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Dota 2 Beta Thread: [Brewmaster]
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the fuck. How could u forget the delicious Jalapeno Tuna Footlong!?!?
Gully State
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DP at #1 makes sense but Vengeful Spirit at #2? The heck?
SHIT. I DIDN'T KNOW
It can make sense.
Assuming it really goes by some degree of measure that is unrelated to wins and losses, you can have a high score with a hero despite a poor record if you play that hero better than the average player, since it's all based around "how well people do with X hero".
I feel they should just remove the W/L from that chart and it will be fine. I assume it's way more complex than just highest W/L so having it there just confuses people. The description is quite clear on that it's comparing you to other people though so people should read more carefully.
PillowKnight
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You're being compared to players near your skill level, could have something to do with it.
My top two are weird too 5-13 morphling followed by 2-9 dark seer, whatever stats it is valve is tracking is a huge mystery.
Get good pillow, picks op heroes and lose game. I think it tracks your current form with heroes so you must have played DS recently, twice maybe and won both of them? so you were 0-9 DS before. lol.
Man, it really is true what the Internet says about Russians. Hurray for muting half the team!
Quick question: I read that Lion's Earth Spikes travel farther if you target the ground instead of the heroes. Is this true or am I being trolled? I didn't find anything on the Dota 2 wiki.
Quick question: I read that Lion's Earth Spikes travel farther if you target the ground instead of the heroes. Is this true or am I being trolled? I didn't find anything on the Dota 2 wiki.
If you click on a hero it casts it so you hit them with the middle of the stun (roughly), but casting on the ground it casts from the point you click.
Gully State
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I probably should mention that as VS I feed pretty heavily and play her way too conservatively...
Ah, I see. That makes sense. I was getting yelled at for missing it since it can target heroes, but I'd rather do poorly now if it allows me to get into better habits. It was my second game as the hero so I thought I did well all things considered.
Have you changed the graphic settings? For some reason this patch defaulted them down to low for me.
I already had them running on low (I'm playing on a shitty laptop) but they look considerably worse / less crisp.
I played Pudge again last night, I got first blood and the next 2/3 kills for my team, and ended up with like 15 kills total, most kills of the game and a ton of assists etc as well. Plus we won. But I notice that the second you miss 1 hook the entire team calls you bad. Pudge is my main hero, I know how to play him and how to hook right, misses happen. Why do pub idiots immediately say you are bad? I don't get it, have they never played Pudge them selfs or something?
It's pretty funny though, this game it was a Bounty Hunter saying it of all heroes. Just wonder why pub people think 1 missed hook means you are bad sometimes. But then again pubs are filled with trash anyway.
It's pretty funny though, this game it was a Bounty Hunter saying it of all heroes. Just wonder why pub people think 1 missed hook means you are bad sometimes. But then again pubs are filled with trash anyway.
Schweinehund
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Pubs bein pubs.
Same deal with all skillshots, especially mirana arrows. Rarely will you get praised for excellent hooks or arrows. Though there are some missed hooks or arrows where it seemed impossible to miss, that you just want to murder the other person (people in chrono, or otherwise cc'd/slowed).
DivineRage002
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Just played with some randoms and one of them was speaking some sort of arcane language I am unable to decipher.
Does anyone know what the hell that means?
Does anyone know what the hell that means?
That last bit is the answer. Pubbers love blaming everyone else for a loss. My Lion game I was basically accused of losing the game single handedly because of some poor plays despite saving their lives or assisting/performing the majority of kills.
Also, our Storm Spirit disconnected five minutes in against a heavy pushing Lycan/Furion team. But, nope, it was totally that missed Earth Spike that lost it.
I do find it odd that I'm the only one that calls 'gj' or comments on teammates' decent plays.
Gully State
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/high-five- I do this too...It's like this community has never heard of positive reinforcement.
Just played with some randoms and one of them was speaking some sort of arcane language I am unable to decipher.
Does anyone know what the hell that means?
Think it's just random spam. Also why did you skill flesh heap before rot? Should really skill that last since it's retroactive. So early game it's not that great and rot is more useful. (for denying and it does a ton of damage)
/high-five
I'm curious, did you come from a dota/hon/lol background ? I have a suspicion that nicer players moved over from other games.
I always laugh when people call you bad for missing hooks, it's like your meant to have a 100% hook rate or your bad. Good players know when to criticize and bad players only criticize.
I saw Synd play Pudge last week, out of the 10 hooks he missed like 8. But like usual, the hooks he did land were great, and eventually won the game. Skillshots will always be luck based, so many other things to consider. Last night I think in that epic EG vs Mousesports game their Miranda missed like 20 arrows too, still one of the best games I've ever seen.
ScepticMatt
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Set Render Quality to 100% (if settings do not save/reset, set it via the autoex file)
@JustinBB7: CARA = face in spanish?
PillowKnight
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The best way to use lion stun is to do it both ways.
Target > 600 range , use ground targeted stun.
Target < 600 range, use hex then follow up with click on targetstun.
Dreams-Visions
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New question for GAF:
When team fighting and playing as a character with a stun/hold move that only hits one person (say, Shadow Shaman, Windrunner, Storm Spirit, etc.), how do you decide who best to prioritize? The other team's tank? The most likely to die? The one hitting the hardest? The one with the strongest ult?
I was playing as Shadow Shaman a bit last night and there were a couple of team fights where I just didn't know which to go after. I just picked the closest one and that was that. But I'd like to know what the best way of prioritizing in such scenarios is, so if there are any general wisdom that can be imparted...lay it on me, please.
