A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
The Eu health is way more influenced by lobbying and politics, given there stance on other science positions.
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Dont Let These Myths Scare You Away From a Flu Shot
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The Eu health is way more influenced by lobbying and politics, given there stance on other science positions.
See GMOs
You are confusing general legislation with this medical agency. You are also missing that the European Union has authorized the growing of GMO. It is just that 19 countries have opted out, which includes the partial opt-outs for Belgium, United Kingdom. Which usually has them requesting more independent study. So I disagree on your statement, it is simply there isn't much study done in the first place.
No, I got my first flu shot two years ago despite only getting the flu once or twice (and like 20 years ago as a kid) because "it's good for society". I got the flu and got it really bad. Never again.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
The fact that 19 countries opted out is disconcerting.
How courageous of you.
I got my first flu shot in like forever last year as my sister just had a kid. I now realize how stupid I was being. Sure I hardly ever went out in public back then but it was still dumb. Now I work and am among the masses regularly so I need to get it just to make sure. I just hope my new insurance covers the cost if not I'll still get it.
DJ Lushious
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I work in Public Education. I'd be a fool not to get a shot. Those kids are breeding grounds for all sorts of baddies!
Don't really see the point. If there's only 50% chance of it working, I might as well not bother. Flu isn't exactly fatal to a fit adult with decent nutrition.
Not to mention I travel a lot within Europe, so getting the vaccine here, means nothing when I travel for work, or travel to visit family.
Not to mention I travel a lot within Europe, so getting the vaccine here, means nothing when I travel for work, or travel to visit family.
meltingparappa
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There's so much information readily available from such an overwhelming scientific consensus of research and medical professionals, linked over and over in this thread.
But no, please tell your anecdote on how hundreds of studies over decades are all wrong, and how you don't even need to read the op because you have it all figured out.
This thread is why America is going to be made great again (tm).
But no, please tell your anecdote on how hundreds of studies over decades are all wrong, and how you don't even need to read the op because you have it all figured out.
This thread is why America is going to be made great again (tm).
this so much. look at all the super polio we have going around because everyone got vaccinated
Lucian Cat
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I'm a nurse. I get one every year. The flu sucks.
you have no clue how vaccines work and your post basically suggests faith healing
Seth Enosh
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The willful scientific ignorance in this thread is amazing.
I used to not get the flu shot because I didn't know it was recommended for everyone (somehow I got this idea in my mind that one year when there weren't enough shots and they were giving them only to high risk people). I've gotten it every year for the past few years though, once my friend pointed out to me that it's recommended for all and then I did my own research and looked up the CDC recommendation.
It's so easy to get, I just get the shot at the neighborhood pharmacy. And yes, one year I got sick a few months later but I'm still getting the shot because there's no scientific reason to believe they are connected. 50% chance of avoiding the flu is much better than a 100% chance of getting it if exposed. And it helps other people too by reducing the transmission.
MrToughPants
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Eating your boogers > flu shot
Seth Enosh
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The last line of your rhyme is quite true as you may be carrying the flu without symptoms and giving it to other people you know. Good work.
Halcyon
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shiftplusone
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The last two times I got it(the shot, not the flu) I ended up in the hospital nearly dying because of some kind of reaction
I'd like to get the shot but I probably shouldn't
I'd like to get the shot but I probably shouldn't
It is not considering the demand for more studies and the general distrust of Monsanto whose GMO is the one that got approved. For instance, because Monsanto at the moment refuses to release a couple of their studies in uncensored format. The remarks about lobbying are also remarkable considering the GMO does it, with support of the US government.
Please explain how you believe the advice of the WHO and the ECDC is wrong. We have shown enough reference material to demonstrate that flu vaccines are simply not recommended to the people in the typical GAF age range.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Plenty of evidence.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/national-academy-of-sciences-report-on-gmos/
You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Big Baddy Monsanto got bought by a German company!
