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Catching the Nicktoons airing lately, seems pretty good. I was confused though when I searched for the dubbed opening on YouTube, I thought I was going crazy. Why didn't they just use Vic's version for both? Someone on YouTube even went and extended it so it would fit. Vic >>> Sean

Anyways yeah, Gohan's new voice is hard to get used to but I'll live. I love that they're cutting the filler out, too of course, although some of it was good. I actually like a lot of the new background music, too.

So now I'm split on which to keep buying. :lol I have two of the Orange Brick DVD sets already (second one unopened), but I have a Blu-ray player and like what Kai is shaping up to be, but I can't help but feel I'm missing stuff... I'll probably just get Kai on BR, then maybe eventually down the line finish my Orange Brick collection. There's just something about the original dub that I can't help but love, including and especially the music.

It's so weird having DBZ on Nick now. Cartoon Network, what has become of you...
 
Crakatak187 said:
Cartoon Network is a disgrace now. Showing people and having Reality TV with actual people is the last straw.
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Even Adult Swim too (Boondocks, KotH, and FMA notwithstanding.)
 
Any news on when the second English Blu-Ray will be out? Amazon doesn't have a release date yet.
 
Cocopjojo said:
Any news on when the second English Blu-Ray will be out? Amazon doesn't have a release date yet.
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This is what is making me mad. I want to buy either Kai or DBZ sets, but Kai isn't available yet besides the first 13 episodes, which already aired on TV. I watched the original Cartoon Network run, so I'm not sure what to buy.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Holy hell, this series makes me want a HD Anime EVERYTHING. Dear lord it looks incredible.
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I wish it was airing in HD on Nicktoons. Seriously wish it was on cartoon network or even nick hd
 
I saw an episode of Kai on Youtube the other day, non dub version. I gotta say, the Japanese Goku voice makes me cringe. He sounds HORRIBLE
 
Akim said:
I think I prefer the original series to Kai
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I do for nostalgic reasons, but theres probably no way in hell I'd rewatch the entire series because of filler trash. I'd rather watch Kai
 
Akim said:
I think I prefer the original series to Kai
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In Kai, Bulma, Krillin and Gohan made it from Earth to Namek in one episode and with no stops.

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Akim said:
I think I prefer the original series to Kai
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Certainly this. I love DBZ (It is my childhood) and I now own season 1-9 of DBZ Remastered, and when I saw the Kai shit on Nicktoons I promptly said "What the fuck is this shit?!"

Gohan, Freiza and Bulma's new voices are absolutely horrific and I greatly prefer Bruce Faulkoner's soundtrack to the fucking Japanese music.

Fuck, shit is bad. And it doesn't look that much better than DBZ Remastered to me either.
 
Stat Flow said:
Certainly this. I love DBZ (It is my childhood) and I now own season 1-9 of DBZ Remastered, and when I saw the Kai shit on Nicktoons I promptly said "What the fuck is this shit?!"

Gohan, Freiza and Bulma's new voices are absolutely horrific and I greatly prefer Bruce Faulkoner's soundtrack to the fucking Japanese music.

Fuck, shit is bad. And it doesn't look that much better than DBZ Remastered to me either.
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Bruce Faulkoner's music was a steaming pile of shit. Just a bunch of amateur metal that ended up being unrecognizable noise.
 
Wait this isn't finished yet?

And the first version only contains 13 episodes?

And its finally got an Australian date next month.

But its $70AUD?

Screw that.

Wake me up when theres a compelete set.
 
Stat Flow said:
Certainly this. I love DBZ (It is my childhood) and I now own season 1-9 of DBZ Remastered, and when I saw the Kai shit on Nicktoons I promptly said "What the fuck is this shit?!"

Gohan, Freiza and Bulma's new voices are absolutely horrific and I greatly prefer Bruce Faulkoner's soundtrack to the fucking Japanese music.

Fuck, shit is bad. And it doesn't look that much better than DBZ Remastered to me either.
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that is because Nicktoons doesn't have it in HD :P
 
GeneralIroh said:
Bruce Faulkoner's music was a steaming pile of shit. Just a bunch of amateur metal that ended up being unrecognizable noise.
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This man knows what he's talking about.
 
Stat Flow said:
Gohan, Freiza and Bulma's new voices are absolutely horrific and I greatly prefer Bruce Faulkoner's soundtrack to the fucking Japanese music.

Fuck, shit is bad. And it doesn't look that much better than DBZ Remastered to me either.
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Strider2K99 said:
Freeza still sounds like shit in the dub.
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They should have just had Christopher Sabat do Freeza. I mean he already does half of the characters in the show, what's one more? :lol
 
Blader5489 said:
Faulconer makes DBZ epic.

The Japanese bgm sounds ridiculous.
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It still boggles my mind how people hold generic rock in a higher regard than the original soundtrack. Nostalgia I guess.

Hell, even FUNimation knows they fucked up, as it's not included with the most recent release of DBZ :lol
 
Blader5489 said:
Faulconer makes DBZ epic.

