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[JordanN]

I thought the average income was way higher than USA. Don't you guys pay $90 for your games? My wife hypes up Canada and wants to move there even though she doesn't know shit about Canada. But hey, you guys get free health care so that's a win at least!

Sadly nope. We make $15,000 less than the U.S while we pay the same rent as San Francisco. It's absolutely devastating.

And regarding free health care, our hospitals are over crowded. People have to get treated in the hallways.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

You pretty much can't get a house where I live unless your rich or you've been working for 20 years. Everyone else is just fucked.

 

[JordanN]

You pretty much can't get a house where I live unless your rich or you've been working for 20 years. Everyone else is just fucked.

My dream right now is to move to the Prairies. They still have affordable real estate that's in the $200k zone.

But the GTA is beyond saving. There's no way in hell am I paying a million dollars just to live.

 

[Ownage]

Even rent in Vancouver for a 2bdrm is almost 4k. That being said, the women are hot, so if you got the money, make some baby mamas.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Kappa

Disgusting.

Those are actually stereotypes. In fact, I blame whatever mass media brainwashing that tried to paint this picture that the rest of the world is completely unlivable.

There should should be nothing wrong with living in Africa or India. These places have their own history and the people should be doing all they can to preserve it.

Here is what the capital of Kenya looks like. It's not all jungles and mosquitoes.

Or in regards to India, I still rather be poor but appreciate having a culture that built this (Taj Mahal).

When people move to Canada from these countries, I actually feel sorry for them. They are giving up their own unique history to join a country that is knee deep in consumerism. Why? Just because they make more money at the complete expense of having no more history to go with it?

Cultural identity is non existent in today's world regardless of the region. Work, look at your phone, eat, sleep repeat.

 

[JordanN]

Disgusting.

Cultural identity is non existent in today's world regardless of the region. Work, look at your phone, eat, sleep repeat.

One of the most soul crushing videos I saw recently was the life of a Japanese salaryman. He works and checks his emails, but barely does any eating or sleeping.

It's like, wow, no wonder people don't have time to raise a family anymore. At 27 years old, how can you do it when your life is consumed by work?



I've talked about the importance of culture and Japan seriously needs to go into overdrive in promoting the family unit again. No Japanese = No more Japanese culture.

 

[HarryKS]

Currency was on par with the US dollar because of oil prices and market crash in 2007-2008 up until 2011-2012.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Biggest problem with Canada is that it's pretty boring, unless you are someone who loves the outdoors. If you love boating, hunting, winter sports, hiking, camping, buying a cottage a few hours away from the city and anything like that, you'll love it.

Go to any foreign country that's been around for a while and you get awesome old architecture, snazzy local markets, more sports other than hockey to watch (OK, Toronto has Jays and Raps too), great resorts/beaches (if you prefer that) etc.....

Other places have great sense of history, construction, style, etc.....

Canada's towns and cities look like they were designed by people who played Sim City making grids with the most boring buildings or cookie cutter glass condos.

It's like all the civil planners and architects the past 100 years are 99% qualified in building stuff fast with all the utilities working, and 1% skilled in art and style.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

One of the most soul crushing videos I saw recently was the life of a Japanese salaryman. He works and checks his emails, but barely does any eating or sleeping.

It's like, wow, no wonder people don't have time to raise a family anymore. At 27 years old, how can you do it when your life is consumed by work?



I've talked about the importance of culture and Japan seriously needs to go into overdrive in promoting the family unit again. No Japanese = No more Japanese culture.

The alternative is to not work and be a hobo. Or work as an animator and make 6 dollars an hour!

 

[HarryKS]

GDP per capita is not reflective of income btw.

Highest mean income is downtown Toronto. Around 55k. But that's driven up by high income earners and not reflective of the rest of the country.

It's how much every individual contributes towards the Gross domestic product.
The US, for all the ridicule directed towards it, is far, far, far ahead. That whole Trudeau or Merkel as the new leaders of the New World when Trump was elected made me laugh at the time. It's even funnier now.

 

[TaySan]

Everywhere where people actually want to live in sucks. You can't afford to live anywhere. Fml

 

[JordanN]

The US, for all the ridicule directed towards it, is far, far, far ahead. That whole Trudeau or Merkel as the new leaders of the New World when Trump was elected made me laugh at the time. It's even funnier now.

