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I wonder that myself. Some people manage to farm insanely fast...

Antimage had the top lane for himself. Literally no harass from Enigma.

He went Midas first, which helps out tremendously over time.

His supports stacked the jungle.

And he picked up some hero kills.

Generally speaking you won't see such a situation occurs in a pub game, but that's how it can happen to you. :D
 
Here is my tips on what to get at the start:

To the point version:

List of thing to get a start:
Healing:
Clarity (50): 100 Mana over 30 seconds. Stop healing if hurt.
Tango (90): 3 charge healing item, eat a tree and heal 115 HP over 16 seconds.
Healing Salve (100): 400 HP over 10 Seconds. Stop healing if hurt.

Stats:
Iron Branches (53): +1 to all stats [19 HP, 13 Mana]
Gauntlets of Strength (150): +3 Strength [47 HP]
Slippers of Agility (150): +3 Agility
Mantle of Intelligence (150): + 3 Intelligence [39 Mana]
Circlet (185): +2 To all Stats [38HP, 26 Mana]

Other:
Animal Courier (170): Makes a Courier who can transport items. Can be used by entire team.
Ring of Protection (175): +2 Armor
Observer Ward (200): Gives sight of a 1600 area.
Quelling Blade (225): For Melee Characters, gives 32% more damage to creeps. Good for Last Hitting.
Stout Shield (250): Has 60% chance Damage Block. Will Block 20 Melee Damage, 10 Range Damage.


How to spend your money:
Buy 1 "Other" item at Max. Your team needs a Courier, Wards help, the other 3 may help you in lane.

Buy 150 - 300 in Stat items. Try to go for Iron Branches before the 150 Gold Stat items.

Buy 200 - 300 in Healing Items. Pick up at least a Tango, but you should have both a Tango and a Healing Salve. Grab some Clarity Potions if you think you will be using a lot of spells.

You can save some money for more expensive items, but please don't some thing like "I will not buy anything so I can get a early Ring of Health"

Long Explained Version:

Stat Items:
For Stat based items, you should be looking a Iron Wood Branches, Circlets, Gauntlets of Strength, Slippers of Agility, and sometimes Mantle of Intelligence. Most of the time, you want to grab simply 3 or 4 Iron Wood Branches, since they give a Total of 3 Stat Points for 53 gold, while the Gauntlet/Slippers/Mantel give 3 stat points in one stat for 150 gold. For a support, a common set up to get is 3 Iron Branches, and Healing Items/Support items. For the roles between hard support and hard carry, you tend to be best off grabbing Iron Branches and Gauntlets of Strength. If you are an Agi Carry, grabbing Iron Branches and Slippers of Agility are usually the best bet. Mantle of Intel is usually only good on Int Based Gankers, and even then on a few characters really should bother picking up the Null Talisman they build into.

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Do Not start with the 450 gold stat items, which are Belt of Strength, Boots of Elvenskin, and Robe of the Magi. They only give 6 Stat points, so you are better off just grabbing 2 of the 150 gold stat items.


Later game items that common starting items build into:
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    Magic Wand: This is 3 Iron Branches, 1 Magic Stick, and a Recipe. The biggest reason to get this is to get your Iron Branches built into 1 item.
  • Special note, for Iron Branches, don't feel bad about simply chucking them. If you are a carry or a ganker, you may want to get only a magic stick and not the full magic wand, or just skip it. The Magic Wand is a nice item, but the magic stick has the bulk of the utility already.
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    Headdress: Headdress builds into both Mekansm and Pipe of Insight, and also gives a +3 Healing Aura. If you are building a Mekansm, pick this part up first if you are finding your self low on HP Regeneration and are often missing HP. Also gets +2 to all stats.
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    Buckler: Builds into Mekansm, Buckler gives +5 Armor, and has an active that gives all near by allies +2 armor. The active costs 10 mana and lasts 25 seconds, so try to activate it when near allies. Each point in Armor effectively gives your 6% more HP when dealing with Auto Attacks. If you are getting a Mekansm, grab this part first if the enemy team has enemies who are able to get a lot of auto attacks off in team battles. Also gives +2 to all stats.

