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Dragon Ball Kai Official Thread
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CrocMother
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Trojita said:
Goku could have whipped Ginyu's ass. He took care of the Ginyu force effortlessly, and Ginyu couldn't have been that much more powerful than them. Goku always holds out in the beginning. He is a total slut for a good long fight. All Sayains are.
I hope I spelled most of those correctly
Lmao. Yeah Piccolo's rise to power is definitely the most crazy. I think the official power was 800,000 while Frieza was 1,000,000 - but Piccolo beat Frieza's second form since he's a better fighter.Oblivion said:
And yea, I know how much of a dork I sound and I can't believe I remember all this stuff from 10 years ago. Haha.
A good term for Vegeta/Piccolo/Tien and friends would be smart losers. Instead of being killed by a man who has his mind set on only a few things (training being one of them), they befriended him.
The DVDs and BRs of Kai released by Funimation are as uncut as Kai gets. I do believe Kai Part 2 is out next month.
DeathNote said:
The DVDs and BRs of Kai released by Funimation are as uncut as Kai gets. I do believe Kai Part 2 is out next month.
Vegetta is not a match for Goku in any part of the story except the Sayians Attack period!GaimeGuy said:
My favorite shot. God damn does vegeta look awesome
Edit: BTW, Byakuya, I kind of find it funny rewatching the Ginyu eps in Kai: When you think about it, Ginyu was actually stronger than Goku was, and would have gotten weaker by switching bodies, even if he got fully used to it. Goku was using the Kaioken when he fought Ginyu. That means goku's base power was actually 90,000 , which was less than Ginyu's 120,000. Ginyu owned himself. :lol
also: Goku is so cheap through the entirity of DBZ up through when he transforms it is unbelievable when you think about it.
"Hey, I'm outmatched. But I can double my power! Triple! Quadruple! x10! x20! HURRRRRRRR"
Actually when you think about it, the only time Goku actually surpasses vegeta for good in strength is after he trains with gohan in the HTC. Before that, Goku is stronger than vegeta:
#1: When he lands on Namek and takes on the Ginyu Force.
#2: After transforming into a SSJ, while Vegeta hasn't.
Vegeta seemed to be close in power to Frieza's first form after being healed by the senzu bean, and far outmatched Picollo and most likely Frieza's 2nd and 3rd forms after being healed by Dende.
It is really ridiculous how much the series makes Vegeta play second fiddle even when he is far stronger than Goku for the vast majority of the story :lol Any other time Goku appears stronger than Vegeta is because of a technique that allows him to multiply his power by ridiculous factors.
</Vegeta fanboy>
Tien is the worst of all. Dude trains probably harder than everyone but Vegeta and gets no love. At all.
TheVampire
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Yoboman said:
When he was in his 2nd form he said that.
vMaxx said:
Actually during the start of the androids saga Vegeta as a Super Sayin was stronger than Goku at that point. Piccolo even confirmed this.
I think that was the only time he surpassed Goku.
ThatObviousUser
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That's only because Goku was slacking off on Yardrat.
Trickster
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So uhm, I just started watching DB:Kai.
The only thing I'm curious about is what the hell is up with all the stuff that looks like it's been hastely remade in flash? It looks like garbage to put it mildly, and the fact that some scenes will keep changing between original animation and flash animation is really jarring.
The only thing I'm curious about is what the hell is up with all the stuff that looks like it's been hastely remade in flash? It looks like garbage to put it mildly, and the fact that some scenes will keep changing between original animation and flash animation is really jarring.
Yeah, you'll have to live with it unfortunately. They're old drawings, and when they're of low quality they "redrew" (read: sloppily retraced) them. Somewhere during the Namek saga you'll start seeing it less, as the original drawings seem to have retained most of their quality for some reason from that moment.Trickster said:
VGChampion
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I really wish Funimation would move faster with the DVD's. Not sure where the DVD's are in Japan right now but after buying Disc 1 I'm all pumped up for post - Freeza episodes. I feel like I've watched the beginning of DBZ 10x over but only really watched post - Freeza once. Maybe twice. Definitely only did Majin Buu once when it was first premiered and sadly, I'm not sure if I ever watched every. single. episode.