I've seriously debated whether I should move to the U.S or not.

The only reason I haven't done it is because I am a nationalist and still love my country. But I know deep down inside, I am only 30 minutes away from another country that has Space Ships, Nukes and cheap food.

But see, I want every country in the world to be like the U.S. No one would have to leave if we all had the same standard of living as the most advanced country on the planet.

 

[HarryKS]

I've seriously debated whether I should move to the U.S or not.

The only reason I haven't done it is because I am a nationalist and still love my country. But I know deep down inside, I am only 30 minutes away from another country that has Space Ships, Nukes and cheap food.

But see, I want every country in the world to be like U.S. No one would have to leave if we all had the same standard of living as the most advanced country on the planet.

Finite resources mean that's impossible. The winters here are a big reason why the country can't really get ahead. The soil's only good for half, maybe a third of the year and moving away from natural resources has stymied progress even though it's for ecological reasons. There can only be one numero uno, and the Americans have it in their dna even though a large swathe of their population can't quite understand it.

Canada, at the end of the day, is alright. If you wanna find work and live a milquetoast life, it's satisfactory. If you have capital, you might enjoy the urban centers such as Toronto. The very bastion of liberal ideology. Also the biggest hypocrites. But that's politics.

 

[JordanN]

Finite resources mean that's impossible. The winters here are a big reason why the country can't really get ahead. The soil's only good for half, maybe a third of the year and moving away from natural resources has stymied progress even though it's for ecological reasons. There can only be one numero uno, and the Americans have it in their dna even though a large swathe of their population can't quite understand it.

Canada, at the end of the day, is alright. If you wanna find work and live a milquetoast life, it's satisfactory. If you have capital, you might enjoy the urban centers such as Toronto. The very bastion of liberal ideology. Also the biggest hypocrites. But that's politics.

If it was up to me, I would push for more Canadian tech startup companies.

Or be like European countries Ireland or Lichtenstein and act as a tax haven. There's still a lot of potential to make money without trying to win the agriculture war.

In fact, another reason I'm weary of our mass migration, is because all the people flooding into the Toronto area has an impact on our environment. All our precious farmland is being torn up to make room for more houses and condos. We shouldn't need a larger population to compensate.

 

[-Minsc-]

In fact, another reason I'm weary of our mass migration, is because all the people flooding into the Toronto area has an impact on our environment. All our precious farmland is being torn up to make room for more houses and condos. We shouldn't need a larger population to compensate.

Being born into a farm, I can tell you it can be hard to want to keep on going.

 

[Son Tofu]

Canadians seem like chill people. Years ago I met this French-Canadian woman. She was stunning. I tried to get it in, but she wasn't having it. She primarily looked like a white woman, but she also had this look like she was part Native American too. I guess you guys have your indigenous Canadians? I'm not too familiar with how that works up there.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Canadians seem like chill people. Years ago I met this French-Canadian woman. She was stunning. I tried to get it in, but she wasn't having it. She primarily looked like a white woman, but she also had this look like she was part Native American too. I guess you guys have your indigenous Canadians? I'm not too familiar with how that works up there.

 

[PK Gaming]

Are you literally now just realizing that Canada is dull, its culture is predicated on a single province (Quebec) and our dollar is pathetic? It's been that way for ages man

Personally, I don't mind it. It's a boring country, but it's safe and peaceful. No gun violence, no broken election, no drama... People leave you alone and it's quiet.

I love it here

 

[Mr Nash]

Another problem with a number of Canadians is that they can't handle criticism. When someone says what they don't like about Canada, folks are like, "Well, why don't you leave, then?" 6 months later when the news runs a story about a brain drain, suddenly these same people are all surprised Pikachu face. There seems to be a lot of Canadians content to suffer mediocrity rather than reflect on the country's shortcomings.

 

[Max_Po]

Disgusting.

Cultural identity is non existent in today's world regardless of the region. Work, look at your phone, eat, sleep repeat.

Don't forget to take a shit...

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Don't forget to take a shit...

You shit at work and get paid for it.

