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Does Jeremy Parish undermine Ziff Davis' credibility?
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Drinky Crow said:
Only if you castrate yourself afterwards.
And if you have kids, have them sterilized.
Robert Ashley
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Can we just give everyone a job and be done with it?
Drinky Crow
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Don't bring my daughter into this. We have a No Nintendo policy in my household.
UncleGuito
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Then how did it happen? I can't think of any reason worth justifying putting a review in 3 different outlets (other than to make a point). It makes ZERO sense.skip said:
I love 1up in general, but this just pisses me off.
Drinky Crow said:
All you are doing is establishing equally ridiculous criteria. If you review a game and you hate anything like it, it gets a bad rating and you are shortsighted if it's good. If you review a game and you love anything like it, it gets a good rating and you are an apologist if it's bad. You want any N-Fan out here behind the wheel for the next smash brothers? Kid Icarus? Instant 10!
JParish isn't an idiot, I disagree with his review based on my opinions of that series and the opinions i've read of it, and I look foward to playing it. I won't stop reading his reviews because I find they are generally well thought out, just like I didn't stop reading Ebert's reviews when I disagreed with him or thought he just didn't get something.
And to add on Drinky, yes I would want to see you review a touch game, because I feel that even though you hate the dynamics, you still make a genuine attempt to explain why and apply it to that particular game.
Robert Ashley
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It always amazes me that people can get ANGRY and PISSED OFF about videogames. Have you guys seen the newspapers lately? Talk about immersive entertainment...
Greenpanda
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Robert Ashley said:
Losing the argument, Robert Ashley attempts to divert attention and claim the topic he's spent several pages debating is irrelevant...
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Zenith said:
Maybe he likes hating.
Robert Ashley
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Greenpanda said:
No, what we're debating isn't irrelevant, but getting hysterical about it turns me off. I just spent the last two day reading every e-mail in EGM's inbox. It's like have the whole world scream at you for hours. I like things to remain calm and collected, that's all.
UncleGuito
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I hate things like sites owned by rich-bitch Rupert Murdoch more.Reilly said:
*cough* IGN *cough*
skip said:
Which is completely understandable on the reviews editors part (shit happens)... but that doesn't speak well of JP's intentions...
He had to have known he was writing for all three groups since he had to "adjust his style" for each pub... Which suggests JP lacks integrity -- eg. implying that he wanted to show his distaste for the game to as many different people as possible... Know what I mean?
EDIT: Nevermind, just saw your reply.
Greenpanda
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Wait, Robert Ashley is with Ziff too? I think that means everyone defending the UG'n'G reviews in this thread is on ZD's payroll... :lol
Either EGM needs to pare down its reviews to just 2 reviewers, giving 1up an exclusive review, or there should be disclaimers in both EGM and 1up pointing back to each other as a review piece from a common source...
Though I do think that the first option would strengthen 1up as its own viable brand/channel...
Though I do think that the first option would strengthen 1up as its own viable brand/channel...
jetpacks was yes
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Wow, I can't believe this has grown to nine pages. A lot of you must really be bored at work, eh? 
Warlock said:the reviews editor is, literally, the *reviews editor*. not the reviews writer. the reviews editor spends most of his time editing all the reviews that come through his desk. if you've ever had a job like that, you know it's a lot of work, because you're essentally managing freelancers and other writers as well as reviewing their work.
reviewing a game is not like reviewing a movie - you don't just sit in a dark theatre taking notes for two hours. you have to play the game until the end. for some games (JRPGs for instance, or RPGs in general) this can mean upwards of 30 hours.
what else do we do in the office? we now have, during the "slow" season, an average of two to three business trips a week, and people have to get assigned to go to those. we have events like Comic-con, Evo-2K, QuakeCon, PAX as well as official PR events like Atari, Konami, Activision...all coming up this month. I'm looking at the giant schedule of stuff we have to cover and it's seriously insane. it takes people to go to these and time to write them up. And then someone has to plan the coverage, figure out how it's all going to fit on the website.
we also spend a lot of time every day cultivating relationships with PR - responding to requests, emailing to work our coverage plans, negotitating exclusives, etc.
on top of that we still have games coming in, and we're planning for a hugely busy holiday season with two console releases. and we have all the regular office stuff, staff meetings, administrative stuff, etc.
mostly, we find time to play games at home, after work or on the weekends. it is very rare that people here sit around playing games between 9 and 5.
that's the reality of what it's like to work here. so yeah, it makes a huge difference if someone can do double duty to write the review for 1up AND be one of the review crew for EGM, which is now the official policy here. it saves us a precious 20-30 hours a month so we can assign someone do cover a QuakeCon or write previews from Leipzig or whatever.
and we still have time to listen to complaints on message boards and address issues we feel are important, because they are important. you must know by now that we all read GAF and listen to what you guys say... at least, those of you who actually make sense. you know who you are.
Are you seriously an editor? I've taken the time to bold some of the more glaring flaws in your post. Not that I care since I get all your magazines for free..
Anyway, I think it's ridiculous that an individual can somehow be assigned to cover three reviews for the same game in three different publications.
skip said:
You say you all work on the same floor, yet a HUGE mistake like this is supposed to be forgivable? Are you kidding me?
I don't really care about the score in particular since I have yet to play the game myself, but it just seems that gaming journalism has been declining steadily in recent years. Paper Mario's GI review (IIRC), one of the Mario Party Gamecube titles, and now this. Just off the top of my head, too.
snatches said:
They way they do it now doesn't make it really clear that the 1up review and the EGM review are using the same source - I think many would just assume that EGM used a 1up staffer to contribute to the EGM review.
Which is why I think option 1 is better. More text per reviewer that way too.
Hero said:
no, I'm not ****ing kidding you. along with all the sharing and collaborating, we all still have our own respective publications to take care of, and sometimes mistakes are made and things are overlooked/glossed over that shouldn't be. I never claimed anything to the contrary.
Whimsical Phil
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Drinky Crow
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shiiiiiiit. Now that the TRUTH is out I'm leaving GAF for good!
Whimsical Phil
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Well, let's not go nuts here. Clearly that's just a modded PSP emulating Pokemon...right? RIGHT?!Drinky Crow said:
Oh, and just to stay on topic: Ziff Davis sucks!
Just kidding, skip...you knows I loves ya.
I have a suggestion...
Before the 1UP review goes up in a month or whenever, how about having someone ELSE review it and throw Mr. Parish's 1UP review into the waste bin (where it belongs, yes, I own the JP version of UG&G and agree with Mr. Drinky in his assessment of its quality).
At worst, you would then have only 2 reviews by the same person instead of three. It's not ideal, but it is a means of reducing the "damage".
Before the 1UP review goes up in a month or whenever, how about having someone ELSE review it and throw Mr. Parish's 1UP review into the waste bin (where it belongs, yes, I own the JP version of UG&G and agree with Mr. Drinky in his assessment of its quality).
At worst, you would then have only 2 reviews by the same person instead of three. It's not ideal, but it is a means of reducing the "damage".
Kobun Heat
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I think after this thread you should have Parish review it twice on 1up.svenuce said:
chespace said:
My intention wasn't to question his integrity, just point out a few things I noticed from reading his post. If anything, I found it to be amusing.
But regardless, that's besides the point of the thread.
skip said:
While mistakes can be made, I think it does bring Parish's credibility since he never said "Hey, you know I'm doing the same review for the same game in three of our publications?"
Also, if it were me, after this incident I might go out and get a large dry erase board and every month for the games you're reviewing, you might want to write down the names of the writers you assign for each release.
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