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[Jarate]

Does the interneteven understand how to dougie

I believe it is on our best interest to teach the internet how to dougie

 

[Boss Doggie]

Funny thing is that the people who enjoy video games, movies, etc. are consuming media that were once persecuted as well.

And women don't stare at hot guys like they are a piece of meat ?

Ever go see the lines for twilight on opening night ? There were 40 year old women with children that were drolling over the wolf guy who wasn't even 18 at the time.

Having sister a few years older than I , for every Kathy Ireland poster I had she had a mark Walberg underwear poster.

Context though (fictional situation vs. real life situation). Also there are females who consider those women kinda foolish since Bella herself is turned into an object of affection.

 

[eastmen]

What did you wear? Why did you drink? How many sexual partners have you had?

“If you wouldn’t have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you."

God forbid you go to a bar!




Twilight Defense. :lol

how about the count down to the princes of England were legal. They were as big as the emma Watson stuff too.

I was just using a popular example.

Woman are just as big of pigs as men are.

 

[reggie]

Cause that's exactly what I said?

I am sure people who are accused of murder have it bad too.

You were trying to paint rape as a crime that isn't taken seriously, lol, pleeeease. You so much as get accused of it and your whole life is destoyed before the legal process even begins.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

How so , what does medevil Europe shape a young boys view of women when his mother is a college graduate and perhaps the bread winner of the family ? Or when the mother controls the house hold budget ?

If anything the pop culture of the last 20 years or so is going to teach him that men are big man children who play with toys and have man caves while women are smart and sophisticated . The most popular childrens series of the last decade or so depicts one male character as having skills and power past down to him and he succeeds because of what others have set in motion for him , the other male character is there for comedic purpose and the women is the one who succeeds in school by her own hard work.

Mabye its not so much that feminism isn't needed anymore as that we need male suffrage or are fast approaching the need.

I can vote

 

[Devolution]

You were trying to paint rape as a crime that isn't taken seriously, lol, pleeeease. You so much as get accused of it and your whole life is destoyed before the legal process even begins.

Yeah Mike Tyson sure is fucked.

 

[matt360]

I've learned a thing or two about feminism on the Internet. There have even been some decent discussions here on GAF (or at least, links posted to some decent reading material). I've also learned from the Internet that there are plenty of feminists who don't understand feminism.

 

[BocoDragon]

How so , what does medevil Europe shape a young boys view of women when his mother is a college graduate and perhaps the bread winner of the family ? Or when the mother controls the house hold budget ?

If anything the pop culture of the last 20 years or so is going to teach him that men are big man children who play with toys and have man caves while women are smart and sophisticated . The most popular childrens series of the last decade or so depicts one male character as having skills and power past down to him and he succeeds because of what others have set in motion for him , the other male character is there for comedic purpose and the women is the one who succeeds in school by her own hard work.

Mabye its not so much that feminism isn't needed anymore as that we need male suffrage or are fast approaching the need.

I definitely understand where you're coming from. I happen to think male issues need to be more seriously explored beyond the angry "Men's Rights Activists" and the feminists who scoff at any need for such a thing.

 

[Croc]

can't even begin to describe the amount of "I'm not a feminist, I'm an equalist, I want everyone to be treated equally" posts I've seen online/on GAF

ugh

 

[reggie]

Yeah Mike Tyson sure is fucked.

Celebrities as an example? Come on Devolution.

 

[Derwind]

can't even begin to describe the amount of "I'm not a feminist, I'm an equalist, I want everyone to be treated equally" posts I've seen online/on GAF

ugh

Never understood this, its like equal opportunity suddenly lost all its meaning. WTF is an equalist anyways?

 

[Boss Doggie]

Yeah, it forgets the fact that there are biological differences between men and women.

 

[Devolution]

Celebrities as an example? Come on Devolution.

No you come on. You've already basically channeled this into the typical argument that the small minority of rape accusations is somehow in direct opposition of the amount of people raped and sexually assaulted every day. As if the sheer amount of people who have to undergo a physically and mentally scarring process is somehow countered by "but this very small amount of people get accused of a crime they didn't commit." I mean really, thanks for elevating the discussion so we can talk about the persistent problem of rape seriously again.

 

[User 100115]

You were trying to paint rape as a crime that isn't taken seriously, lol, pleeeease. You so much as get accused of it and your whole life is destoyed before the legal process even begins.