Mekansm is a mid game healing item that is good for supports to pick up (250 Healing every 45 seconds), while Pipe of Insight is an item that puts up an shield on all Nearby allies that soaks up 400 Magic Damage and is a good way to deal with a team with lots of Magic Damage.

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    Bracer, one of 3 sister items. Gives +3 Strength, and +3 to all stats, and +3 Damage.
  • 40px-Urn_of_Shadows.png
    A Quarky Healing item. When an enemy dies near you, you get a charge in the Urn. The Charge can be put on an ally to heal 400 HP over 10 seconds. It can also be used on enemies to do 150 damage over 8 seconds. The item gives +6 Strength and 50% mana regin too.

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    One of 3 sister items, gives +3 Agility, + 3 to all stats, and + 3 Damage.
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    Gives Damage Block. 100% for creeps, 60% for Heroes. 20 Damage for Melee, 10 Damage for Ranged. Also gives 6 Agility.

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  • 40px-Null_Talisman.png
    One of 3 sister items, gives +3 Intelligence, +3 to all stats, and +3 Damage.

Normal Consumables:
There are three items to heal up, Tangos, Healing Salves, and Clarity Potions.

Tango has 3 uses each, and stacks. They heal 115 HP over 16 seconds. You have to wait the entire duration to get the full healing effect, since using ather one within the 16 seconds just restarts the counter. These are best to heal up chip damage you take over time, so that you don't stay with low HP. Tango does not get cancled by taking damage though.

Healing Salves Heal 400 HP over 10 seconds. Best to heal large amounts in a short time. The biggest thing to note, if you get hurt, the healing will stop, so try to stand back while the item is healing. Many Damage over times will stop it from working too, so try not to waste the item because you have a DoT on you. The Item's Healing Stacks with Tango, but not Urn of Shadow's Heal.

Clarity healing 100 mana over 30 seconds. This item will also be canceled if you get hit while it is active, but due to the huge duration, you tend to want to try and get last hits still when it is up, so exercise caution. Most range enemies will go out of their way to hit you and cancel it though, so take caution and use that bit to your advantage. Also, try to remember if you have the item on you when chasing an enemy and you are out of mana.

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Support Consumables:

The two big ones at that start of the game are the Animal Courier, and the Observer Ward. The Courier takes the highest Priority, someone needs to buy one at all costs. Being able to get items when out in the filed is very very important. The other one, Observer Ward, allows you to keep vision on key spots. You really should have this, but its not the end of the world if you don't. But really, get them.

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Support Consumables to get in the early game, but often not the start:

In the first 5 minutes or so, someone on the team should upgrade the Courier to a Flying Courier, which makes it go faster and cuts down on the time it takes to get items.

Situational items for the early game to get are the two Anti-invisibility Consumables, Sentry Wards and Dust of Dust of Appearance. Sentry Wards are static objects that last for 3 minutes, and give sight of invisible units. They can be used to easily counter people who can easily go invisible while in lane (Broodmother, Bounty Hunter, Clinkz, Riki, Sand King, Invoker), or when pushing a lane. They can also be used to try and destroy the enemy wards.

Dust of Appearance is an item that makes all invisible units in a 1050 range be visible for seconds. Best used to counter Shadow Blade, it can also let you chase after other units who turn invisabile. Great for chasing down an Invisible Invoker or Riki.

Don't Stop Buying Observer Wards after the early game, make sure the team keeps getting them all throughout the game, and keep items to counter invisibility the entire game if needed.

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"Other Stuff":

These are items that you will often get at the start of the game to help you lane, or do other stuff. They are Ring of Protection, Quelling Blade, and Stout Shield.

Ring of Protection is a little +2 Armor Ring. Nothing to great, but the reason you get it at the start is that you can't buy it in the side shop, and it builds into two items you may want to get in the early game (Which the part of can be found in the side shop), Ring of Basilius and Tranquil Boots.