Scouter's disappear after Namek though right? Once power levels weren't officially known anymore I enjoyed the fights a lot more.
Scouter's disappear after Namek though right? Once power levels weren't officially known anymore I enjoyed the fights a lot more.
VGChampion said:
A combination of two things.
1. Importing
If Funimation continues to release Kai at this pace (14 episodes a set?), they'll surpass Japan in no time. Then, factor in that the Japanese charge the same amount for 3 episodes as we do for 14... and you got a problem.
2. It's on TV
If every episode was already on DVD/Bluray, TV ratings would suffer. And considering Kai is on not one, but two stations right now, FUNi wouldn't like that one bit. So they're clearly delaying the releases.
The thing that saddens me is that, somehow, the Dragon Boxes are dragged into this ; _ ;
Jason's Ultimatum
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I think I saw Kai on UPN on a Saturday?
Also, I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but after Goku rocovered from the water chambered, I just loved how Goku takes off the oxygen mask, and says something, "It's done!"
Seriously, I got goosebumps, because that's when we knew Goku was going to kick some royal ass.
Also, I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but after Goku rocovered from the water chambered, I just loved how Goku takes off the oxygen mask, and says something, "It's done!"
Seriously, I got goosebumps, because that's when we knew Goku was going to kick some royal ass.
Been watching the orange bricks...
-Ok, it being cropped isn't that bad. In fact, full screen is awesome on a 50 inch.
-The weird breaks in lines when something shakes is annoying but ok
But whats really bugging me is how the whole picture seems to shake quite a bit. Like flowing water or something.
-Ok, it being cropped isn't that bad. In fact, full screen is awesome on a 50 inch.
-The weird breaks in lines when something shakes is annoying but ok
But whats really bugging me is how the whole picture seems to shake quite a bit. Like flowing water or something.
ThatObviousUser
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Nick says episodes are going to resume on October 20 @ 8. I also believe it'll be the same Wed/Thursday deal for a while.
The CW broadcast is kind of becoming a bit hilarious.
Anyways, HOLY FUCK OCEAN IS DUBBING KAI!!! This time from a source that isn't a man from Texas talking about things in another country, and then deleting said things. Now I'm actually interested in Kai... For those wondering, the Ocean cast of Dragon Ball were the casts who did the 1995 13 episode + movie one dub of Dragon Ball, the first 53 episodes + first three movies of Dragon Ball Z in a Saban/Funimation/Ocean love in before doing the post Season Three stuff only for Canada and Europe.
There's also some new shots of Plan to Eradicate the Super Sayians up on Andria Sang.
Anyways, HOLY FUCK OCEAN IS DUBBING KAI!!! This time from a source that isn't a man from Texas talking about things in another country, and then deleting said things. Now I'm actually interested in Kai... For those wondering, the Ocean cast of Dragon Ball were the casts who did the 1995 13 episode + movie one dub of Dragon Ball, the first 53 episodes + first three movies of Dragon Ball Z in a Saban/Funimation/Ocean love in before doing the post Season Three stuff only for Canada and Europe.
There's also some new shots of Plan to Eradicate the Super Sayians up on Andria Sang.
Anth0ny said:
From what Sean Schemmel (Funimation's Goku) said back in April, it seems the dub will be edited, and have a replaced score. Given that Ocean is credited for video editing in the Nicktoons version of Kai, I think that's where the video will be from.
In terms of casting, we can't really say at this moment. It seems they are going for slightly different voices, as Kirby Morrow, who played Goku in most of the Post Season 3 stuff for Canada and Europe, said his original Goku voice was shot down.
That said, I'd have to imagine Scott McNiel, and Brian Drummond return.
Aaron Strife
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Choppasmith
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Okay, so I haven't been into Dragon Ball for the last few years. Happened to be going through some old VHS tapes of mine and found that I had an old Toonami recording of a DBZ Movie Marathon, and actually watched World's Strognest and Deadzone. And damn, I forgot how FUN these movies were to watch. And even with the crappy, degrading VHS Broadcast quality, I can really dig the clean and colorful artwork (something I've really started to appreciate in Animation recently). And it was a trip to hear the old Ocean dub cast I've always been in the Pro-English camp, sorry purists, and the two movies are the few exceptions where I REALLY like the Japanese score. I love it in the original DB series too, but it's always sounded jarring and out of place for me in the main DBZ series.
