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Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Since we're on the topic of Invoker, how do you guys land more consistent ice walls? It's easy to use it as a defensive spell but I've seen people use it to catch heroes running away. I've tried thinking about positional cues but just can't wrap my head around properly positioning Invoker sideways. I can't seem to account for turning speed.

tornado them then drop it right underneath
 
Since we're on the topic of Invoker, how do you guys land more consistent ice walls? It's easy to use it as a defensive spell but I've seen people use it to catch heroes running away. I've tried thinking about positional cues but just can't wrap my head around properly positioning Invoker sideways. I can't seem to account for turning speed.

Euls or Tornado them first.


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f0rk

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Pyrion and Sheever spend a lot of time stacking with people like Bulldog and Shane, I guess that might confuse the system a bit? Although actually I don't know if consistently playing with higher skilled people makes it easier or harder for yourself to progress MMR wise.
I think it makes them look worse because they are playing against better people than they would solo. I'm not level 13 yet and only have 100 games played but I can tell I'm probably below 3k MMR just from how awful the people I'm against are. Two games at the weekend I had boots first PAs on my team who didn't know how to last hit and had me worried but when the other team doesn't either, who cares! In one of them the PA went mid with no regen, then didn't level dagger until level 10 or something, and still ended up being good enough to win.
 
I'll take that over 15 min death balls any day of the week.

You have too much time on your hands, sir.

Dota is ideally played in that 30-45 minute range of time, and all the changes we've seen in patches suggest that IceFrog believes the same. I don't mind it as a change of pace/occasional happening, but 70 minute matches can generally die in a fucking fire. Dota doesn't need to be a farm fest like it was in the TI2 days.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Had my first game where I got properly six slotted in ages last night. It was an 80 minute marathon that had us holed up in our base for the last 30 minutes, but we just kept farming until I was a Luna with Manta, Satanic, Daedalus, Boots of Travel, Butterfly and BkB

Was very satsfying. But if they had had any pushing power at all though we would have lost because Huskar was just unbeatable until Sniper and I got most of our items.
 
Any tips for playing Phoenix?

I've been going tranquil boots, urn, men and then either Shiva or heart.

What I'm struggling with is the laning phase. I don't know if it's the fact that everyone knows phoenix is squishy but opponents dive me constantly. It's only once I reach level 6 that I feel secure.

I level up Spirits first then Sun Ray...leaving Icarus lvl 1 till the other 2 are maxed.

The other thing is I tend to have lag/bad ping which doesn't help as it does seem like a hero who is best played with low ping.

Phoenix is my new favourite offlane support simply because of the amazing harass with damage over time, attack and move speed slows. If their safelane doesn't have any ranged you can just wreck their hard carry's early game farm with Fire Spirit harass. You've got to be so careful of slows and stuns, if someone is fast enough and on point they will pick you out of a Icarus Dive and you'll just feed while trying to force something to happen. Icarus Dive is something I like to sit on and only use when necessary to secure a kill or to escape because of the cooldown.

I do max Spirits first because of the cool down reduction, attack speed reduction and damage over time increase but the second max skill depends on the game and opponent line-up. If there is a Legion Commander on the other team I will max Sun Ray second for sure. You can help keep a teammate alive a little longer while damaging LC at the same time, provided you're in a good position to just sit there and Sun Ray after throwing some AS and MS slow on LC. Icarus Dive is an amazing skill but you only get more DoT with it, so maxing that second kinda depends on what situations and heroes you're facing. Sometimes it's worthwhile to put a few more points in it early on, depends.

I go Tranquils, Headdress (over Buckler to start because I find I really need the HP regen) into Mek and then go for a Shiva's or Rod of Atos into Heart. Shiva's is a pretty big item to go for but I find it has good synergy with Phoenix's skill set. You get a nuke to go along with your DoT, however I am unsure if the ms slows stack tho. If the game is going well, it's the first big ticket item I go for cos it addresses two of the heroes issues with armor and mana regen and contributes to your teamfight presence. Sometimes I'll just buy and sit on the platemail for a while. I never buy those components at the expense of supporting tho.
 

Hupsel

Member
Dat Tasha... omg... thanks!