It isn't taken seriously. Why don't you actually look at the stuff I posted instead of saying 'lol lives destroyed just by the accusation!'

Because whole towns never cluster around an accused rapists even when there's photographic evidence of the crime.

People don't automatically accuse a victim of secretly wanting it, or saying 'what did you expect, drinking like that?' or of a 'gang bang gone wrong' in a gang rape, even on a forum as liberal as Gaf.

Or hey, maybe football fans really want their school to not be tarnished, so they couldn't give a shit about a bunch of little boys being raped. That never happens.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Feminists are like atheists bunch of the loud minority making the rest look bad.

I personally think there is a big diff between a real feminist and a first year that wants to go on the slut walk to 'make a difference'

 

[ThLunarian]

It's irritating to read these types of threads and see the men downplaying problems that women have, and then seeing women (and some men) downplaying problems that men have.

For fuck's sake, how about we all recognize that both sexes have problems in society, and that they're all valid and could use some addressing? Isn't that what feminism is supposed to do anyway?

 

[jimi_dini]

Most college graduates are women, and yet women make less than men! How odd!

Not so odd anymore after you watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_6v-JQ13Q (and please all parts and not just one)

My first thought when this came up was always: "but wait, if women are infact paid less just because they are women, but do exactly the same work with the same qualifications and the same experience, why doesn't everyone employ women only?".

 

[Race to be King]

Not sure what history has to do with now. I'm sure everyone can look back 200 years or 800 years and understand why feminism became a movement .

Its just that it isn't really valid now.

You're looking at the world from a very narrow perspective. What about issues like female genital mutilation, for example? I won't describe it, but it's monstrous how anyone could do that to a girl and it happens all over the world. That's a feminist issue.

What about the rings of men who abuse vulnerable young girls who've been taken into care, and whom nobody believes because they're seen as troublemakers? One such gang was recently jailed here in the UK, but it took far too long despite the girls reporting it several times. That's a feminist issue.

What about women in parts of the world who don't have the right to vote, or to an education? Should they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

Those are just a few examples; there are many, many more.

It's also worth noting that the concept of feminism didn't even exist until the 1830s.

 

[eastmen]

It isn't taken seriously. Why don't you actually look at the stuff I posted instead of saying 'lol lives destroyed just by the accusation!'

Because whole towns never cluster around an accused rapists even when there's photographic evidence of the crime.

People don't automatically accuse a victim of secretly wanting it, or saying 'what did you expect, drinking like that?' or of a 'gang bang gone wrong' in a gang rape, even on a forum as liberal as Gaf.

Or hey, maybe football fans really want their school to not be tarnished, so they couldn't give a shit about a bunch of little boys being raped. That never happens.

You understand that Male rape goes under reported for the exact same issues.

 

[reggie]

No you come on. You've already basically channeled this into the typical argument that the small minority of rape accusations is somehow in direct opposition of the amount of people raped and sexually assaulted every day. As if the sheer amount of people who have to undergo a physically and mentally scarring process is somehow countered by "but this very small amount of people get accused of a crime they didn't commit." I mean really, thanks for elevating the discussion so we can talk about the persistent problem of rape seriously again.

I haven't actually even mentioned false rape accusations, who is the one channeling this into a typical argument?

Fiction made the argument that rape isn't taken seriously. I made the counter point that rape is taken very seriously, to the point that even being accused of it will ruin your life.

Also sounds to me you want to do away with innocent until proven guilty because 'false rape is small'. Oh, ok, in that case lets lock up everyone and throw away the key. Fuck the legal process.

You are why feminism isn't taken seriously. Right here. Thank you.

 

[eastmen]

You're looking at the world from a very narrow perspective. What about issues like female genital mutilation, for example? I won't describe it, but it's monstrous how anyone could do that to a girl and it happens all over the world. That's a feminist issue.

What about the rings of men who abuse vulnerable young girls who've been taken into care, and whom nobody believes because they're seen as troublemakers? One such gang was recently jailed here in the UK, but it took far too long despite the girls reporting it several times. That's a feminist issue.

What about women in parts of the world who don't have the right to vote, or to an education? Should they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

Those are just a few examples; there are many, many more.

It's also worth noting that the concept of feminism didn't even exist until the 1830s.

They should perhaps start their own suffrage campaign to become free like the one started in the united states.