The Japanese bgm sounds ridiculous.
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Other way around

The Faulconer crap is the most laughable TV music Ive ever heard
 
Anth0ny said:
It still boggles my mind how people hold generic rock in a higher regard than the original soundtrack. Nostalgia I guess.

Hell, even FUNimation knows they fucked up, as it's not included with the most recent release of DBZ :lol
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Faulconer doesn't work there anymore, and hasn't in a long time.

There's a lot of variety and distinct tones to Faulconer's stuff, especially as the show goes on, so it boggles my mind that anyone could just brand it as generic rock. Generic rock is the kind of shit that plays in Devil May Cry; Faulconer's stuff is pretty memorable
and AWESOME
 
I don't think it's really fair to hate on Faulconer's tracks as being "generic," since to a lot of people (including me) almost all of them are memorable for one reason or another. Like the track that plays when Ginyu switches bodies? Which was also the track for Trunks' "If they wake those Androids it'll be the end of all of us! NOOOO!" It had a very (for fear of overusing the word) "epic" sound to it. As did more than a couple of his other tracks, including the ones for Gohan destroying the Cell Jr.'s and Vegeta's final flash attack. Plus who could forget the music for the introduction of Android's 19 and 20, with all that foreboding "chimey" sound? And Perfect Cell's theme? Probably the most memorable of the entire series, Japanese or not.

Most remarkable? All these tracks sound very different from eachother. So it's hard for me to understand the complaints that label all of it as "generic rock trash." (Edit- Beaten by Blader, who's post I didn't even see!) Whenever the start of one of these tracks played you'd always hope the scene would go on long enough for the best parts of it to be heard.

I won't say whether it's better than the Japanese original since that has its own charms and probably suits most of the series better. As mentioned before, Faulconer's gets "in your face" a lot but because of that it also leaves a stronger impression and is a reason a lot of people defend it so passionately. To be honest I think it's amazing I remember all those tracks despite not seeing the scenes they were used in for almost a decade, and having none of the soundtracks.

All that said, I also really love DB Kai's music. The two tracks I really like (aside from the opening and ending which I love dearly) are the "foreboding" track (sic) and the Ginyu introduction track.
 
I have to say, I was a bit apprehensive when I heard that Funi was doing the dub again, but Chris Sabat and crew have definitely come a long way from their FUCKING HORRIBLE first appearance in season 3. It also helps that the dialogue is INFINITELY better than the garbage they originally had (Hey, guys! Mondo cool!), the soundtrack is much more tolerable, and of course, the filler shit is down to a minimum. I personally still prefer the original season 1 and 2 American run, but that's mainly due to my own preference for the Ocean VAs, Shuki Levy's score, and nostalgia, but this is easily the best version of DBZ by light years.

GeneralIroh said:
Bruce Faulkoner's music was a steaming pile of shit. Just a bunch of amateur metal that ended up being unrecognizable noise.
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Awesome taste in character designs for Zelda, AND DBZ scores? I like you more and more.

People actually liked the funimation soundtrack? Really?
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The problem with Faulconer wasn't that he made 'generic' rock, it's that his tunes were just fundamentally horrible. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was the most downright abysmal pieces that ever had the misfortune of being composed by human hands for a major T.V. show ever. I dare anyone to name me a score that was worse. Sure, there are plenty of composers that make music that's forgettable, but few that I can recall offhand make music that's actual painful to listen to. If there is any justice in the world, Faulconer will never be hired by ANYONE for anything music related again, and will spend the rest of his days shooting birds at the airport.
 
Just saw the episode where Vegeta fights Zarbon for the first time, and I'm curious, in the original version, did Zarbon ever mention to Vegeta that Freeza transforms too? It was in the manga, but not sure about the series.
 
the problem with the music is definitely a nostalgia one. the music that was in the first run you watched is going to be the one that "sounds like DBZ" to you and the others will be the " trash that shouldn't be there".

for me, i watched the latin american spanish dub first because i live in a latin american country and for me the DBZ music is the japanese soundtrack. when i don't hear it while watching a scene, everything feels off. that's why watching DBKai has been weird since the start. having different music makes your memories conflict and you want to replace what you're hearing now with what you heard back in the day while watching scenes where the music was perfect and/or memorable scenes overall (scenes where the music was just filling the scene don't bother me much).
also, it is a reason why, when i heard the US dub, i turned off that shit as fast as i could.
 
Alternatively you could be like me, who watched DBZ originally on Carton Network, loved it, read AOL bulletin boards frantically about it, nearly had a heart attack when it was restarted for a second time instead of continuing with the Ginyu force fight, squealing like a little girl when it finally came back, recoiling at the new voices and music, then as it kept going realized that it was actually horribly paced garbage with virtually no redeeming qualities, then focused mainly on the movies cause they were all the good stuff with none of the crap, then just lost interest in the whole thing and chalked it up as cack entirely.

Then came back to it later in life in an attempt to appreciate what it was originally, read the manga up until where DBZ starts off, started watching kai, and is now pretty dang fond of it. Thanks almost entirely to the Kai/manga pacing, Japanese voices, and Japanese music. Though really, Kai's score is pretty different from the original Japanese score. Much less "old kung fu movie" -ey.

