charlequin
Banned
If you ever wonder why some emulator isn't improving as fast as you'd like and seems to have issues attracting enough manpower to thrive, devs not wanting to deal with exactly this is pretty high up on the list.
Dolphin - Emulating Wii and Gamecube Games
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If you ever wonder why some emulator isn't improving as fast as you'd like and seems to have issues attracting enough manpower to thrive, devs not wanting to deal with exactly this is pretty high up on the list.
Ottoni_Bastos
Banned
Well the snobs and purist are right though...
Elegant solutions fix the problem while "stuff that work" may fix for one or two games but the problem is still there.
TyrantGuardian
Member
Guess we might as well all be playing zsnes while we're at it! Having experienced the difference between accurate and "hacky" emulation very clearly now, I have a huge amount of respect for anyone aiming for accuracy in the long run, even though a late gen system like what Dolphin and PCSX2 emulate are pretty much impossible to reach 100% accuracy with.
I'm on a Mac, so all I can get is 4.0, at least I only found the windows version of 5.0
Dolphin should work fine in Windows 10 as far as I know but I can't say anything as far as specific Bluetooth issues go.
I'm on a Mac, so all I can get is 4.0, at least I only found the windows version of 5.0
The latest OS X version available right now looks to be 4.0-7135 from three days ago. Give that a shot. The OS X buildbot is apparently down right now so they're having issues gettting OS X builds released at the moment.
Check the compatibility list:
- Fortune Street
- Metroid Prime: Trilogy
- Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
- Star Wars Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
- Super Mario Sunshine
- Tiger Woods PGA Tour 12: The Masters
ItsTheNew
I believe any game made before 1997 is "essentially cave man art."
I used the Ishiiruka build for the first time today, thanks for the heads up! I was tired of Mario Galaxy constantly chugging if there were any starbits on the screen when I have 16gb of ram, an i7-3700k, and a gtx 760!
I didn't mention it in my other post but for those who are unaware the first release candidate for Dolphin 5.0 is now out. You can download it here: https://dolphin-emu.org/download/dev/837cbfa4e355f8fed53cf4ff1171197ee05a2100/
Thanks for bringing Ishiiruka to my attention, seems it can play the Prime games without the constant stuttering present in the vanilla Dolphin builds (something to do with shader caching). I wonder if the visor bug is present in that build?
And how does that relate with ishiiruka?
Ishiiruka works the same that official version but without stuttering. Without stuttering in every game. Official version has stuttering in every game. But you can prefer the "elegant" solution because "moral reasons"?.
At the end, when someone download a version of an emulator, does he want to play in the most similar to the original game or does he want to have a program that respects the most of the internal logic of the original machine?
Real games don't stutter in a real Wii.
Why official version allows to improve wii games resolution then?
TheRealJakoozie
Member
Mario Galaxy 2 is maybe my favourite game of all time. I already tried the game on Dolphin on my rig with 2560x1440P and some AA, and it's so beautiful it makes my heart hurt a little.
But, I'm having trouble with controller setups. I've been using an xbox 360 controller, with the right stick simulating the pointer in the wii mote. Which works fine. But I'm like 8 levels in now, and have to do one of the levels where Mario is running on top of a large ball. This requires relatively precise tilt controls, and I haven't been able to figure out how to make it work with my gamepad.
Is there any way to make it work? Or maybe skip the level and alter levels like it? (They're not my favourite anyway.
I suppose could buy a dolphin sensorbar, and use a Wiimote, but it seems kind of a waste for only one game. Especially since I live in Norway (Europe), and don't know of a reasonably priced way to get one to my country.
(And I only have non-motionplus Wiimotes, if that makes a difference)
But, I'm having trouble with controller setups. I've been using an xbox 360 controller, with the right stick simulating the pointer in the wii mote. Which works fine. But I'm like 8 levels in now, and have to do one of the levels where Mario is running on top of a large ball. This requires relatively precise tilt controls, and I haven't been able to figure out how to make it work with my gamepad.
Is there any way to make it work? Or maybe skip the level and alter levels like it? (They're not my favourite anyway.
