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One thing I didn't like about the Cell fight and I hope Kai cuts is Gohan acting all cocky and whatever. Just felt out of character.
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Yesjambo said:
Na uhAndrex said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aIkhQV3hi4
credits rolling, The End, we canal go home.
Andrex said:
That's actually IN character. Remember when Goku turned SSJ and he became quite short and mean to Gohan (Basically, get the hell out of here because I'm no longer in control of my emotions)? Then ruthless to Freeza? SSJ is supposed to revert them back to a more aggressive state. Gohan acting ruthless and cocky was the only right thing they did with him. =P
X-Frame said:
Not quite true. Remember, there was a flashback during his training with Goku. Goku wanted to quit but Gohan put on a smirk that scared Goku a bit before Gohan passed out. Other than that, there wasn't much in the way of seeing Gohan when he first turned SSJ. He was raging out when he turned though. To the point where Goku had to talk him out of the form.
True. I guess I just remember all the times Gohan was all normal and happy while training as a SSJ - but I guess that was just their training to getting accustomed to SSJ.Kintaro said:
And that smirk that scared Goku was when he was pushing SSJ2 right? There was lightning around him.
Snaku said:
Problem is, his character reverts right back to being a fool directly after his father's passing. He expresses happiness at getting to fight Cell himself again, but requires his dead father's help to actually overpower get the job done...again. We don't even get into how poor he is during the Buu Saga.
DBZ Kai has the Japanese BGM but it's new BGM, not the original score. Also, they completely re-did the sound effects and voice acting which seems infinitely better.
But to your last question (someone correct me if I am wrong) you can listen to either Eng/Jap audio with Eng voices but also Jap BGM with Jap voices. I may be wrong though I haven't watched mine in like a year.
But to your last question (someone correct me if I am wrong) you can listen to either Eng/Jap audio with Eng voices but also Jap BGM with Jap voices. I may be wrong though I haven't watched mine in like a year.
Seda said:
The orange bricks are the only way you can get the entire series uncut with broadcast music. With those sets you're given the option of listening to the English dub with English background music, or with the Japanese music (Japanese langauge track is obviously included). Just be warned, the first 50 or so episodes use music from the Ultimate Uncut Edition DVD/TV broadcast rather than the music most people remember with those episodes (the Levy music from the Ocean/Saban/Funimation love in days). From there on you get the Bruce music. A fair warning though, those sets are cropped to be widescreen, and the early seasons have really poor colour correction, and DVNR effects. The series is split within 9 boxsets (although there are retailer exclusive bundles) and can be had fairly cheap.
There are box sets like that for the entire franchise. Although with Dragon Ball, it doesn't really matter as the series retained its original score for broadcast (but you do get the first 13 episodes Uncut, something that was in legal loopholes until that release). For GT, the Funimation dub doesn't really work with either score (Menza's score is hideous), but it's watchable with the Japanese score. The rest of these series are released in 4:3. GT's in two boxsets, with the original in 5.
The most recent release of Z's movies and TV specials (Bardock and Future Trunks) were released in Steelbooks. Their release is exactly like the Z TV series (widescreen, Japanese/English BGM so you can listen to Disturbed, and Drowning Pool, etc.), except they're in double features. There are 7 of those. DB's movies were released in a single box set, but is missing the first feature that will be released later this year (legal issues prevented it from release before). GT's TV special is included within the second GT boxset. Sadly, no release for the 2008 special.
Seda said:
Yep, Orange Bricks are what you want. I'm pretty sure you can find them for about $20 a pop if you look hard enough considering the Dragon Boxes are basically replacing them in most stores.
*checks Amazon*
oh hey look at that
Anyone know where I can get the original Ocean dub that replayed over and over on CN before FUNimation took over?
I know that Ocean continued with Z after the original 53-54 episodes but all I really want are the originals - though it would be interesting to watch the Ocean dub until the end of Z.
Hearing Brian Drummond play Vegeta as a SSJ is just awesome and weird at the same time.