Old dub DBZ is embarassing, frankly. It's like going back and rewatching thundercats. The only positive nostalgia I have for old DBZ is when I watched it on Telemundo before school, which had Chal-La Head as the opening, except in spanish. I loved that dub, actually. And it was a lot more uncensored than the english dub, which back then was like WHOA!!!
 
Faulconer wasn't perfect by any means, but its not nearly as offensive as some people make it out ot be. People act like it was just cheesy metal/rock the whole way through, but there were actually some tracks that fit the moment pretty well. Like some of the ones in Andrex's post.

Now that I think about it, I don't really have a huge attachment to any of the soundtracks.
 
Strider2K99 said:
Freeza still sounds like shit in the dub.
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Get the hell outta here, Freeza sounds awesome now. I've been watching the dub on nicktoons and damn I forgot how good dbz was.

Makes me feel bad for owning the original DBZ DVDs with only 3 episodes on a disc.
 
Andrex said:
I don't think it's really fair to hate on Faulconer's tracks as being "generic," since to a lot of people (including me) almost all of them are memorable for one reason or another. Like the track that plays when Ginyu switches bodies? Which was also the track for Trunks' "If they wake those Androids it'll be the end of all of us! NOOOO!" It had a very (for fear of overusing the word) "epic" sound to it. As did more than a couple of his other tracks, including the ones for Gohan destroying the Cell Jr.'s and Vegeta's final flash attack. Plus who could forget the music for the introduction of Android's 19 and 20, with all that foreboding "chimey" sound? And Perfect Cell's theme? Probably the most memorable of the entire series, Japanese or not.

Most remarkable? All these tracks sound very different from eachother. So it's hard for me to understand the complaints that label all of it as "generic rock trash." (Edit- Beaten by Blader, who's post I didn't even see!) Whenever the start of one of these tracks played you'd always hope the scene would go on long enough for the best parts of it to be heard.

I won't say whether it's better than the Japanese original since that has its own charms and probably suits most of the series better. As mentioned before, Faulconer's gets "in your face" a lot but because of that it also leaves a stronger impression and is a reason a lot of people defend it so passionately. To be honest I think it's amazing I remember all those tracks despite not seeing the scenes they were used in for almost a decade, and having none of the soundtracks.

All that said, I also really love DB Kai's music. The two tracks I really like (aside from the opening and ending which I love dearly) are the "foreboding" track (sic) and the Ginyu introduction track.
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This man also gets it.


As far as Kai goes, while some of the voices still sound off, it's not bad. Really feels like a different series without all the fillers. The OP song is balls, though.
 
Pein said:
Get the hell outta here, Freeza sounds awesome now. I've been watching the dub on nicktoons and damn I forgot how good dbz was.

Makes me feel bad for owning the original DBZ DVDs with only 3 episodes on a disc.
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Sounds to me like the actor now is just trying to copy the original actress' voice from old DBZ. If you liked the original actress, then yeah, I can see why you would like it.

But I prefer my Freeza sounding like a badass. I'll take Japanese or even Mexican dub anyway.
 
I love Freeza's old voice rather than this new one that they're using for Kai. Freeza sounded so fucking cool in the older DBZ episodes and this one just sounds similar, but I feel like the actor/actress (not sure) is trying their best to imitate the older voice. Then again, I will wait until Freeza's final transformation to judge the voice because in the older episodes, Freeza's voice was stronger when he was in his ultimate form. Will wait and see. I'm enjoying Kai by the way. I haven't seen the Japanese episodes because I just don't like the way everyone sounds. I'm too used to the English voices to make the switch.
 
Rewrite said:
I love Freeza's old voice rather than this new one that they're using for Kai. Freeza sounded so fucking cool in the older DBZ episodes and this one just sounds similar, but I feel like the actor/actress (not sure) is trying their best to imitate the older voice. Then again, I will wait until Freeza's final transformation to judge the voice because in the older episodes, Freeza's voice was stronger when he was in his ultimate form. Will wait and see. I'm enjoying Kai by the way. I haven't seen the Japanese episodes because I just don't like the way everyone sounds. I'm too used to the English voices to make the switch.
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My 2nd most hated thing about the dub (after music) is Freeza's voice. I seriously can't understand how anyone could like it after seeing the Japanese version. What we had on our hands sounded like a 70 year old chain smoking woman, voice acting a cocky, James Bond villian-esque tyrant. You know they fucked up when I though Freeza was a girl for the longest time.

The new voice actor for Kai is leagues better, but no one can come close to Ryusei Nakao's masterful performance.

Hell, the best dub voice actor I've heard for Freeza is the DBZ Abridged voice actor. That shit is perfect :lol
 
New Frieza sounds almost just like the old one to me. Maybe with more "old person" in the voice. Still sounds like a girl.

As mentioned, I'll wait until he transforms before making any real judgments.
 
Lkr said:
After watching the dub for so many years, I could never picture Goku being a girl or 5 year old kid in a grown man's body
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after watching all of dragon ball and dragon ball z in my early teens via poor quality fansubs, i can't imagine ever watching the show in english.
 
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