Sticky Fingers
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CoL 13min GG vs is GG
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CoL 13min GG vs is GG
they looked awful
neurosisxeno
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CoL 13min GG vs is GG
isGG is apparently legit. They 2-0'd Thunderbirds yesterday too.
They apparently got stomped hard both games, wondering what happened. They were doing pretty well yesterday, not sure what happened here.
Sticky Fingers
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yeah i saw that game too.
neurosisxeno
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Wow, is GG 2-0'd EliteWolves on Peru Servers. Beat them on home turf lol.
Sticky Fingers
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New new DC getting 2-0'd too?
It wasn't.
Sigismundo
Member
Fair enough.
Game 9 of the return to ranked. I've only won 2/9 games. I cannot figure out what the hell I am not understanding about this patch. This feels even harder when I used to just go at ranked games all the time. Hell I feel like I had an easier time back then, and I would tilt like no other. When I play ranked, I maybe play 1-2 games a day. Anyone able to see from scoreboards what I am doing wrong across all these here?
Because I am the consistent factor in every game. Regardless of it actually being my teammates fault, there is always something I can improve. It's like if you have an intentional feeder on your team, yeah, it sucks, but you can adapt and learn to play around him. Maybe once things turn around, he will stop feeding and join your cause. I know I have had games in the past with intentional feeders on my team, and many of them I either won, or they were still winnable. Make no mistake, intentional feeders suck, but you can choose to eat the loss or try to outplay them and have a chance at winning instead of sitting there for 30 minutes thinking you are fucked.
I used to be a notorious teammate-blamer, ask anyone in this thread. I am concerned with what I can improve, so no matter how bad my teammates may or may not be, I can do what it takes to win games. This includes if those things are coordinating with teammates.
neurosisxeno
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I see you took Drow's movement speed talent, going to assume that lost you the game. But seriously, Drow sucks and don't take Movement Speed talents unless the alternative is REALLY bad.
The Timbersaw game your friend rushed a Midas->Orchid->Linkins, on CM. Ok. The other team had Pudge and SS, vision probably would have made that game a bit easier. Also that Timbersaw build is all sorts of questionable.
Puck game, CM 28 minute Midas and Silencer going Dagon. Right. 0 Stuns.
Luna game, +15 MS Talent again -.-. You guys probably weren't going to win against that lineup, but I also don't like Satanic that early on Luna. You're better off going from something like Skadi than Satanic. A Butterfly also would have probably gone a long way.
PA game, die less farm more. But you had a CM and Omni so I'm not sure how you were dying in lane and... wait, you rushed a naked Perseverance? Why? At least get a PMS and maybe an Aquila for the stats. Damn man, try and finish boots before the 25 minute mark. That item did very little for you that early. You don't play PA like AM, they are inherently different. I'm not sure rushing battlefury on PA is even that great these days but the hero is kinda niche as is.
Oh a Spectre game. Not finishing Iron Talon on Spec before Magic Wand and Vanguard probably wasn't the best play there, neither was getting Treads at 25 minutes. The Vanguard timing wasn't bad, but who does it really help you against in that lineup? You hindered your own farm and were constantly playing from behind.
Try playing heroes that are a bit better in this meta and stop doing wonky builds. Things like Aquila, PMS, and Treads/Phase are great early, Brown Boots and a Vanguard is not.
Thank you.
Why are MS talents so bad exactly? I haven't really paid much attention to the trends with talents.
neurosisxeno
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+MS talents are rarely enough MS to justify taking them over the alternative. You had a choice between a Windlace and a Wrath Band on Drow and you took the Windlace basically. Drow won't really benefit from 15 extra MS. In most situations the alternative to movement speed is a clear winner, the only hero I can think of where that MS talent is really helpful is Kotl since he then becomes uncatchable without serious lockdown.
neurosisxeno
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With Riki it makes sense since he's used as a roaming vision/harass support these days, and being able to cover more ground improves that role. Morphling has ways to alter his stats baked into the hero so movement speed is a good alternative. But a hero like Drow gains almost nothing from 15 ms compared to 5 stats. You have frost arrow to even movement speed differences and should probably build a Shadow Blade in games where the likelihood of you getting ganked is kinda high. Drow is just not a great hero this patch so probably just avoid her.
Looking through a few where MS is clearly or situationally better I tend to notice if it's a 20/25 talent it tends to be a bit better and sometimes justifiable. I can't find a MS talent at level 10 that isn't dumpster tier, except maybe Riki. It's mostly for cores, supports can sometimes use it for positioning but often cores are better off getting stats or damage instead of MS.
Looking through a few where MS is clearly or situationally better I tend to notice if it's a 20/25 talent it tends to be a bit better and sometimes justifiable. I can't find a MS talent at level 10 that isn't dumpster tier, except maybe Riki. It's mostly for cores, supports can sometimes use it for positioning but often cores are better off getting stats or damage instead of MS.
You know what else is consistent among all your games? 4 braindead invalids on your team.
Tart Toter 9k
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Be that as it may, we can only control our own actions and we should always look for ways to improve. Even if just a little.
Dreams-Visions
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Nah. I'm quite satisfied with my 80% win rate on Drow in my last 30 outings. Survive to 6, take towers, go maelstrom aghs if dealing with illusion heroes, rat, gust everyone, win. She's fine. Just gotta know how and when to play her. And obviously you can't have a team of bonobos. If your team wants to lose, no hero is going to save them from themselves.
neurosisxeno
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I mean, I historically have a 70% win rate with Drow and even I believe she is--at best--the most niche of picks. You're almost always better off taking other heroes.