I suppose could buy a dolphin sensorbar, and use a Wiimote, but it seems kind of a waste for only one game. Especially since I live in Norway (Europe), and don't know of a reasonably priced way to get one to my country.
(And I only have non-motionplus Wiimotes, if that makes a difference)
jediyoshi
Member
I'm only recalling this from memory, but I believe you want to set up a new wiimote profile and make use of the 'Upright Wiimote' option and assign one of the sticks' movements to the 'Tilt' directions. Then it should function like you'd imagine.
Wat, that's like saying someone is more accurate because they can do a math problem quicker using rounding rather than taking their time to get an actual answer.
Because it breaks many stuff in other games, therefore it not being a helpful solution at all. Regarding that third paragraph, those two things you summed up are actually the same underlying mechanic.
Yup, see here: https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index....eCube_Controller_Adapter_for_Wii_U_in_Dolphin
You'll need to install a driver first, then it will work natively. Works well for me.
moniker
Member
It's not because of "moral reasons". It's because they want to keep a good code base, free of nasty hacks (especially when there are non-hacky solutions), which creates an environment where devs actually want to contribute (which is extra important for open source projects). They don't want to become PCSX2.
Thanks! Got it working now. It was so awkward using anything else.
RunWhiteBoyRun
Member
I received my Dolphinbar and GC adapter over the weekend. Damn it's easy to get up and running, and feels great. Definitely worth the investment.
So can someone give me a super basic summary of this "programmer drama" Im reading about and what stuttering has to do with official/nonofficial releases?
I was thinking about downloading this new 5.0 build and using it as the "definitive" edition of Dolphin and having tons of saved games and such. (Basically marrying myself to this update if I cant transfer saves). Should I wait?
I was thinking about downloading this new 5.0 build and using it as the "definitive" edition of Dolphin and having tons of saved games and such. (Basically marrying myself to this update if I cant transfer saves). Should I wait?
From what I understood someone took the official Dolphin release and tweaked it so it can run games with less stutter, however some say that there are some issues due to it not emulating accurately and that it might not be as useful as a general emulator like the original. At least, that's what I understood from skimming the last few pages.
moniker
Member
If you're talking about regular saves (not save states), it shouldn't be any problem to use them across different revisions.
Generally, the people interested in the plumbing (those you call "snobs and purists") are the reason an emulator exists and works in the first place.
You don't get to the point where you can emulate a modern platform at all without carefully weighing the decisions you make not just in their immediate user-visible effect but also their long-term development impact.
For a bit of a technical background, the stuttering comes from each time you use a new shader effect. Dolphin like it is now first has to cache it, which causes stuttering, and once it is cached and used again the stuttering disappears. You can see this effect for yourself each time you load up a game when using a fresh Dolphin version and each time you use a new attack in Xenoblade, for example. Some games are better adapted to this, so if you've played them a few hours to stuttering is almost non-existent. Other games make frequent use of new shaders and require precision control in which the stuttering is hindering the playability of the game.
I think there's a good chance someone will come up with an elegant solution if many people are really complaining about it. For now, they have focused on other things that seemed more important.
KojiKnight
Member
There really shouldn't be any arguing on the subject... The devs want to keep accuracy as the number 1 priority. If you want speed to be a higher priority, there are plenty of available versions that have these unsafe/inaccurate hacks available. That is the benefit to having an open source project like this... You don't have to agree with the original devs and you don't have to use their official version if it's not your preference.
Exactly this. The official team concentrates on accuracy, it's open source so forks can do what they feel is more important.
What's the harm in throwing the speed hacks into the official build as an option? Put them into a separate section with a giant "Warning! While these hacks may not result in any emulation defects that are noticeable to the end user, they nonetheless defile the purity of our impeccably accurate emulation routines and we therefore do not recommend using them" message if you must.
I stopped using Dolphin because of this. I know I could have powered through it, and I did try, but it didn't go away after 40 mins of Mario Galaxy and I just couldn't take it any more. I'd rather play it on the Wii U with uninterrupted 60fps.
Damn, seeing that Android TV version of Dolphin up and running is pretty exciting. Definitely hoping to see some performance improvements there. And hopefully they can get Wiimote + android pairing working properly. Could make Android TV systems the ultimate emulation toys.