 

[Max_Po]

You shit at work and get paid for it.

Yea, we are allowed bio breaks...

do you shit and sit on it during work in USA ?

 

[Rock And Roll]

I thought the average income was way higher than USA. Don't you guys pay $90 for your games? My wife hypes up Canada and wants to move there even though she doesn't know shit about Canada. But hey, you guys get free health care so that's a win at least!

Every liberal American hears about how great Canada is and how they want to move here because everyone is so great then you get here and find out you can't purchase liquor anywhere except a shitty store that closes at 9 on most days.

People don't even talk to each other here, you smile and say "good morning" to a stranger on the streets and they'll look at you like you're schizophrenic.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Yea, we are allowed bio breaks...

do you shit and sit on it during work in USA ?

No you weirdo.

 

[PSYGN]

 

[HermitSperg691]

 

[GAMETA]

I met two Canadians once here in Brazil. They were drunk and were looking for a peepshow place. I said "a strip club?"

"No, peepshow"

It was 3 am. Deplorable.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Its expensive and generally not worth it, but most of your points are stupid.

 

[GeorgPrime]

Can you say that canada finally "woke" up from a bad dream?

 

[Rbk_3]

How old are you? The CND was always low aside from 2007-2011 when it was close to par. In 2002 it was 62 cents.

I love living here, but I don't live in Toronto or Vancouver. I don't know how anyone afford that.

 

[Rbk_3]

My dream right now is to move to the Prairies. They still have affordable real estate that's in the $200k zone.

But the GTA is beyond saving. There's no way in hell am I paying a million dollars just to live.

We bought in a small town 2 hours from Downtown Toronto in 2016 for 250k for a relatively new detached. You don't have to move to the prairies to afford a home.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I met two Canadians once here in Brazil. They were drunk and were looking for a peepshow place. I said "a strip club?"

"No, peepshow"

It was 3 am. Deplorable.

The fuck were you doing at 3 in the morning talking Canadians?

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Or in regards to India, I still rather be poor but appreciate having a culture that built this (Taj Mahal).

When people move to Canada from these countries, I actually feel sorry for them. They are giving up their own unique history to join a country that is knee deep in consumerism. Why? Just because they make more money at the complete expense of having no more history to go with it?

I don't know bro, that's just a mix of Central Asian and Islamic culture.

As far as Hindustan goes, I'll give it cuisine and military forts. That shit is tight. But even then that's like saying Europe has a coherent, unified culture (it doesn't). India is too regional its culture is all over the place.

 

[GAMETA]

The fuck were you doing at 3 in the morning talking Canadians?

I was with friends in front of a friend's house, we had a barbecue earlier and were chatting and drinking up till late. They saw us and went there...

 

[GAMETA]

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Those are actually stereotypes. In fact, I blame whatever mass media brainwashing that tried to paint this picture that the rest of the world is completely unlivable.

There should should be nothing wrong with living in Africa or India. These places have their own history and the people should be doing all they can to preserve it.

Here is what the capital of Kenya looks like. It's not all jungles and mosquitoes.

Or in regards to India, I still rather be poor but appreciate having a culture that built this (Taj Mahal).

When people move to Canada from these countries, I actually feel sorry for them. They are giving up their own unique history to join a country that is knee deep in consumerism. Why? Just because they make more money at the complete expense of having no more history to go with it?

Nah, you only say that because you're at a higher level of the pyramid and can take things for granted.

It's not even about making more money for the sake of the money, it's about being paid a fair amount for the work you perform.

People in the 3rd world work their asses off and yet, at the end of the month, can't afford nothing. Minimum wage in Brazil is not enough to pay the rent and basic living expenses, let alone some leisure or traveling or investing or buying land...

Then there's better education, opportunity, safety... who cares about culture when your children's future is at stake? Who doesn't want to provide a better life to their family?

It's about that, not the money.

 

[redfirm]

I visit canada a lot of times, i actually love it.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

I sat next to a lovely, hella stereotypical Canadian retired couple on my flight home yesterday. They even said “eh” a lot. Made me think of all places I could leave the US for, it would probably be Canada or Australia...though I’ve only been to Australia and not Canada. I do like poutine though eh

 

[HarryKS]

If it was up to me, I would push for more Canadian tech startup companies.