But I'm strickly talking about in my own country because a lot of the countries you list have a whole slew of other problems that also need to be solved and would likely need a separation of church from state there.

 

[freenudemacusers]

I haven't actually even mentioned false rape accusations, who is the one channeling this into a typical argument?

Fiction made the argument that rape isn't taken seriously. I made the counter point that rape is taken very seriously, to the point that even being accused of it will ruin your life.

Also sounds to me you want to do away with innocent until proven guilty because 'false rape is small'. Oh, ok, in that case lets lock up everyone and throw away the key. Fuck the legal process.

You are why feminism isn't taken seriously. Right here. Thank you.

lol stop

 

[Goody]

Feminists are like atheists bunch of the loud minority making the rest look bad.

I think you can say that about just about anything, including the internet. I think the internet as a whole understands feminism just fine. There's a lot of great folks who talk about the role women have in society and there's a really great conversation going on. It's unfortunate that there are people who feel threatened by it, I wish I could understand why, but I would really like to think they are in a minority.

 

[reggie]

lol stop

lol no

 

[User 100115]

You understand that Male rape goes under reported for the exact same issues.

Erm, yes I do, I even included a case where all the victims were male. Did I say that it only happens to women? But because the majority of rape victims are female, it's a woman's issue. Just like breast cancer. Men can get that too! But because the majority of those that get it are female, it's considered a female issue. Trying to find a cure will help men with breast cancer as well. Just like addressing the issues that rape victims face will help male rape victims as much as women.

I haven't actually even mentioned false rape accusations, who is the one channeling this into a typical argument?

Fiction made the argument that rape isn't taken seriously. I made the counter point that rape is taken very seriously, to the point that even being accused of it will ruin your life.

Also sounds to me you want to do away with innocent until proven guilty because 'false rape is small'. Oh, ok, in that case lets lock up everyone and throw away the key. Fuck the legal process.

You are why feminism isn't taken seriously. Right here. Thank you.

I am honestly not understanding why you aren't getting this. Accused murderers get shit on too. So apparently that means people think that everyone accused of murder shouldn't get a trail?

Rape. Isn't. Taken. Seriously. If you would actually read the stuff I've linked in several posts replying to you, you might understand more.

 

[Devolution]

I haven't actually even mentioned false rape accusations, who is the one channeling this into a typical argument?

Fiction made the argument that rape isn't taken seriously. I made the counter point that rape is taken very seriously, to the point that even being accused of it will ruin your life.

Also sounds to me you want to do away with innocent until proven guilty because 'false rape is small'. Oh, ok, in that case lets lock up everyone and throw away the key. Fuck the legal process.

You are why feminism isn't taken seriously. Right here. Thank you.

Rape is taken seriously because of the few times you witnessed a witch hunt. Uhuh. Not the vast amount ignored by the Catholic Church, in locker rooms, in prisons and against 1/6 in women. Sure.

Also I'm not even going to touch the random accusation of me wanting to do away with due process. Where the fuck you got that I haven't a clue.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

The OP should call the Internet on the phone and straighten this shit out right away.

 

[eastmen]

Erm, yes I do, I even included a case where all the victims were male. Did I say that it only happens to women? But because the majority of rape victims are female, it's a woman's issue. Just like breast cancer. Men can get that too! But because the majority of those that get it are female, it's considered a female issue. Trying to find a cure will help men with breast cancer as well. Just like addressing the issues that rape victims face will help male rape victims as much as women.

But it shouldn't be a feminist issue. It should just be an issue .

Its like saying murder is part of feminism. Yes females are murdered but so are men.

 

[freenudemacusers]

lol no

well, ok, but considering this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73094631&postcount=286

it's just very hard to take your posts in an sort of a sincere manner.

it's almost, gasp, as if you are trolling.

 

[Videoneon]

You're looking at the world from a very narrow perspective. What about issues like female genital mutilation, for example? I won't describe it, but it's monstrous how anyone could do that to a girl and it happens all over the world. That's a feminist issue.

What about the rings of men who abuse vulnerable young girls who've been taken into care, and whom nobody believes because they're seen as troublemakers? One such gang was recently jailed here in the UK, but it took far too long despite the girls reporting it several times. That's a feminist issue.

What about women in parts of the world who don't have the right to vote, or to an education? Should they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

Those are just a few examples; there are many, many more.

It's also worth noting that the concept of feminism didn't even exist until the 1830s.