StrongArmSteady
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Dc lost to peruvians, pos 4 bulba paying off
Dreams-Visions
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Eh..
Her Aghs addition makes her far less niche than she once was, far more flexible and able to knuckle up against illusion strats that used to destroy her teams. Hurricane pike has also been a huge addition for her, solving a lot of her mobility problems against the blink meta that she struggled against due to pure lack of any sort of mobility and giving her the ability to damage towers outside of their attack range. For the team, she provides a big benefit to popular meta carries like TB, Invoker and Weaver with her passive. No ranged hero pushes faster than she can at any stage of the game as freely as she can assuming equal levels and farm (with respect to TB of course, who has to burn his highest cooldown ability in order to push harder than Drow and if he gets turned back he's not a pushing threat for another 2 minutes).
Further, Gust is one of the best low-cooldown team fight abilities in the game in no small part thanks to its knockback, wide radius and cast point improvements. Her slow was always amazing. Gusting carries and supports that don't have manta or bkb available is often a death sentence for them. She has plenty of cons to go with her pros (early mobility, awkward farming pre 6, won't farm as fast as some other carries without an aghs, limited escape options if jumped on, etc), but everyone hero in the game has a list of cons to go with their pros.
To suggest she is "the most niche of picks" just feels hyperbolic when the game still includes 1/2 position carry options like Huskar, Medusa, Lycan, Sniper, Venge, Phantom Lancer, Naga, Razor, Meepo, Arc Warden, etc...
With respect, of course.
Not necessarily, they could all be good players sometimes. Regardless, you can't change them unless they are willing to listen to you, so you're better off focusing on what you can do.
I'll have to give him a try, what pos is he played in these days?
Morphling, that's a hero I have historically never been able to even play decently. I've tried plenty of times in unranked and I'm not getting it. Maybe I could with more practice, but I have a tough time with that hero. Definitely not comfortable on it.
I perused OpenDota for the pub winrates, and saw something interesting:
I sorted this by 5k+ winrate descending.
Sigismundo
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The jump in Lesh's winrate from 4K to 5K is quite funny.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Yep, she's just fine.
But that ms isn't just ms. Its ms on a hero thats probably gonna build yasha/manta/sny/phase/shadowblade/drums/etc.
Windlace is +20 ms and it isn't considered garbage.
And while I'm not a drow player I think positioning is pretty important for her.
Yeah the amount of games I've lost because someone on my team just went "gg, hc noob end." and started feeding because they said we were idiots and that clearly it was our fault for loosing. I'm sure always blaming others has had some really good success for them.
shira
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There are a lot of casuals who expect to win after they paid $500-1000 on compendiums.
When they start losing to South American children they start crying on mic.
Cheap as in players are not treated as well as they were in prior Majors?
shira
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https://redd.it/6a4tl7
Apparently Valve went carte blanche to see how much a Majors circuit would cost and to find a company to handle it.
PGL won the bid and then Valve lowered the budget.
So players and production were used to top end.
Yeah, for sure it takes getting used to. I honestly still forget Shrines exist sometimes. There have been plenty of times I was near one off cooldown in a fight and I didn't think to tag it.
They still need to add the option to disable it being activated by right clicking and an option to left click it and hit a hotkey.
Ctrl+click please
Dreams-Visions
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I hate to ask a stupid question, but...how do you all chat sounds from the chat wheel?
when I press shift+enter, it brings up the all chat window. but my chat wheel is bound to P key, so it just puts p's in the chat window. I've also tried Shift + P but that doesn't work either.
I know it works because I saw someone do it but didn't get an answer from them that made sense at the time. Halp.
when I press shift+enter, it brings up the all chat window. but my chat wheel is bound to P key, so it just puts p's in the chat window. I've also tried Shift + P but that doesn't work either.
I know it works because I saw someone do it but didn't get an answer from them that made sense at the time. Halp.
roaming support mostly, tho I think this guy (who is like 6k SEA or some shit, I watched a bunch of his games/talked to him on reddit about Riki) plays him offlane sometimes, though maybe that has changed since 7.00
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/361223285/matches?hero=riki
I would be on board with this too.
I think only some of them can be all chat. I believe it works like the two "> Good game, well played" ones.
I'll give it both a try. Offlane might be more my cup of tea, but I am willing to try both.
shira
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Isn't it only the level 357 "it's a disastah" one that is Allchat?
On a shira scale of 1-10 that's about an 8
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shira
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I really like Dota but man, I wish I had a team. Solo queue can be infuriating.
Had a game where two dudes had a bunch of kills and we had a great kill lead but they never pushed and we got team kills and everyone just went on their way like the goal of the game was to farm. I couldn't take it.
I have only 100 hours or so, I'm not a pronto anything but I always feel I could be enjoying the game much more.
Anyway rant over.
Had a game where two dudes had a bunch of kills and we had a great kill lead but they never pushed and we got team kills and everyone just went on their way like the goal of the game was to farm. I couldn't take it.
I have only 100 hours or so, I'm not a pronto anything but I always feel I could be enjoying the game much more.
Anyway rant over.
StrongArmSteady
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FYI gh is still dog shit
If you feel this way and are confident in your abilities, learn snowballer mids like Templar Asassin, Storm Spirit or Lina
That way you can take control of the game and force wins
I'm not good enough unfortunately. I've been dabbling with Lina but I need more time with her.
I need good carries!
D
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Why not post your steam ID with preferred server, times you usually play, etc? Lots of smaller gaf stacks here that might play as the same time as you. Most players here are pretty friendly and you might even learn a thing or two from some of the better ones.