Anyway, this prompted me to catch a couple episodes of Kai on Nicktoons for the first time and wow, really is great. The new Funi voice for Bulma really sounds more like Ocean Bulma (again coming off of watching the Ocean dubbed movies) than the old Funi voice ever did. It looks clean and.. is the music track replaced again, or is straight from the Japanese version of Kai? I love it either way.
Really interested in catching this now, but I'm curious where the US broadcast is at and aside from seeing that Popo edit, if there were any other notable US changes.
And how are those recently released movie sets on BluRay? Judging by the pictures on Amazon they look great and I just might get them, I've never heard the Funi dub for the older movies before.
Anyway, this prompted me to catch a couple episodes of Kai on Nicktoons for the first time and wow, really is great. The new Funi voice for Bulma really sounds more like Ocean Bulma (again coming off of watching the Ocean dubbed movies) than the old Funi voice ever did. It looks clean and.. is the music track replaced again, or is straight from the Japanese version of Kai? I love it either way.
Really interested in catching this now, but I'm curious where the US broadcast is at and aside from seeing that Popo edit, if there were any other notable US changes.
And how are those recently released movie sets on BluRay? Judging by the pictures on Amazon they look great and I just might get them, I've never heard the Funi dub for the older movies before.
Pai Pai Master
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lol wow the CW censorship is hilarious. They replaced Goku's halo.
ThatObviousUser
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Choppasmith said:
It's straight from the Japanese version of Kai, which is an all-new score separate from the old series.
Choppasmith said:
We're currently at episode 35, with the series set to resume October 20 at 8 PM and should continue weekly on every Wednesday and Thursday from then until the next break.
The Popo edit isn't from the Nicktoons airing. The only changes from the Nicktoons airing are some very small things, like removing the blood on Bardock which also removed his X scar. The other edits from the original DBZ are the product of the actual Japanese Kai editing (like little Goku becoming genderless.)
Hope I helped.
lucablight
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The Ocean dub was rubbish. Seriously what were they smoking when they came up with some of this stuff? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H01eq2Tc-WQ
I know I probably have my nostagia googles on a bit too tight, but I've always liked the Ocean dub more than funimations. I'll probably bite it turns out like I'd hope it would.Takao said:
Brian Drummond was hilarious - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9ue7-yG1k
Choppasmith
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Lespedeza said:
That scene actually gave me chills when I fist saw it, and it's always the one scene that comes to mind in regards to Drummond vs Sabat. I like the tinge of psychotic that Drummond adds to his Vegeta which really made me like the character as a villain. Sabat's just made him sound like a gruff brute.
Thanks!
SuperAndroid17
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In terms of vegeta's VA I preferred
Cell/buu sagas = Sabat
Saiyan/Frieza saga = Drummond
Cell/buu sagas = Sabat
Saiyan/Frieza saga = Drummond
hi ya all - im the DBZ guru, meaning that i have an explanation for everything you want to know about the series which is bothering you. power levels, reasoning of events and such.
on the other hand, my comment of 71 - how awesome that guy Krillin is, fighting Cell. most favorite character, to bad Toryama made such a gap between sayans and humans.
on the other hand, my comment of 71 - how awesome that guy Krillin is, fighting Cell. most favorite character, to bad Toryama made such a gap between sayans and humans.
Hey guys, I'm looking by curiosity at DVD sets, and I was wondering what's the difference between these...
Dragon Box
Dragonball Z
Dragonball Z Kai
So kai is the remade one, with no filler....Dragonball Z is the one that aired on TV in America and Japan....what's the Dragonbox one? Not too sure where it goes.
Dragon Box
Dragonball Z
Dragonball Z Kai
So kai is the remade one, with no filler....Dragonball Z is the one that aired on TV in America and Japan....what's the Dragonbox one? Not too sure where it goes.
grap3fruitman
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The Dragon Ball Z DVDs have horrible digital noise reduction that take out a lot of actual details from the animation. The Dragon Box DVDs are supposed to be the show minus the awful DNR. Kai is, well, you know that already. That's my understanding. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.Giard said:
Giard said:
Dragon Box is the ultimate version of DBZ. Best quality video, remastered frame by frame in Japan, amazing sound quality... basically the best version of Z we'll ever get. Be aware, they only include the Japanese version, and the English dub with Japanese music.