Or be like European countries Ireland or Lichtenstein and act as a tax haven. There's still a lot of potential to make money without trying to win the agriculture war.

In fact, another reason I'm weary of our mass migration, is because all the people flooding into the Toronto area has an impact on our environment. All our precious farmland is being torn up to make room for more houses and condos. We shouldn't need a larger population to compensate.

Canada does need immigrants. While I can't say whether the standards have changed in terms of who gets in (disclaimer: an immigrant myself, middle class, educated), current rates of demographic expansion (mortality+birth rates) require more people to come in. What wasn't expected though, and it's a pattern noticed elsewhere, was how most migrants, mostly middle class would converge towards urban areas. Coupled with historically rural families being driven by younger members to the urban centers, it makes for new problems which could not really have been anticipated in advance.

Farmland is not what's missing in Canada. The real estate expansion mainly affects urban areas.

 

[JordanN]

Nah, you only say that because you're at a higher level of the pyramid and can take things for granted.

It's not even about making more money for the sake of the money, it's about being paid a fair amount for the work you perform.

People in the 3rd world work their asses off and yet, at the end of the month, can't afford nothing. Minimum wage in Brazil is not enough to pay the rent and basic living expenses, let alone some leisure or traveling or investing or buying land...

I can speak personally of a 3rd world country. I've been to Jamaica two decades ago. While the poverty was obvious, they weren't exactly living in the stone ages. Just about every friends and family I visited did live in a house. Not even an apartment. Even some of the lower income people still managed to own computers and TV's, and this was in 2003...

I also met a lot of business owners. Their wealth was much more obvious. Bigger houses, multiple cars, more personal electronics. I would argue their standard of living matched my Canadian own.

I find it hard to believe that no one in these 3rd world countries can't afford rent. How do they live to the age of 80? If they move to Canada and work the same warehouse jobs I mentioned on the first page, they still couldn't actually a afford a home/apartment here.

Instead, they still have to play by the same rules of capitalism. If you want more money, you have to apply for the jobs that do pay more.

Then there's better education, opportunity, safety... who cares about culture when your children's future is at stake? Who doesn't want to provide a better life to their family?

It's about that, not the money.

Well I would argue they did have that. Using my Jamaica story again, it was a country that use to be a colony of Britain. I do not remember the British ever complaining or speaking of the island as lacking safety or education. It was only after Britain left and the island gained independence did suddenly, crime and lack of education became an issue. In which case, who do we blame for this?

Culture is important because for the same reason everyone wants to move to Western countries for all the good stuff, the truth is, Canadians or Americans or Europeans had to maintain a culture for several hundreds of years that was based around prosperity and scientific progress, rather than just idolizing money.

 

[Super Mario]

Eh, depends on your definition of suck. I mean it is becoming a socialist country, crap weather, expensive cost of living, etc. There are still worse places to live.

I enjoy visiting some of the big cities there. It is a fun time. Never ever would I live there though

 

[Nester99]

JordonN is Madonna apparently

 

[drganon]

A Canadian based hockey team hasn't won the Stanley cup since 1993 either. Get your act together Canada.

 

[JordanN]

Canada does need immigrants. While I can't say whether the standards have changed in terms of who gets in (disclaimer: an immigrant myself, middle class, educated), current rates of demographic expansion (mortality+birth rates) require more people to come in. What wasn't expected though, and it's a pattern noticed elsewhere, was how most migrants, mostly middle class would converge towards urban areas. Coupled with historically rural families being driven by younger members to the urban centers, it makes for new problems which could not really have been anticipated in advance.

Farmland is not what's missing in Canada. The real estate expansion mainly affects urban areas.

It's because all the jobs are in the city. Plus, we're talking ethnic groups that choose to live next to their own. When you look at Brampton, Vancouver, Richmond Hill, Markham, Mississauga, they all resemble enclaves from these countries they moved from. It's not like the millions of people who just got off the plane tell themselves "yeah, I can't wait to go settle Nunavut or the Yukon territory". It's the urban areas that are being overloaded and forces native born Canadians to compete against them for jobs and real estate.

