re: Missy. I'm pretty certain she comes right after Simm's master. I'm also pretty certain that if she remembered being pinned against the wall and told to have a spare part for her Tardis, she'd also remember shooting said person in the back a few hours later. Chances are she had some protection against the shot, even if her memories are vague of her Master days.
Still want Joanna Lumley as the Doctor. If the Comic Relief special taught me anything, an older female comedian would make an amazing choice. If she was still with us, I'd like to see Victoria Wood as the Doctor.
Still want Joanna Lumley as the Doctor. If the Comic Relief special taught me anything, an older female comedian would make an amazing choice. If she was still with us, I'd like to see Victoria Wood as the Doctor.
They clearly left it open - the pilot literally said she could be made human again - just atoms after all
I don't think she will be back but it's up to chibnall
WadiumArcadium
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Didn't Mackie say she's spoken to Chibnall? Not that it's confirmation she'll return or anything.
I thought Bill was great. I was sad to see her go.
I thought Bill was great. I was sad to see her go.
Hated that line. Without it, her "death" would be similar to and just as tragic as River's.
BrokenFiction
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I'd like to see Bill come back as a surprise companion mid season or something.
The Elite
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She doesn't need the Doctor when she has the Pilot. The Doctor would be her companion, if anything.
The Elite
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I'm not sure I would. Then again, I am not sure exactly what the Pilot's limitations and abilities are. Something like a Cyberman or a Dalek doesn't seem like it would be a threat to her.
We're talking higher level stuff as she seems more advanced than the Doctor.
Maybe the Eternals or the Black and White Guardians.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
The Pilot vs Moffat
I meant more as a whole in the series since it started, but I think Bill is more notable because of how prolific Amy and Clara were in terms of being ingrained into their respective series (or the mythos in Clara's case). Bill feels pretty incidental comparatively.
No question in my mind that her footprint in the series is at it's weakest. You could argue for a good portion of the season, The Doctor's relationship with Missy took priority over Bill. The overarching plot of the season was the redemption of Missy. They had a nice, subtle little mentor/mentee relationship - but it was by far the least personal of all the companions, even other one-and-dones like Martha and Donna.
BTW, something for the Clara "fans": Her appearance in the Christmas special will put her at 40 episodes, more than Rose with whom she was tied at 39.
Hot Coldman
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Probably the point that Doctor/Missy was more the focus than Doctor/Bill - the Doctor ends up getting Bill turned into a fucking Cyberman because of his willingness to have her help lead Missy to salvation. That's why it stings so much when she gets converted, and why he's so ready to just finally die rather than regenerate when things like that happen.
It doesn't help that Clara was around for four real-life years, and Moffat was clearly reacting to the reaction to her in how he wrote Bill.
Well, unlike Amy, they have the ability to have Clara actually show up.
paradox121
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It's one of the things I love most about the finale - the Doctor tries to do one good thing that he knows may go wrong and it all blows up in his face in the worst possible way. His friends all either die or leave him and he's left alone and dying himself.
Looking back, it's one of the nice recurring themes of the Capaldi Doctor - his need to tinker and try to make good coupled with a blind belief that it'll all work out. It's kind of grim to think that Clara, Bill and Missy all died because the Doctor couldn't leave well enough alone.
peanutbutterlatte
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The Doctor equivalent of calling your ex's name out during sex
Final minute of last night's Newsnight showed a clip of
avoiding the subject of whether they'll be playing 13 in a Youtube interview. More details here:
Spoiler in URL
Highly unlikely to mean anything of course...
Phoebe Waller-Bridge
Spoiler in URL
Highly unlikely to mean anything of course...
The Elite
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You know, I kind of agree. I haven't been excited about Kris Marshall at all. It's not even a white male thing. He just seems like a bland choice. I could be wrong and he could be great.
There have been rumours about Phoebe Waller-Bridge before. I'd be up for it.
Not to single you out, but there's no point in having spoiler tags if people are going to openly discuss the contents of the spoilers. This is all just speculation and not actual spoilers so it's no big deal, but the moment something leaks I know there's going to be people commenting about the content of those leaks without using tags. It's a shame because it makes it that much harder to avoid and have a proper reveal. I could just avoid the thread but I like reading along with the non-spoilery discussion.
The Elite
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It's not a spoiler. At all.
It's bloody speculation based on a maybe from a Newsnight segment.
This is hilarious.
BBC will announce the new Doctor before you ever see the regeneration and the news will be everywhere.
Come on. We've been through this a billion times.
I said in my post that the discussion in that specific example wasn't a spoiler, and that it was speculation. It just made me think of how John Simm's return and
Clara coming back for the Christmas special
I stand by my theory that The Pilot is the Doctor.
acheron_xl
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It's weird that they haven't announced yet. They must be loving holding their cards until the last possible moment.
Or maybe just the tardis .... we know that her personification was a woman and it needs a pilot...
Or maybe a fusion of the tardis and the doctor
They are asking to be leaked =P
Hasn't she denied them before, though?
Or they haven't cast yet...
acheron_xl
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RTD said it's cast and he knows who it is. I mean, they're filming him for the regeneration sometime soon.
funkystudent
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August is when when did it last time.
I can see that happening again.
Do we know when s11 is airing even? Early or late 2018?
I think fall 2018 at the earliest. It's not supposed to start shooting until either fall this year or early next year.
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