I know that Ocean continued with Z after the original 53-54 episodes but all I really want are the originals - though it would be interesting to watch the Ocean dub until the end of Z.
Hearing Brian Drummond play Vegeta as a SSJ is just awesome and weird at the same time.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I couldn't really follow along with Z on Toonami after the music changed to weird techno and all the voices sounded like the same guy doing slightly different voices for every single character.
That was around the point where I started looking for the original Japanese with subs.
I still can't watch Kai because the jittery frame alignment annoys the living crap out of me and makes it look like there is constantly an earthquake.
That was around the point where I started looking for the original Japanese with subs.
I still can't watch Kai because the jittery frame alignment annoys the living crap out of me and makes it look like there is constantly an earthquake.
X-Frame said:
To get that Ocean dub you're going to have to find the DVD releases by Pioneer. They're long since out of print, but are very common on sites like eBay. They're the edited version with the Shuki Levy music, and such. They released the 53 episode order that the US saw on broadcast, as well as the first three movies (which have arguably the best English dubs this franchise has seen). The movies are Uncut and bi-lingual.
There is no legal way to get the alternate dub of Z past that point. Other than the above releases, the rest of Ocean DragonBall Z that was aired in Canada, and international markets was never released on home video. There is also no home release for the alternate dubs of Dragon Ball and GT done in Calgary by Blue Water.
Edit: Here are a good listing of the singles releases:
Season 1
Season 2
Movies
(Scroll down until you hit the Pioneer releases, for the movies, look for the ones with the better cover art, and "Original Release")
The singles for Season 1 were collected into a boxset called "The Sayian Conflict", with Season 2's boxset being called "The Namek Saga".
Basically, you're looking for releases sporting this logo:
(this is the cover for the first volume)
Instead of this one:
Unknown One
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I never thought of Gohan as an adequate fighter. To me he is just a powerhouse brawler. He forgot how to fight properly during the Dabura battle, trained for a week and overpowers Super Buu.
That's the difference between DBZ and Dragonball. In Dragon Ball we've seen the progression of Goku through his feats and training, while Gohan all he needs is to get angry.
That's the difference between DBZ and Dragonball. In Dragon Ball we've seen the progression of Goku through his feats and training, while Gohan all he needs is to get angry.
Aaron Strife
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Funi owns the home video rights. The Ocean dub was only made as a workaround of Canadian broadcast rules (a certain percentage of content broadcast on Canadian networks must be Canadian).X-Frame said:
Notice that between the Saban/Funi/Ocean collab of seasons 1 and 2, and when Ocean picked the series back up (after Trunks is introduced), the quality deteriorates drastically.
I'm inclined to agree with him. The first three movies had fantastic dubs.Blader5489 said:
Dragonball had an okay dub, but until Kai it doesn't seem like Funi gave a shit about keeping true to the Japanese version, for Z or GT.
X-Frame said:
Well, I don't believe the Ocean dub resumed at episode 54, but rather in the Android saga. Most markets that would later air that Ocean dub would recieve the FUNimation dub in between (so Ocean-Funimation-Ocean). This later dub is believed to have been paid for by France's AB Groupe (as well as the alternate GT and DB dubs), rather than Funimation and Saban who funded 1-53. No one really knows why it was created, but some speculate it was due to poor reception of the Funimation cast (some speculate that YTV, a broadcaster in Canada, grew fed up of Funimation giving them episodes months after Cartoon Network and worked with AB to bring back the original cast). This company has the ability to release home video (only in Europe), and in fact released a dubbed version of a few of the later movies (which were dubbed in the UK for some reason, and are hilariously bad search up "DragonBall Z Big Green dub" for examples). Why they never released these alternate dubs of Z, GT, and DB on DVD in Europe is also an unknown.
No one really knows much about the creation of that dub. Or how it was possible for a company who only had European rights to have their dubs air in Canada, where Funimation's rights extend to, despite Funimation claiming no ownership over that dub. All we have is speculation and the dub. The dub itself is no where near as strong as 1-53. It uses recycled music from Monster Ranchers, and Megaman (it did have the odd original tune), and the voice acting lacks direction, indicating it was a fairly low budget production.