The immigration system in Canada desperately needs correction. It just sucks that any time this topic comes up, people scream "racist" even though what is currently happening to Canada is unprecedented.

I also think in regards to using immigration to correct mortality + birth rates only feeds into the vicious cycle. If the current culture right now focuses on working long hours just to barely afford your apartment + cost of living, then how exactly are we creating a future where birth rates will actually increase? It's more like creating an artificial bandage where immigrants act as taxable drones, untill they either hit 60 years old or get sick in which case, they now become a net negative since who is going to pay for their welfare?

 

[Alfen Dave]

At least Quebec has a strong Cultural Identity.

Montreal is IMO the ony city worth it's salt here.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Our money is worthless:

Seriously, wtf happened? I remember as a kid, I would carry around both U.S and Canadian 25 cents and when we cashed them in, we would joke that the cashier would take the U.S quarters without noticing.
But now flash forward and our money isn't even worth as much as the U.S anymore and it appears it's getting worse.

When were you a kid? Been better, been worse, this is somewhat our normal. It was nice in 2012 when consumer electronics were at cost par (minus the screw you Canada price increase apart from the exchange rate), but before that we're talking more like over 40 years ago.

A strong CAD isn't all rosy though, hurts our export economy, plus if you're holding USD assets like stonks, a stronger dollar makes their value less.

 

[vpance]

When were you a kid? Been better, been worse, this is somewhat our normal. It was nice in 2012 when consumer electronics were at cost par (minus the screw you Canada price increase apart from the exchange rate), but before that we're talking more like over 40 years ago.

Only time I ever bought a console at launch and the price went up a year later, lol.

 

[Amory]

Canada seems like a pretty nice place to live, to me. Never actually been, despite living just a few hours from the border, but I'd like to go to Quebec City, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and Banff someday.

Canadians on the internet are a pain in the ass though. They tend to point out everyone else's issues as if their house is in perfect order. And they really lean into that whole "we're just too nice" stereotype as if it's self-deprecating or something when really it's just patting yourself on the dick.

 

[Kraz]

A person can get comfortable living under the shade of a fruit tree beside a mountain lake. I mostly tell people Canada sucks too. Saying things like "It's terrible." or "You don't want to come here." Refugee asylum law was tightened last year to keep in line with the US safe third country agreement. CANZUK is a terrible idea. No easier paths on immigration. Go to the US. That's where the party is at. USA #1.

 

[JordanN]

When were you a kid? Been better, been worse, this is somewhat our normal. It was nice in 2012 when consumer electronics were at cost par (minus the screw you Canada price increase apart from the exchange rate), but before that we're talking more like over 40 years ago.

A strong CAD isn't all rosy though, hurts our export economy, plus if you're holding USD assets like stonks, a stronger dollar makes their value less.

It seems like it all went downhill after 1976. A.k.a, around the same time this monster was in office.

No surprise his son is also leading us straight into the abyss.

 

[Chromata]

I believe that those who say Canada is a poor mans America are entirely missing the point. If you want to be strongly nationalistic with a more singular identity then yes I can see how America appeals to you. The same can also be said for OPs job market since I can understand how Canada is limited in that sense.

One thing that differentiates Canada from other places is the kindness and diversity of its population. Yes niceness is a cliche part of its identity and it gets kind of overblown, but it's real.

Whatever you might think of immigration, it's pretty damn amazing that Canada has people from all over the world living together and working together every day. It's historically unprecedented. Sure you can say that about other places, but it isn't even close to the degree of Canada.

Canada is also relatively apolitical and uninvolved in worldwide controversies. You don't commonly have large scale civilian attacks or war tensions in Canada.

The healthcare system is also something to be proud of, you have access to the best medical equipment and some of the best professionals on the planet for free. It's easy to point to hallway medicine as a fault, and it's absolutely a problem that needs fixing, but I'll take that any day of the week for what you get in return. It's also something being actively worked on.

The cost of living is getting ridiculous though, definitely agree on that part. Same with economy not being even close to USA which is to be expected.

Just felt like chiming in since I feel like OP is giving Canada an unfairly negative rep, it sounds like you really don't care about what Canada has to offer and really admire what USA does. If so then I really hope that you do find a place you feel more happy in .