Quelling Blade is an item to grab on Melee Characters to make last hitting creep easier. It give you 32% bonus when attacking any unit who ins't a Hero. It technically works on Ranged characters, but is very rarely worth it (12% for range). Also, Quelling Blade is able to cut though trees, a useful little skill that can get you in/out of odd spots.

Stout Shield is an item with a chance of damage block. It has a 60% chance to block damage, 20 from Melee, and 10 from Range. The big reason to get it is to reduce damage if you suddenly get agro from all the creeps, but the damage block do add up with ranged characters. The Stout Shield also build into two other shields, Poor Man's Shield and Vanguard. Poor Man's Shield is a Stout Shield with +6 Agility, and 100% chance block for creep damage (Still 60% for heroes), while Vanguard has a 70% chance to block 40 Melee/20 Physical, plus it gives 250 HP and 6 HP/Second.

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I was completely new to MOBA a few weeks ago. Never played DOTA, and only played a few games of LOL (maybe 5). I stopped playing LOL because I can't stand the kiddy artstyle and character design. So, I decided that I was going to learn how to play DOTA instead. Here is how I did it.

1. Read this: http://www.playdota.com/learn. Don't skip the a single section, read the entire thing.

2. Read this http://www.playdota.com/mechanics. Again, don't skip anything, read it all.

3. Read both this http://www.playdota.com/guides/improving-yourself-in-dota and this http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck. Both are long, but you need to read every word of both.

4. Read both a LICH and TIDEHUNTER guide on playdota.com. Both are very easy for new players to use. You must read the guides before you jump online because the guide will tell you both what you should be doing at each phase of the game and also how to build your character.

5. If you have beta, play some games vs the AI first. I played the first 10 minutes of probably 50 games before I ever jumped into matchmaking game. If you don't have the beta and want to learn DOTA, download the WC3 version. This will help you learn the map, and get a feel for the flow of the game.

6. When you know the map and are ready to play online, rotate between LICH and TIDEHUNTER for your first 30 games or so. You should not be picking a carry because you are not good enough to farm yet. LICH is the easiest support to play and TIDEHUNTER is a very easy initiator to learn.

7. People are going to tell you how terrible you are. Do not be discouraged by this. People who talk shit in online games are both immature and insecure. Simply tell them you are new and trying your hardest. If they continue to talk shit, simply smile inside with the knowledge that they nothing more than insecure children. It's not your fault that you aren't playing well (if you followed the steps above that is). You are new and it will take some time to become decent.

8. If you have beta, use the "Watch" function. Spectate a game with a character you want to learn and set the camera view to "player perspective". You will get to see how an experienced player plays the character and you will learn a ton.

That's the path I took to learning the game, and it has served me extremely well. I am currently 26-30 in matchmaking. Certainly nothing to brag about. But quite frankly, for someone with zero MOBA experience prior to getting into the DOTA 2 beta, I think I am off to a great start. Doing all of the above steps will take quite some time, but then again you are playing a PC exclusive strategy game so you have a decent attention span to begin with right.

Even though I am still very new to this game, I really hope it explodes in popularity. Since I received my invite, I haven't touched Skyrim, Arhkam City (haven't completed the main quest in either) or SC2. This game really is just flat out more fun than pretty much anything else out there.

Oh yea, turn auto-attack off in the options.
 
Lol, just played my first game and went 25-1 with pudge. Just as fun as I remember him. Anyone who used to play HoN in like 2010 still play? I used to be in GAF clan but stopped playing
 
Starting items:

1 Tango, 1 Salve, 4 branches. Save the rest of the gold for Bottle.

Core items:

Bottle
Mana Boots
Blink Dagger

Luxury items:

Shiva's Guard
Assault Cuirass
Dagon
 
For those that are new, instead of a list of heroes to try, how about a list of ones to avoid?