As for why Funimation dropped the Ocean cast, after the work done in 1-53 and the movies were done, a few years had passed. When the series was picked up by Cartoon Network the work load was becoming too demanding for them to fly out staff (script supervisiors, people telling what to edit, etc.) to Vancouver (as they had been doing with the dub of 1-53) regularily from Texas and back, so they decided to take the work in house.
Weird thing is, there's a rumor that Ocean may be working on their own dub of Kai. They're credited with video editing in the broadcast version of Kai in the US, and according to Funimation's voice actor for Goku, they're in the process of recording their own dub with a different score. Is it true? I don't know. Why? I also don't know.
Anyways, I updated my original response to you with some more info to help you out.
Blader5489 said:
No? Many in the fandom love those dubs for actors who (they believe) can act, a script that accurately protrays the Japanese script without sounding awkward, and retaining the Japanese score. Until Kai, most would argue those were the best dubbed pieces of animation this franchise has seen. This is a pretty fickle fanbase.
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Crakatak187 said:
That's why the Cell saga was such a satisfying conclusion. He managed to control his power and used it to push himself to the next level.
Takao said:
So basically, things are gonna be the opposite of the way they were originally? Funimation keeps the music score, and Ocean re-dubs it? :lol Just funny if true.
I haven't watched those versions of the movies in years, but I don't believe they say that in them.
The only reason why "the next dimension" exists is to allow the show to conform with the FCC's broadcast standards, which was very strict regarding death. Besides, the show's script was done by Funimation and Saban, where as the movies were done by Pioneer and Ocean.
The only reason why "the next dimension" exists is to allow the show to conform with the FCC's broadcast standards, which was very strict regarding death. Besides, the show's script was done by Funimation and Saban, where as the movies were done by Pioneer and Ocean.
Crakatak187 said:
But Gohan also trained his ass off during the Saiyan and Cell arcs. Not to mention Future Gohan trained and mentored Future Trunks. It doesn't help that every situation ends up being desperate, so they need results. Sure, he's not a genius like Goku and Vegeta, but that's because he doesn't really want to be. You can thank his mom for that.
No one in the show is thinking "Fuck that Gohan, he just gets a little angry and overpowers Cell easily while I couldn't do it after training all my life. I would rather Cell destroy Earth than be saved by Gohan."
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Good point on the training part. Gohan could have been a much better fighter if it wasn't for Chichi and his dislike for fighting.
TacticalFox88
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In a perfect world, the animation for the opening would be standard for ALL the episodes.
TacticalFox88 said:
In a perfect world, Kai would be using animation made in 2010 instead of 1989. Instead Toei wanted easy money, and sent their old masters to the Philiphines to be cleaned up, and told them to make new eye catches, and credit sequences (as well as some funny commercials). The fact this version of the show is always in the top 10 anime ratings in Japan makes me wonder how much better the ratings would be if it was actually a remake, instead of a recut.
ant1532 said:
There are no legal streams of the sub (because Toei still wants to sell the show to international markets), but Nicktoons.com is streaming the dub.
K' Dash said:
If you've put up with Z's pacing four times then Kai doesn't offers much to you. However, the show has new music, new voice acting, and international versions should have more accurate scripts (hopefully we'll never get Goku calling Frieza Miss Portugal '94 ever again). But, you seem to be from a Spanish speaking nation, and I have no clue as to how accurate or not their original version were (it doesn't help that there's like half a dozen different Spanish dubs in different dialects).
Takao said:
I watch everything in it's native language, so no poblem there, I'm gonna watch the Saiyan Saga, and if I like what I see, I'll watch the rest, yhanks for your answer.
*Yo veo todo en su idioma original, entonces no tengo problemas con los doblajes, voy a ver la saga de los Saiyan y si me gusta, veré el resto, gracias por la respuesta.
OMG Takao I completely 100% agree. I personally would love a remade version of Kai only with 2010 graphics and technology, while still staying true to it's art style.
