Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]
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Hello Dota-gaf,
And goodbye.
Been a lurker of this thread since I started playing Dota2 back in November. I've learned a lot reading your messages, so thank you for that. Seven months is nothing in Dota years and I realize that with my 540 hours of playtime I only started to dent the surface. But my nerves cannot take it any more. I've never been in the trench by myself as I have a dedicated group of friends who I've played with, but even so I have come to understand that the old saying holds true: You start out a shitty dota player, but you become a shitty human being.
I found myself getting more and more annoyed by the mistakes of others, even when I knew they had far less experience than I, and that there are bounds of players who would rightfully scoff at my abilities. I don't want to be that person. But the most important reason for me to quit is that I have come to the point on the skill curve where you become aware of your own shortcomings but you are still powerless to do anything about it in a timely fashion. I annoy myself half of the time to the point that I'm not having any more fun when I play.
I'm sure I'll be back in a few months. Right now I need a break. Be careful dota gaf! He who fights monsters should see to it that he does not become one himself!
This whole rant can be paraphrased with one single word. " trench "
I'm a huge fan of Flax, and it's bad. The audio recording sounds cheap and the lines arent funny. The double kill is cringe inducing.
spootime
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Hello Dota-gaf,
And goodbye.
Been a lurker of this thread since I started playing Dota2 back in November. I've learned a lot reading your messages, so thank you for that. Seven months is nothing in Dota years and I realize that with my 540 hours of playtime I only started to dent the surface. But my nerves cannot take it any more. I've never been in the trench by myself as I have a dedicated group of friends who I've played with, but even so I have come to understand that the old saying holds true: You start out a shitty dota player, but you become a shitty human being.
I found myself getting more and more annoyed by the mistakes of others, even when I knew they had far less experience than I, and that there are bounds of players who would rightfully scoff at my abilities. I don't want to be that person. But the most important reason for me to quit is that I have come to the point on the skill curve where you become aware of your own shortcomings but you are still powerless to do anything about it in a timely fashion. I annoy myself half of the time to the point that I'm not having any more fun when I play.
I'm sure I'll be back in a few months. Right now I need a break. Be careful dota gaf! He who fights monsters should see to it that he does not become one himself!
Taking a break is never a bad idea. Back when I played hon I would get really really angry and would realize that I was just being an asshole to my friends. Would always just take a month or two break after that. Dota is 100% less stressful since theres no stats or conceding or KDR but I see where youre coming from.
Well, think of the time I'll have to play all my other games!
Not a big deal, just a tongue in cheek post. Sorry I annoyed you
that too
shira
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Takamura-San
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commons and 1 uncommon
balladofwindfishes
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previously unseen Tinker and Witchdoctor concepts
Tinker in a full mech would have been... interesting
Tinker in a full mech would have been... interesting
shira
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Couldn't even rotate it for us?
gabeN release as hat. will instabuy
SnakeswithLasers
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I don't get why people get dramatic about other people quitting. It's a gaming forum, it's ok for people to talk about getting out of a game, just as much as getting INTO the game.
You could respond to literally any post of someone's experience WITH the game and respond, "Ok and...?"
"Hey guys, I'm really starting to enjoy this game!"
"Ok and...?"
"Man, I had a tough streak of losses last night."
"Ok and...?"
"Wow, that was a great game. We came back from behind when Ursa managed to get a triple kill due an amazing shackle by WR. What a great match!"
"Ok and...?"
Also, Hayvic, can I have your hats?
Gully State
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Hello Dota-gaf,
And goodbye.
Been a lurker of this thread since I started playing Dota2 back in November. I've learned a lot reading your messages, so thank you for that. Seven months is nothing in Dota years and I realize that with my 540 hours of playtime I only started to dent the surface. But my nerves cannot take it any more. I've never been in the trench by myself as I have a dedicated group of friends who I've played with, but even so I have come to understand that the old saying holds true: You start out a shitty dota player, but you become a shitty human being.