Already Torn
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At least it explains why so many people around here defend Jill Stein
Herd immunity.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Don't you also have a small child?
Already Torn
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Why should I care about herd immunity when I've never gotten sick before? Maybe immunocompromised granny should get the flu vaccine instead. Plus I've heard that flu vaccines make people MORE sick!!!
I'm not selfish, I'm smart.
From http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs211/en/
educate yourself before you continue to ask other things like "why we still got monkeys" and "how can the climate be changing if it still snows"
SliceSabre
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I get one every year because its pretty much 'free' through my insurance so why not?
meltingparappa
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Yeah, they can't fool me. I looked behind the counter at Target's pharmacy once and saw a reptoid prepping the syringe.
http://www.who.int/influenza/vaccines/use/en/
But you knew that. As even the page you linked a bit lower it says these categories are the ones the vaccines are recommended to.
Yes. You have just won over the ECDC and the WHO with that detailed explanation.
Yes. If Bayer releases the reports uncensored, it would be better.
prag16
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Haven't you heard? There's allegedly no way to boost your immune system other than vaccines.
I actually agree with this sentence 100%. And it directly contradicts a lot of what you say. It's gray, except when the issue under examination is the unassailable sacred cow of the pharmaceutical world (a cow which is not held to the same standards of safety as all other pharmaceuticals).
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
That's a common cold, not the flu.
The flu is characterized by fever, chills, muscle aches, cough, congestion, runny nose, headaches, and fatigue.
You won't be playing much video games.
You can google the term if you don't know what it means.
Bingo!
prag16
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Where is this idea that the immune system is some binary phenomenon, and getting sick is 100% up to luck, coming from? This topic is maybe the first place I've ever seen people assert this. Even among the most hardcore "standard/traditional" medicine advocates.
That's not the flu, that's a cold. The flu kills people. A coworker just recently was describing her friend (mid 30's) almost dying from pneumonia brought on from getting the flu. This is anecdotal but it is a known complication from getting the flu.
And as a fellow parent, i don't even know how could you not vaccinate your children and then brag about it?
Google. The ideal source for all medical information. As I'm saying for the third time now, you will need a stronger argument as you are basically arguing the WHO and the EDCD are negligent in not having everyone vaccinated. Despite not showing real difference in death rates, and without statistics on how influenza death rates changed after the American CDC changed their recommendation.
by being a scumbag dad that would happily get his whole family sick for a week so he can play video games all day
I don't remember the last time I was sick. That was worse case is what I was saying. And not sure how doing research and making a decision based of what I think is best for my family makes me a scumbag dad.
Omegasquash
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My thoughts exactly. I haven't read all posts in the thread, and I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here in that his children are properly vaccinated otherwise. Maybe his issue is with the flu shot itself. I still strongly disagree with his opinion and perspective, however.
I have two young children. My wife is an elementary school teacher. You can all bet your sweet asses that we're getting the shot this year, and every year. That it's not 100% effective and that there might be a mild (relatively speaking) after effect doesn't deter my desire to lower the risk as much as possible.
CitizenCope
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Never got the shot.
I don't get ill very often. So no reason.
I don't get ill very often. So no reason.
Already Torn
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A lot of individuals in those high-priority groups that you mentioned may not be able to get flu vaccines themselves, either because of allergies or weakened immune systems. Herd immunity is the idea that these extremely at risk groups can still be protected by being surrounded by people with immunity, as evidence shows that immunity can be somewhat shared. So your WHO links are a good argument for why you should get vaccinated, unless you really only give a shit about your self and not pregnant women, children, elderly people, and the immunocompromised.
Not the devil, just ignorant. Best case scenario you help increase the chances that susceptible people become seriously ill, worst case scenario you end up in one of those "I was an antivaxxer until my child died" news stories.
prag16
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How do we reconcile this with the idea others were touting in this topic that there are no "degrees" of immune system strength, and that if you are infected you're guaranteed to be down for the count. How can you be infected but asymptomatic.
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