While the originals would still be classics, I can't even begin to imagine the sales if they actually remade it. My finger would hit the BUY button so quick and I bet millions of others would too.
Kai now is like, "Do I really need this?", "Is it worth it?", etc.
DBZ TrueHD would sell ungodly amounts.
While the originals would still be classics, I can't even begin to imagine the sales if they actually remade it. My finger would hit the BUY button so quick and I bet millions of others would too.
Kai now is like, "Do I really need this?", "Is it worth it?", etc.
DBZ TrueHD would sell ungodly amounts.
Wanna hear the sad thing?
I hear people saying "Maybe for the anime's 30th anniversary, they'll reanimate it!" or something. Milk the franchise even more, you know?
Well, earlier this year Daisuke Gouri took his own life. I still can't picture anyone else voicing Mr. Satan. Takeshi Aono recently had a stroke, leaving the role of Kami-sama in the air. A great number of secondary character's voice actors have passed away recently as well, too many to number really.
What I'm getting at, is the cast isn't getting any younger. Masako Nozawa is 73, Toshio Furukawa is 64, Norio Wakamoto is 64, Ryusei Nakao is 59, and a good chunk of the main cast is in their early to mid fifties, including Mayumi Tanaka and Ryo Horikawa.
I really think Toei fucked up here. These legendary voice actors aren't gonna be here forever, and I don't think I'd be able to stand a new Japanese Goku, Vegeta, Freeza or Kuririn, regardless of brand spanking new animation. I already mentioned that I'm already having a hard time picturing a new Mr. Satan.
At that point, I'd probably watch the dub. Seriously ._.
I hear people saying "Maybe for the anime's 30th anniversary, they'll reanimate it!" or something. Milk the franchise even more, you know?
Well, earlier this year Daisuke Gouri took his own life. I still can't picture anyone else voicing Mr. Satan. Takeshi Aono recently had a stroke, leaving the role of Kami-sama in the air. A great number of secondary character's voice actors have passed away recently as well, too many to number really.
What I'm getting at, is the cast isn't getting any younger. Masako Nozawa is 73, Toshio Furukawa is 64, Norio Wakamoto is 64, Ryusei Nakao is 59, and a good chunk of the main cast is in their early to mid fifties, including Mayumi Tanaka and Ryo Horikawa.
I really think Toei fucked up here. These legendary voice actors aren't gonna be here forever, and I don't think I'd be able to stand a new Japanese Goku, Vegeta, Freeza or Kuririn, regardless of brand spanking new animation. I already mentioned that I'm already having a hard time picturing a new Mr. Satan.
At that point, I'd probably watch the dub. Seriously ._.
VGChampion
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I really wish the English DBZ stuck to release schedules and kept everything consistent. It's a real pain just understanding the history of it over here. I know myself and a lot of others who would love to buy Dragon Box if it just included the Cartoon Network music. I can't stand the Japanese one.
I think my only way to get what I want is to go back and buy all those individual DVD sets they first released back when they were still doing VHS. I have a bunch of old VHS tapes in my closet with the show just the way I like it minus the picture quality. :lol
I think my only way to get what I want is to go back and buy all those individual DVD sets they first released back when they were still doing VHS. I have a bunch of old VHS tapes in my closet with the show just the way I like it minus the picture quality. :lol
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These are the "orange boxes" right?VGChampion said:
ThatObviousUser
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Cocopjojo said:
No, the first DVD's were way before the orange boxes.
Also worst comes to worst, a new animated DBZ could use the same script and voice tracks for Kai.
KeeSomething
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That was never said in the Ocean/Pioneer dub movies, which is what he was referring to.Blader5489 said:
Unknown One
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Instead of DBZ being reanimated. I think it would be better to have the Original Dragonball to be reanimated. The truth is Dragonball has much better fights then DBZ.
Take a look or relook at
Goku vs Krillian
Goku vs Tien the rematch time skip.
Take a look or relook at
Goku vs Krillian
Goku vs Tien the rematch time skip.
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