I found myself getting more and more annoyed by the mistakes of others, even when I knew they had far less experience than I, and that there are bounds of players who would rightfully scoff at my abilities. I don't want to be that person. But the most important reason for me to quit is that I have come to the point on the skill curve where you become aware of your own shortcomings but you are still powerless to do anything about it in a timely fashion. I annoy myself half of the time to the point that I'm not having any more fun when I play.
I'm sure I'll be back in a few months. Right now I need a break. Be careful dota gaf! He who fights monsters should see to it that he does not become one himself!
It's good to take a break...You're just burned out. I had a similar experience in which I became more and more annoyed with the RL friends I played with. I never yelled at people but losing became irritating (got rolled most of time) and winning wasn't satisfying (I would either felt like my contribution didn't matter or I was rolling because my opponents were the worst of the worst).
Head of Vengarl
Banned
Pretty much. I mean, I assume that nobody cares when I do my 2-3 paragraph write-ups after playing a noteworthy match. But I do it because it's fun and I can go back to my old posts one day and go "Oh yeah I remember that match with the KotL who bought Mask of Madness + Maelstrom!"
Pry it from my cold dead hands!
bananabread
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Recently I've gotten tired of playing in very high tier matchmaking and stopped enjoying myself, mainly because one player that is slightly less good than the other 9 players in the server can completely ruin a game. I'm also terrified of losing several games in a row and getting dropped back down a couple of notches where the quality of players tends to be far more variable (I think in SC2 this was referred to as 'ladder anxiety').
The solution? Me and my friends have invented a set of rules we call 'MAN MODE'.
How to play MAN MODE?
1. Create a Smurf account.
2. Join the matchmaking queue with at least one friend.
3. When the game pops, choose a lane and random your heroes. You can repick melee hardcarries since they are not particularly manly.
4. Choose a lane. This is the only lane you are allowed to impact for the entire game. Generally you'll want to go mid because the shortest route to the enemy ancient is also the manliest, but in the interests of not completely screwing yourself over with randoms you might want to choose a sidelane if your heroes are better there. If you choose mid for example, this means that if the enemy team takes your top rax and is pushing into your base, you are not allowed to defend against those creeps and must continue to push mid.
5. As soon as you see the enemy lane opponent, you must attempt to firstblood him. Heed not their mocking allchat if you all die to the tower, for you have shown him who is manlier and less cowardly.
6. From that point, if you see an enemy you must engage them unless it would be utter suicide to do so (ie you're on 20 health and you'd die to creeps before getting near them). If you are not engaging the enemy directly, you must push the lane as quickly as possible.
7. You are only allowed to return to the fountain if you die, although items may be purchased and stashed.
8. Leaving the lane to get runes is allowed, since they will help you kill more people and push harder.
Generally you'll get at least 3 people say 'WTF' in chat and the game will devolve into complete midwars chaos within about 5 minutes. Our record for raxing so far stands at 14 minutes of constant push.
Surprisingly, even though we're already coming up against players in 'high' tier matchmaking that have a reasonable idea about item/skill builds (dat Valve smurf detection), we're winning more matches than we're losing by simply not giving a shit. It's also a hell of a lot of fun and gives me a great chance to practice aggressive plays/dives since I'm normally a pretty careful player that doesn't like to engage unless I think we're going to get away completely clean.
Generally we only lose games because the enemy team will adapt to our playstyle and 5man against us, but our teams will continue to try and play 'proper' dota and sit in the lane farming passively. We tend to end up some of the highest levels in the game simply because we get a lot of kills on people who are expecting us to retreat instead of throw ourselves at them fearlessly, and we're splitting the XP 2 ways instead of 5. Funnily enough our teammates never seem to manage to use the completely open lanes to just push towers over and freefarm, but I'm too busy having an excellent time trying to see just how far we can push a 2v5 to really notice or care about losing.
The solution? Me and my friends have invented a set of rules we call 'MAN MODE'.
How to play MAN MODE?
1. Create a Smurf account.
2. Join the matchmaking queue with at least one friend.
3. When the game pops, choose a lane and random your heroes. You can repick melee hardcarries since they are not particularly manly.
