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DOTA2 |OT15| anime only please
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Biggest issue that stood out to me is EE turning down a $500k annual deal from Panda to stream for x hours per month unless his teammates were in on it. Puppey couldn't fulfill his end of the bargain due to laziness (12 hrs over 3 months opposed to the agreed upon 30 hours per month) effectively killing a $1million+ deal for the team.
Speaks volumes of EE and Puppey's character.
Wok
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If you have read what is posted on these pages, you are good. The blogpost does not contain much more (except for proofs).
clockworkinyou
Banned
Good. Fuck Puppey, fuck cyborgfatt, fuck kemal.
Puppey always was scummy and shitty.
Puppey always was scummy and shitty.
Holy shit... what happened that drove him so mad?
Thanks boys. Seems to me this call all be resumed to poor ego and money management mixed with a lot of anger and passive-aggressive behaviors. I am not that surprised things turned out like this honestly.
clockworkinyou
Banned
From the blog post, I think it was cause Kuro and Zai were playing some custom game and having fun/laughing, and Puppey was tryharding in a pup alone. Puppey tried to say he set his headset down angrily, and the monitor was already defective.
Clearly that wasn't true. He also threatened to kick EE if he leaked the video.
Good on EE.
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CyborgMatt has done nothing wrong according to EE and all player accounts of him are glowing.
Just pretend the Manga/Anime ended at Pain really.
Sponsor/salary aside, Valve could be doing so much more to help the players. Prize money should be held by Valve in advance to prevent payout delays, and organizations should be only allowed to create a tournament if they have the funds.
I can't even imagine how the non-players (coachs, managers) survived all this time, if Secret has not been paying them.
I can't even imagine how the non-players (coachs, managers) survived all this time, if Secret has not been paying them.
Sort of like how Bleach ended right after the soul society arc?
If the actual players protested tournaments that didn't pay them directly you'd probably have a change in how its handled.
Honestly surprised its seemingly not done more but I can see how its easier to pay 1 entity than 5 then multiplying by the number of teams present.
Having said that, don't see why 3rd party tournaments are Valve's concern and Valve itself probably doesn't give too much of a shit as long as hat money keeps coming in.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/43cl55/s4_on_puppey_awful_person_great_captain/czh9vnd
we were blind, it was here in front of us all along!
we were blind, it was here in front of us all along!
"I'm really wondering, how could people possible believe this is not a joke, like seriously iG.Hao"
rakkadakka
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He's going to reddit prison, which might be worst than actual prison.
Not that this serves as an excuse to Secret's management but that's how every businessman handles non-periodic payments, like bonus, to their employees, delay as much as possible in order to collect interest from some quick investments with that money. It's pretty much an accepted practice in the business world. However you should have the common sense to not hold that money forever and pay others what they are due.
Hes probably running for president of Estonia. He got all the skills of a successful politician.
via Misery: "I should have included the fact that we didnt have contracts."
They really are a naive bunch of guys. I feel for them.
Wok
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Damn, I was forced to not pick Centaur because some "teammate" picked it after I highlighted it and marked mid, and then he asked for mid. It is becoming a thing now. So I picked roaming Riki and went Dagon 5.
Morale of the story: do not tilt like Puppey and things will end better than expected.
Morale of the story: do not tilt like Puppey and things will end better than expected.
Valve obviously (should) care. Cosmetics are mostly tied to the competitive scene, the game itself revolves around the competitive scene, all the money involved stems from it.
With TI paying out to players within days after tournament's end, it's pretty clear Valve's got a good handling prize money. And because of TI and the majors they're the only organizer that has the most complete financial information on all the players to facilitate the transfer process.
Players do not talk openly about their organization(and even an outspoken player like EE only does it after the fact) because the whole point of having one is to have a supporting system that lets them focus entirely on Dota. To question it otherwise would put a strain on the relationship that may bleeding into their performance, not to mention an unneeded distraction. So the players play and the shady organizations bleed them dry while doing just enough to keep up appearances.
If that's the way world works then so be it, but if you're going to act like a business then honor the terms of your contacts (written/verbal or otherwise) like a proper business.
Captain Fish
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That story is kinda heartbreaking. He's not super emotional in his prose, but you can tell that EE really respected Puppey and the idea he was sold of the team and even just stuff like how to treat the captain of your team, and at every turn it just went poorly. I hope he figures stuff out with his new team.
The no contracts part sounds completely insane to me with the amount of money up for grabs in these events. Honestly, I think he should put something to writing with his new team. A contract is not a sign of mistrust.
The no contracts part sounds completely insane to me with the amount of money up for grabs in these events. Honestly, I think he should put something to writing with his new team. A contract is not a sign of mistrust.
If they didn't sign a contract then legally Secret owes them nothing. Verbal contracts are worthless.
Of course, for the sake of not being complete assholes, Secret should pay the players, but based on what Misery admitted I'm doubtful that'll ever happen.
Imp the Dimp
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Written agreements are harder to prove but as legally binding as written ones in Germany, and I would assume in most of Europe.
lv2 pidgey
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what a time to get back from vacation
I just don;t think Valve actually cares that much to be honest. And it's probably due to how their own internal structure is setup. Unless its matchfixing, I don't think they'll do anything.
I'll eat crow if anything.
And cosmetics are tied to TI/Majors thru the compendiums. I have to play the lottery if I want cool looking set. If anything Valve has made it so 3rd party tournaments mean even less throughout the years.
NormalFish
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Valve will not get involved unless some serious lawsuit drags them in to it, in all likelyhood.
I think it's hilarious u kids talking shit about Puppey. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked his teammates' winnings. not only that but he throws the freshest headset, breaks the best monitors and hangs out with the hottest pro players. yall are pathetic lol
manfestival
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the drama in dota 2 feels so forced and silly
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manfestival
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doesnt everyone play secret? it is kind of the thing that happens to them... all of the time
In Germany verbal contracts are binding, but as the poster below said: just harder to prove.
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In other news there's a dude on Ecko44's channel who went up from 3.2k to 4.7k mmr in 4 months whatthefuckthemgains
misses bull
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funny cause even when secret 3.0 was in its prime you were saying the whole team is trash except for puppey
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