I'd also like to add that regarding genital mutilation, there's this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/health/report-finds-gradual-fall-in-female-genital-cutting-in-africa.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/07/23/204801608/female-genital-mutilation-on-the-decline-but-still-too-common

Tons of people support genital mutilation, and Egypt is notable as a country where the practice is widespread and it enjoys astonishingly high support, though it seems to be reaching gradual decline. It's alarming. Some of these countries may be attaching themeselves to easily recognized cultural symbols or rites to cope with chaos, poverty, or whatever disenfranchisement alienation modernisation etc.. That being said it's still terrible. It's taken as a fact of life, a regressive tradition that is harmful.

 

[eBay Huckster]

You are why feminism isn't taken seriously. Right here. Thank you.

Are you sure it's because of Devolution, or is it because you're coming into this thread with the mindset of a /r/MensRights poster with this absolutely comical equivocation between false rape accusations and, y'know, the actual incidence of rape committed against all genders?

(And before you go "oh but I haven't actually even mentioned false rape accusations", why else would you bring accusations up if not to try and draw an equivalence involving false reports?)

And it's hard to take you seriously considering you are Devolutions puppy dog. Woof woof.

Yep, definitely the latter reason.

 

[reggie]

well, ok, but considering this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73094631&postcount=286

it's just very hard to take your posts in an sort of a sincere manner.

it's almost, gasp, as if you are trolling.

And it's hard to take you seriously considering you are Devolutions puppy dog. Woof woof.

 

[freenudemacusers]

And it's hard to take you seriously considering you are Devolutions puppy dog. Woof woof.

ahahaha

 

[Keri]

But it shouldn't be a feminist issue. It should just be an issue .

Its like saying murder is part of feminism. Yes females are murdered but so are men.

Of course it should be a feminist issue, since its a crime disproportionately experienced by women. Why wouldn't it be considered a feminist issue?

 

[User 100115]

But it shouldn't be a feminist issue. It should just be an issue .

Its like saying murder is part of feminism. Yes females are murdered but so are men.

Erm....but the VAST MAJORITY of rape victims are women. Hence, it's a feminist issue. Fixing the problems with rape in the justice system would also help men who get raped. I don't understand....if the vast majority of murder victims were women, it would be a feminist issue as well.

well, ok, but considering this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73094631&postcount=286

it's just very hard to take your posts in an sort of a sincere manner.

it's almost, gasp, as if you are trolling.

Making more sense.

And it's hard to take you seriously considering you are Devolutions puppy dog. Woof woof.

Seriously?

 

[Derwind]

Wow, this thread is taking a turn for the worst.

 

[duckroll]

I think the problem with the argument here is that one side isn't really seeing the actual issue. Reggie here is trying to twist the argument into one where expressing disappointment in the way rape is understood and handled by the criminal justice system is the same as demanding for tougher laws. I don't think anyone here is demanding for tougher laws, but rather better handling of the situation. There is a general lack of sensitivity and empathy for rape victims in many social contexts and in different parts of the world because of cultural isses, and the handling of the crime of rape in general could be improved in many ways everywhere in the world.

The most important thing to realize is that there is a strong sense of shame involved for victims in rape crimes. It is significantly different from crimes of random violence or even of murder. Understanding that psychological aspect of it, and taking more care to providing the appropriate approach to handle such a crime such that the victims don't feel shamed or penalized by speaking up is an important step. Making false equivalence arguments and creating strawmen to claim it is not a problem is not helpful.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Wow, this thread is taking a turn for the worst.

OT has gotten to the point with its political and/or issue-based threads where I almost want to outright post "in before sheltered-GAF" and nothing else.

Of course it should be a feminist issue, since its a crime disproportionately experienced by women. Why wouldn't it be considered a feminist issue?

Apparently, the fact that the overwhelming majority of modern feminism aims to lessen the negative impact of these issues on society regardless of what gender is predominantly being impacted by the issue is irrelevant to his argument.

 

[enzo_gt]

Its not just an internet thing. Often highly publicized Internet articles regarding x dumb shit a feminist does equate all feminism with extremist feminism, or at least responses to them do. Sort of an issue feminism has had for many, many decades; there have been groups that have thought the term should be replaced with one that lacks the given reputation, counterarguments that its admitting defeat and taking power away from the movement itself etc.