When team fighting and playing as a character with a stun/hold move that only hits one person (say, Shadow Shaman, Windrunner, Storm Spirit, etc.), how do you decide who best to prioritize? The other team's tank? The most likely to die? The one hitting the hardest? The one with the strongest ult?
I was playing as Shadow Shaman a bit last night and there were a couple of team fights where I just didn't know which to go after. I just picked the closest one and that was that. But I'd like to know what the best way of prioritizing in such scenarios is, so if there are any general wisdom that can be imparted...lay it on me, please.
For an hour and a half game, there were only like four blackholes too.
That's good advice. What's the approximate distance of 600?
tsunami643
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Lion's auto-attack range is 600 as well, so there's your point of reference.
Personally, I rarely ground target earth spike. More often than not, phase boots get me into range of someone I'm chasing without risking missing the spike. The only times I ever ground target is if I need to hit the midpoint between 2+ heroes I'm trying to stun or if someone has Linken's.
Dreams-Visions
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I ground-spike when someone is about to make a perpendicular turn, which happens often when chasing someone through the jungle.
This is a lot harder then just giving a straight answer, here's a scenario to consider. Suppose the enemy team has this composition;
Tidehunter
Slardar
Windrunner
Obsidian Destroyer
Crystal Maiden
The obvious choice to go after here, would be the Tidehunter because the sooner he gets into a good position to get off his ravage the higher the chance that his team will win a teamfight, but your disable may be better off used on the Slarder or the Obsidian Destroyer because the OD other then CM is the squishiest person on the team. If you get initiated on, you probably want to use your disable on the enemy that hasn't casted spells yet, a Crystal Maiden that has used both Frostbite / Nova is a lot less dangerous then a Windrunner that hasn't used Shackle / Power shot yet. At the same time though, you have to consider whether you would be better off chain disabling a single person if you can kill them within the disable combo versus disabling important enemies to deter them from using skills on you if you lack the damage to kill someone in 5-6 seconds.
If your playing Shadow Shaman and you have a BKB, your able to disable a single hero for up to 8 seconds, if you can do this successfully that's a lot of time that a hero isn't doing anything to win the fight. If your playing Windrunner, your shackle target is dependent on whether your going for a 0.75 second disable, or if you can position yourself properly to get the 4 second disable. With other single target disables a safe bet would be to go after the target closest to your main Damage dealer to see if they can kill them quick enough.
You also have to take into consideration the position of your team, and the enemy kill priority for your allies, for example if there is a Shadow Shaman on your team, he's a high priority kill because of Serpent Wards, and his other disables, so using a stun or snare to protect him is something you may consider, let's say if the Slardar uses Sprint to get in range to stun him.
Your disable target is going to really depend on whether your doing the initiating or if the enemy team is initiating on you ( or your counter initiating ), just trust your instincts and usually you'll pick the right target. A good hero to practice this on is Vengeful Spirit, because she has the stun and also has the swap so you can practice saving people as well, or using it offensively to pick off important targets.
Gully State
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Nope...this is my first MOBA in general (I don't count the handful of bot matches in LoL as experience- never played against humans). I decided to get into it after being impressed with what I saw in the International. I do try to go a little bit out of my way to be nicer to people online though as I'm under the belief that shit behavior is contagious and part of the reason the community is bad is because of this effect.
I am still new to DOTA2. This is my first MOBA and I currently have 95 wins.
Last night I played Lycan for the first time. Went 10-1-8 and ended up with 245 cs. Had Vlads, BKB, Abyssal Blade, Treads, Aegis/Cheese (solo'd Rosh 4 times). That said, the Anti-Mage on the other team beat me down easily in the late game. I don't remember AM's gear but he was easily as farmed as I was and I know he had Manta. The Storm Spirit on the other team of course called me a noob and said that I should be able to kill a well geared AM easily. Just curious if this is true? I'm pretty the SS was just being a typical DOTA player and was trolling, but I'm always willing to learn.
Oh...and what is up with Lycans wolves? Are they supposed to be intimidating? Redo plz.
Last night I played Lycan for the first time. Went 10-1-8 and ended up with 245 cs. Had Vlads, BKB, Abyssal Blade, Treads, Aegis/Cheese (solo'd Rosh 4 times). That said, the Anti-Mage on the other team beat me down easily in the late game. I don't remember AM's gear but he was easily as farmed as I was and I know he had Manta. The Storm Spirit on the other team of course called me a noob and said that I should be able to kill a well geared AM easily. Just curious if this is true? I'm pretty the SS was just being a typical DOTA player and was trolling, but I'm always willing to learn.
Oh...and what is up with Lycans wolves? Are they supposed to be intimidating? Redo plz.
Don't quote me on this, but I don't think Lycan is a hard carry. I think his power lies on being able to farm quickly and push towers early on. It's my impression that he doesn't hold up against late game carries if they managed to get farm. So, assuming the AM was able to farm up his items, I think the advantage was in his favour.
krameriffic
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Some competitive games coming up on here. Infs vs. GoSu and eSahara vs. EG. Shadow Demon is in the first game here for those who want to see him in competitive play.
Some competitive games coming up on here. Infs vs. GoSu and eSahara vs. EG. Shadow Demon is in the first game here for those who want to see him in competitive play.
Late game. No way. Lycan is more a hero known for wrecking people mid game. You get your BKB and go on a terror spree with your puppies while your ult is up.
A late game farmed AM should indeed be able to wreck Lycan.
I'm watching these as well, mTw is also scheduled to play vs GoSu in 20 minutes so it's hopefully streamed after GoSu vs Infs. Nice to see SD in a pro game.
Got to play him once last night out of 4 games, and I had to insta pick him. In all 4 games all of my teammates had him selected too.
yep it's pretty ridiculous.
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