4. Choose a lane. This is the only lane you are allowed to impact for the entire game. Generally you'll want to go mid because the shortest route to the enemy ancient is also the manliest, but in the interests of not completely screwing yourself over with randoms you might want to choose a sidelane if your heroes are better there. If you choose mid for example, this means that if the enemy team takes your top rax and is pushing into your base, you are not allowed to defend against those creeps and must continue to push mid.
5. As soon as you see the enemy lane opponent, you must attempt to firstblood him. Heed not their mocking allchat if you all die to the tower, for you have shown him who is manlier and less cowardly.
6. From that point, if you see an enemy you must engage them unless it would be utter suicide to do so (ie you're on 20 health and you'd die to creeps before getting near them). If you are not engaging the enemy directly, you must push the lane as quickly as possible.
7. You are only allowed to return to the fountain if you die, although items may be purchased and stashed.
8. Leaving the lane to get runes is allowed, since they will help you kill more people and push harder.
Generally you'll get at least 3 people say 'WTF' in chat and the game will devolve into complete midwars chaos within about 5 minutes. Our record for raxing so far stands at 14 minutes of constant push.
Surprisingly, even though we're already coming up against players in 'high' tier matchmaking that have a reasonable idea about item/skill builds (dat Valve smurf detection), we're winning more matches than we're losing by simply not giving a shit. It's also a hell of a lot of fun and gives me a great chance to practice aggressive plays/dives since I'm normally a pretty careful player that doesn't like to engage unless I think we're going to get away completely clean.
Generally we only lose games because the enemy team will adapt to our playstyle and 5man against us, but our teams will continue to try and play 'proper' dota and sit in the lane farming passively. We tend to end up some of the highest levels in the game simply because we get a lot of kills on people who are expecting us to retreat instead of throw ourselves at them fearlessly, and we're splitting the XP 2 ways instead of 5. Funnily enough our teammates never seem to manage to use the completely open lanes to just push towers over and freefarm, but I'm too busy having an excellent time trying to see just how far we can push a 2v5 to really notice or care about losing.
Anyone saying PL is fine is freaking daft....
Just had the most annoying game of my life....
We had one of their throne towers down they only had our tier 1....then PL happened...
I cant wait for the bastard to get nerfed....Oh yeah they had a Kotl too.,..
Effing stupid heroes...
Just had the most annoying game of my life....
We had one of their throne towers down they only had our tier 1....then PL happened...
I cant wait for the bastard to get nerfed....Oh yeah they had a Kotl too.,..
Effing stupid heroes...
dafuq is this? call of duty?
shira
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He got too many hat$, they just made some counter pick heroes.
dorkimoe
Member
ARound the same time the documentary comes out
Dreams-Visions
Member
Is the timing important for some reason?
Its stuck in the Valve Time Dimension
spootime
Member
highlighted where u fucked up
another fun game to play is to make smurfs and have the following person in line pick the other guys hero and lane. it ends up being a lot like atod except with kill stealing and purposely letting your friends die
Manus
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The hard part is actually finding a decent Wisp in a pub match.
shira
Member
or Battlefury. No love for bounty hunter
Cyborgmatt was kind enough to give me one of his Shagbarks while watching Giant Bomb's Daily Dota.
I'm jealous....
It was the first i've seen that actually managed to ruin the game. Other wisp just usually feed lol
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Couldn't even rotate it for us?
I do kind of wish we'd gotten a more mechanical Tinker, his current design does look a little...oddly modern alongside the others
All I want is the ability to disassemble it.
you mean solo? you've been able to kill rosh at lvl 1 with ursa+ wisp for a while now. Always fun.
yeah seriously
This would be good.
sssstententen
Member
Vanguard would instantly go from "Trench tier wtf are you wasting gold on this for" to "Why the fuck are you not building vanguard every game ever?"
I don't think he looks anymore high tech than Clockwerk does. But perhaps him being full mech/armored was to close to Clock himself.
Sigismundo
Member
Give it an extra 100 HP so it's not either of those things?
shira
Member
How about a recipe that changes vanguard into reaver.
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