 

[Jarate]

But it shouldn't be a feminist issue. It should just be an issue .

Its like saying murder is part of feminism. Yes females are murdered but so are men.

I think the issue is that rape is generally done by males, and modern feminists are against the "patriarchal" systems that produce this

 

[Devolution]

ahahaha

Let me rinse you. Buy me shoes.

 

[eastmen]

Erm....but the VAST MAJORITY of rape victims are women. Hence, it's a feminist issue. Fixing the problems with rape in the justice system would also help men who get raped. I don't understand....if the vast majority of murder victims were women, it would be a feminist issue as well.



Making more sense.

You mean the VAST MAJORITY of reported rape victims are female.

We don't actually have a valid numbe for male rape victims and that Is a sad state of affairs.

Perhaps we should be working on making it more socialy acceptable for men to report rape ..... maybe a malenism

Rape is bad and more funding should go to it , but its a sad state of affairs that in 2013 men are afraid to report volient crimes against them in the united states.

 

[Derwind]

OT has gotten to the point with its political and/or issue-based threads where I almost want to outright post "in before sheltered-GAF" and nothing else.

Lol, I'll have to use this one time.

 

[duckroll]

I don't think rape has to be only a feminist issue. I think everyone would agree it's a bad thing and more should be done in general regardless of gender. But I don't think that means that feminists or however people choose to identify themselves cannot also help educate and push for change if the issue affects them. One group having an issue on their agenda doesn't mean no one else can. This isn't an exclusive society right?

 

[freenudemacusers]

Wow, this thread is taking a turn for the worst.

Well for some bizarre reason there are people here and elsewhere who are wholly unwelcome to the mere idea that aspects of our culture are imbalanced in favor for some at the expense of others.

 

[Devolution]

I don't think rape has to be only a feminist issue. I think everyone would agree it's a bad thing and more should be done in general regardless of gender. But I don't think that means that feminists or however people choose to identify themselves cannot also help educate and push for change if the issue affects them. One group having an issue on their agenda doesn't mean no one else can. This isn't an exclusive society right?

It's not only a feminist issue but it seems a certain subset of people tend to congregate and fight rape culture, and those people happen to be feminists.

 

[User 100115]

You mean the VAST MAJORITY of reported rape victims are female.

We don't actually have a valid numbe for male rape victims and that Is a sad state of affairs.

Perhaps we should be working on making it more socialy acceptable for men to report rape ..... maybe a malenism

Rape is bad and more funding should go to it , but its a sad state of affairs that in 2013 men are afraid to report volient crimes against them in the united states.

Women are afraid to report rapes too, and it's very much under reported. I linked to this in a previous post.

Considering that men are afraid to report violent crimes because they might be seen as 'weak' or 'woman like', it's very much a feminist issue.

Also, this happens every time there is a thread about feminism. "What about the men?" is a very, very common thing any time feminism is brought up, and it's kinda telling.

 

[Soodanim]

What I don't get about feminism is why it's limited to females. Equality for everyone seems like the better route to me.

Rape is taken seriously because of the few times you witnessed a witch hunt. Uhuh. Not the vast amount ignored by the Catholic Church, in locker rooms, in prisons and against 1/6 in women. Sure.

I've seen this sort of number before, but I find it hard to believe. It's an absurdly high percentage of people to have been raped, and I hope it's wrong. That said, I'm not sure if that is proper rape, or a wider net including things like inappropriate touching.

 

[eastmen]

I don't think rape has to be only a feminist issue. I think everyone would agree it's a bad thing and more should be done in general regardless of gender. But I don't think that means that feminists or however people choose to identify themselves cannot also help educate and push for change if the issue affects them. One group having an issue on their agenda doesn't mean no one else can. This isn't an exclusive society right?

It depends on how its pushed.

Just look at how its pushed in this thread. I wouldn't want to listen to most of these people talk about the issue. It boils down to Men bad rapists , Women victims , women need protection. Men bad rapists.

So feminism can actually do more harm than good in this instance.

 

[User 100115]

What I don't get about feminism is why it's limited to females. Equality for everyone seems like the better route to me.


I've seen this sort of number before, but I find it hard to believe. It's an absurdly high percentage of people to have been raped, and I hope it's wrong. That said, I'm not sure if that is proper rape, or a wider net including things like inappropriate touching.

Sexual assault is 1 in 3. Rape is 1 in 6.