Pudge
Broodmother
Chen
Drow Ranger
Enchantress
Morphling
Invoker (definitely)
Mirana
Dark Seer

There might be more obvious ones I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Mirana(and drow to a lesser extent) doesn't belong on this list. Granted new players should not play carries or semi carries, but Mirana is both reasonably safe to play because of leap and is really easy to farm with, especially after you get a few levels of starfall. I would say Mirana is easier to play than almost any other non support hero in the game.

Spectre is number 1 on my avoid list, probably the hardest carry to play well imo.
 
I am a complete noob when it comes to MOBA type games - I've never played one.. Do you guys think starting with the beta is ok, or should I start with something like LOL since it is a complete game?
 
Dota 2 is pretty much a complete game outside of the missing teaching tools, unported heroes and
microtransaction store
.

You can start with it no problem. I'd suggest reading guides and doing bot matches before interacting with real people, though.
 
I am a complete noob when it comes to MOBA type games - I've never played one.. Do you guys think starting with the beta is ok, or should I start with something like LOL since it is a complete game?

Do you want a trial by fire?

Actually, starting now since a lot of invites went out you do have a decent chance to be placed against those that just got invites as well. This happened when I got mine. Everyone said it was really rough in a game, but my first ~30 games were rather easy for me.
 
Received my invite and installed the game yesterday. I've been kinda burning out on SWTOR anyway. I plan to play a little Saturday.

This will be my first "MOBA" game.
 
Sounds good. Thanks! I wasn't sure if there was anything in DOTA2 that would make it hard to learn. Looks like I know what I'll be doing all weekend!
 
Mirana(and drow to a lesser extent) doesn't belong on this list. Granted new players should not play carries or semi carries, but Mirana is both reasonably safe to play because of leap and is really easy to farm with, especially after you get a few levels of starfall. I would say Mirana is easier to play than almost any other non support hero in the game.

Spectre is number 1 on my avoid list, probably the hardest carry to play well imo.

Leap has a pretty long cooldown and she's pretty squishy, you also need to be able to land arrows consistently. New players should stick to Support, get used to positioning and learning how the game flows, they don't need items and dying doesn't harm the team as much.

Spectre isn't hard to play at all, farm Vanguard, Radiance, and then a Heart and you've won the game unless your team has thrown. She can avoid ganks with Dagger and you need to gank her with 5 or she can Ult and go on someone else.
 
What item should I grab for Tiny?

Depends. I don't really like Arcane Boots on Tiny, i prefer Treads for the Attack speed, stacked with the Cuirass and rather take a Soul Ring and Bottle for the Mana management.

People will tell you otherwise though.
 
I can't find the link/button to signup for the beta (maybe it's closed), but I'm dying to give this a whirl. I never played the original DOTA, but I've played a fair amount of LoL, and I'm really pumped to give this game a go. All the vids look great, and my buddy got beta access and is raving about it!
If only I could find that damn signup button . . .
 
Mirana(and drow to a lesser extent) doesn't belong on this list. Granted new players should not play carries or semi carries, but Mirana is both reasonably safe to play because of leap and is really easy to farm with, especially after you get a few levels of starfall. I would say Mirana is easier to play than almost any other non support hero in the game.

Spectre is number 1 on my avoid list, probably the hardest carry to play well imo.

My argument for Mirana on there is that the arrows take practice to land, as well as timing that leap. Going into Mirana first time, you might just end up pushing lanes and being a built in Smoke of Deceit.

As for Drow, my first time playing this game I played her, and I sucked horribly. Why? She's one of the squishiest damn carries out there. You have to be extremely careful with her.
 
I can't find the link/button to signup for the beta (maybe it's closed), but I'm dying to give this a whirl. I never played the original DOTA, but I've played a fair amount of LoL, and I'm really pumped to give this game a go. All the vids look great, and my buddy got beta access and is raving about it!
If only I could find that damn signup button . . .

Read the op for the link to signup page within steam. You need to have steam installed.
 
My argument for Mirana on there is that the arrows take practice to land, as well as timing that leap. Going into Mirana first time, you might just end up pushing lanes and being a built in Smoke of Deceit.