Takes time and effort to merge features in that could be spent elsewhere (especially unwise when they're working on finalizing their 5.0 version which is intended to be as stable as can be.)
Also, Async shader compilation can have larger impacts than people give it credit for. Like I said earlier in the thread, using it completely broke the color rendering on Samus's suit in Metroid prime for me. It's not simply a "fix games better" button.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
There are some Nvidia Stream TV videos on YouTube that are somewhat encouraging. For how powerful it is, the games should run better, but hopefully there are huge improvements within the next year.
RunWhiteBoyRun
Member
Because they want the code base to be as clean and accurate as possible. If there are good alternatives that are separate programs, nothing wrong with that. It's not hard to download two versions.
Yeah, there'll definitely be some quirks they need to work out, despite its performance.
Makes me consider just turning one into my emulation station.
charlequin
Banned
There's no actual programmer drama. The official codebase has a design that currently causes stuttering in some games. A third-party fork implements an alternate design that is much less accurate but eliminates that stuttering. The primary devs are fine with it existing but won't merge it back in because they want to keep the primary code free from speed hacks and the like. Anyone who wants can use either version.
Makes the code harder to work with, produces support issues with trying to figure out what settings people are running into some given problem on, requires them to educate people on the meaning of the feature, reduces the likelihood of team members working on a permanent solution to the underlying issue, etc.
So I've been trying to play Monster Hunter Tri on Dolphin. The first thing I need to be able to do is turn off that excessive bloom though before I do some more tweaking. I know there is a fix for it out there (I saw some screens without the bloom in that emulator screenshot thread for example) but I can't seem to find it anywhere online. Anyone want to help me out there? I'd appreciate it!
edit: Nevermind I found it! I'm an idiot, didn't think it would be included in the emulator already. It's under Config > patches for anyone whose as blind as me.
edit: Nevermind I found it! I'm an idiot, didn't think it would be included in the emulator already. It's under Config > patches for anyone whose as blind as me.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I just learned that there are 60 fps patches for 30 fps games?
Only a few unfortunately. Mario Sunshine works pretty good though, can cause some bugs however.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Expected but that's cool as shit.
Triforce141
Member
Isn't it still possible to have 30fps or even 60fps patches to lock games to stable framerates, like keeping Xenoblade or No More Heroes 1 & 2 at a locked 30 no matter how intense the game might get?
SpiceMelange
Member
Is tastunoko working well on that stutter free branch? I couldn't play it much because each time you do a super/special for the first time after booting the game would hang half a second. Really annoying when playing with friends.
FadedRevolution
Member
It works awesome for me. Don't really have too much problem with stuttering at all.
I wanted to play MGS:Twin Snakes but the audio crackling is driving me insane. Have tried all audio modes but nothing seems to help. Does somebody know if there is a fork or something that gets rid of it? Or a special settings combo? Google just suggested changing audio to LLE which didn't do anything for me at all.
I was just struggling with this. Turns out the culprit was the "Enable CPU Clock Override" option that I had enabled for some other game. No audio crackling whatsoever after disabling it.
Also, make sure you are on the latest version (4.0-7159).
Hm, I use the latest build and don't even have the setting enabled
But thanks anyway. It's not too bad if I turn down the volume.
Are you using XAudio2 as the backend? Only thing I can think of right now.Hm, I use the latest build and don't even have the setting enabled
But thanks anyway. It's not too bad if I turn down the volume.
DSound, 2 seconds latency. I tried playing around with the latency but it didn't help either. But I'll play around with the backend, though I doubt it'll help.
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XAudio2 seems to have helped, cheers!
If you change to LLE, be sure to make use of an original DSP dump from your Wii. Dolphin uses a dev made one by default, due to copyright issues, but it's not as good as the original one.
Are you mapping the buttons via the Classic Controller configuration?
"Extension" is missing here with 4.0-6928 (4.0.2. didn't let me play a specific game properly, can't remember which one it was) What am I doing wrong? Any other way to map Classic Controller controls to my 360 controller?
Should I just go for 4.0.2. again? Would my 4.0.-6928 safe files even be compatible?