On topic now... starting to play Templar Assassin more. Really fun hero but sometimes my Meld traps fail because her range is so short with Psi Blades at level one. I know its not recommended but I'm even leveling Psi Blades to at least level one so I can get the hang of it... otherwise I'm in stealth there, click the enemy hero and she walks right towards him instead of attacking. The rage... -_-
 
Dat Tasha... omg... thanks!

On topic now... starting to play Templar Assassin more. Really fun hero but sometimes my Meld traps fail because her range is so short with Psi Blades at level one. I know its not recommended but I'm even leveling Psi Blades to at least level one so I can get the hang of it... otherwise I'm in stealth there, click the enemy hero and she walks right towards him instead of attacking. The rage... -_-

Make good use of your traps. Consider a yasha or phase boots for a speed boost to help you with closing gaps.
 
Phoenix is my new favourite offlane support simply because of the amazing harass with damage over time, attack and move speed slows. If their safelane doesn't have any ranged you can just wreck their hard carry's early game farm with Fire Spirit harass. You've got to be so careful of slows and stuns, if someone is fast enough and on point they will pick you out of a Icarus Dive and you'll just feed while trying to force something to happen. Icarus Dive is something I like to sit on and only use when necessary to secure a kill or to escape because of the cooldown.

I do max Spirits first because of the cool down reduction, attack speed reduction and damage over time increase but the second max skill depends on the game and opponent line-up. If there is a Legion Commander on the other team I will max Sun Ray second for sure. You can help keep a teammate alive a little longer while damaging LC at the same time, provided you're in a good position to just sit there and Sun Ray after throwing some AS and MS slow on LC. Icarus Dive is an amazing skill but you only get more DoT with it, so maxing that second kinda depends on what situations and heroes you're facing. Sometimes it's worthwhile to put a few more points in it early on, depends.

I go Tranquils, Headdress (over Buckler to start because I find I really need the HP regen) into Mek and then go for a Shiva's or Rod of Atos into Heart. Shiva's is a pretty big item to go for but I find it has good synergy with Phoenix's skill set. You get a nuke to go along with your DoT, however I am unsure if the ms slows stack tho. If the game is going well, it's the first big ticket item I go for cos it addresses two of the heroes issues with armor and mana regen and contributes to your teamfight presence. Sometimes I'll just buy and sit on the platemail for a while. I never buy those components at the expense of supporting tho.

All very good advice about phoniex. I think you only really need the one level in icarus dive though early.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
Oh boy, first PC problems and now my car seems to be leaking oil, since there was none in it. I'm now glad the engine didn't die.

Also, I do suspect at time people just share their accounts. Play all random with a 4-stack, last guy gets Centaur. Ok. 10 minutes in, he has died like 5 times, someone points out he has two rings of regen, brown boots, and is sitting on gold. We suggest get stat items, and just jungle a bit. Anther 10 minutes go by, the guy dies 4 more times and he gets a ring of health. He seems hell bent on following a build to the the t. Well then. So, I decide to check if the game decided to give us some newer player, at least then I could just place some blame on the match making system. Nope, ~800 wins, but thats not what really catches my eye. What I notice is the featured Hero. Centaur. Ok, maybe he got hats and wanted to show off his swanky Centaur. Most Successful Hero. Centaur.

I just don't know. Did the guy just get mentally crippled when he wasn't able to progress his build?
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
holy mother of god did u see that teamfight???? dendi channeling RAGING FURY right there, definitely been watching some grimorum.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
lol are you serious? No, please tell me you're not being serious. Today alone, I broke two keyboards. After have gone through the twelve or thirteen spare keyboards, I had to go out and buy a new one today (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100387424&postcount=6256). Yeaaaaah... there are no lies, just approx. $1200 worth of broken accessories every year.
Wanna buy a pillow? Stress ball? Punching bag?

holy mother of god did u see that teamfight???? dendi channeling RAGING FURY right there, definitely been watching some grimorum.
Yep. Learned from the best, tbh.
 
I figured since no one else seemed to post it here is the steam dev days talk about in game economies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHC-uGDbu7s

It's super interesting. All about how non payer customers are still generating value and talking about the thought process behind crates, battle boosters, and the compendium.

Highly recommended watching. About 50 minutes long.
 
envy just lost some points because someone did that leave the match thing and then reconnect, but because the game gives you a message saying it won't count, everyone who isn't aware leaves

i can't understand how this hasn't been fixed yet. they just have to change the message. they update the game 40 times a day to add hats, but they can't fix one message
 
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