As for Drow, my first time playing this game I played her, and I sucked horribly. Why? She's one of the squishiest damn carries out there. You have to be extremely careful with her.

Drow is really item dependent, that's why she's not really a great character to start with. She is easy to play once you know what to do since you only have to worry about frost and silence.

So yeah, I'd say she's a good carry to start with after you learn the basics.
 
Drow is really item dependent, that's why she's not really a great character to start with. She is easy to play once you know what to do since you only have to worry about frost and silence.

So yeah, I'd say she's a good carry to start with after you learn the basics.

Pretty poor attack animation, and no escape? You'd be better with something like Viper who has far more survivability.
 
Sup #2

Goddamn Clinkz is a beast. We were losing that one for a while as well.

I watched a bit of that, for some reason you didn't have your Orb on half the time, and you could jump so many people but didn't.

Also this isn't the LoL thread.
 
I watched a bit of that, for some reason you didn't have your Orb on for half the time, and you could jump so many people but didn't. Also this isn't the LoL thread.

The Orb doesn't stack with MKB apparently. Nor with crits. So wait....when I post scr's of doing well it's not ok? :(
 
Leap has a pretty long cooldown and she's pretty squishy, you also need to be able to land arrows consistently. New players should stick to Support, get used to positioning and learning how the game flows, they don't need items and dying doesn't harm the team as much.

Spectre isn't hard to play at all, farm Vanguard, Radiance, and then a Heart and you've won the game unless your team has thrown. She can avoid ganks with Dagger and you need to gank her with 5 or she can Ult and go on someone else.

Sure spectre isn't hard after you've farmed vanguard and radiance, but it's hard to get to that point..

Part of it is probably just that I've never gotten the timing of last hitting with spectre down completely with her wonky ass wide backswing, but she is a melee hero without any true escape abilities that work in open terrain, and any inexperienced player playing her is going to get shut down completely. Plus effective use of her ult requires multitasking and map awareness that is well above what most new players would have.

I agree with new players sticking with support, just saying that Mirana isn't the worst hero a new player could play.
 
Eh, I don't even agree with the "new players should play support" thing. Playing good support is quite hard. Isn't it more intuitive for a newcomer to pick someone who is supposed to last hit and get in the thick of it?

Call me crazy but I believe Antimage is the one newer players should practice with. Excellent BAS, built-in escape mechanism, built-in resistance, I find it to be quite straightforward to play.

Playing a good support is not easy. Creep pulling, warding, denying (which is the same as last hitting really), harassing...I believe you can get all the fundamentals by trying your hands at Antimage, except you'd have more fun playing him than playing say, Crystal Maiden.

TL:DR : Basically newer players should just play whoever they want, save for a few select "gimmick" heroes (Invoker, Tinker on top of my head) or junglers. You'll have to learn all the heroes anyways and you won't get there without getting crushed in the process, so you might as well pick heroes that look interesting to you despite them being "Gankers" and "Carry" and "Pushers" and stuff and look up the OP guides in the process!.
 
I just started messing around with the game and I've found that the HUD just seems to take up way too much screen real estate. Is there some place in the setting or a mod to adjust it?
 
Down one set of racks then made it one each then lost another set only to win a team fight and take the throne to win the game, pretty epic game.
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Borrowing a friend's beta, TIL Clinkz and Clockwerk are a good combo.
Power Cog.

So I was laning Clockwerk against Tinker and naturally it was a Robo Battle Royale X
LOL Clockwerk:
"Tinker, You were like a brother to me!!!"
when Tinker got me.
 
huskar was fed, top lane who knew brood was such a bad ass, bottom lane tide was derping i hate a poor tide, he needs items to tank after ravage.




courier with flip flops MVP
 
huskar was fed, top lane who knew brood was such a bad ass, bottom lane tide was derping i hate a poor tide, he needs items to tank after ravage.
courier with flip flops MVP
Courrier has flipflops? So that's what Tobi was laughing about haha. That is rather cute.
 
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