The Orange bricks are FUNimation's DNR'd mess of a DBZ box set. The video is cropped, sound quality is horrible, and although the video looks sharp at times, detail is lost as well. This set contains the original English dub, so if you're a dubbie, this is the only set you can really go for right now. They are also the cheapest sets by far, setting you back around $20 per set for something like 38 episodes a pop. Crazy.
Kai is the new series. Great releases, great video quality, contains both the English dub and Japanese version.
Basically what you want to ask yourself is: Do you want the original dub or not? If "yes", the Orange Bricks are the only way to go, unfortunately. If "no", then BUY THE DRAGON BOXES RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW I TELL YOU.
Giard said:
Given that you've linked to Amazon.ca, and not .com, none of those will be the version you watched on TV for the majority of the series run. In Canada, we had the Ocean cast for most of the series, with the exception of when season 3 came along, and that's when we got the Funimation cast.
The Dragon Boxes are frame by frame restorations of the Dragon Ball Z animation cells. They're about as good as that 1989 animation is going to look like without tracing it all over. The North American sets are broken into 7 sets, from the Japanese release of 2 (which both retailed for over a $1000 in Japan). The North American release features the Japanese Audio Track with English subtitles, and the Funimation English audio track with the Japanese score.
The second set are what's commonly referred to as the "Orange Bricks". They are a set of 9 that feature Funimation's own in house "restoration". These sets were heavily criticized for the poor resoration job, and the fact that the show was cropped from 4:3 to 16:9 as a way to hide damaged footage. The set includes the Japanese audio track with English subtitles, the Funimation English dub with the broadcast score, and the Funimation English dub with the Japanese score. The corresponding sets for Dragon Ball, and GT don't suffer from these faults as both were released in 4:3, and while the restoration made things a bit blurry, it was an improvement over the last DVDs the series recieved. The Z movies were cropped from 4:3 to 16:9 as well, with the exception of the Bardock/Trunks TV Specials (which Funimation insists on calling "movies") this cropping is fine, as the movies were initially intended to be seen in that aspect ratio (as they were theatrical features). Like the Dragon Ball, and GT sets, the visual quality is a step up from the Orange Bricks, but still a bit blurry (Note: As time went on, the Orange Bricks video quality did improve). All three (DB, GT, and Z movies) feature the Japanese audio track with English subtitles, as well as the Funimation English dub with the Japanese score. Only the Z movies, and GT feature their American scores (so you can here Disturbed in one of the movies...). Dragon Ball only had one score with its dub, the Japanese.
As you've alluded to, Kai is a re-edited version of Z in an attempt to
lucablight said:
Guess who wrote that script? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Ocean, and it rhymes with imagination.
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Igoritza said:no, i really am a DBZ guru. I am the only one that has the explanation of Trunks saga, i came up with that, did you know that there are FOUR timelines included in the story ?im serious
Could have sworn it was three.
And I invented the theory that Trunk's time machine is also able to travel between dimensions, which is how I rationalize him getting back to his own time even after splitting the timeline.
ant1532 said:
dude, whatever translated you watched - it was ripped, so we are technically speaking warez here, but here's how stuff goes:
sd&taka group - they translate DB kai, but slow as shi*. the are now somewhere @episode 40
freezesubs group - they did the job, but group announced that ep 70 is their last.
[D-SnF] group - they took of where freezesubs stopped, but here's the deal: a guy translates japanese to spanish, than the other guy translates spanish to english - translation is good, but the grammar sux.
oh, and - no more sunday translations, like freezesubs did, for a next episode translated, you have to wait for monday, thursday ..
i dont know if it is ok to speak of these things, if it's not - i apologize in advance, and i will edit my post asap.
No shit.Igoritza said:no, i really am a DBZ guru. I am the only one that has the explanation of Trunks saga, i came up with that, did you know that there are FOUR timelines included in the story ?
#1: There's the timeline where Goku dies and the androids take over the world (the timeline of future trunks we see), where Trunks goes back in time, fights cell and the androids in the past, then defeats them in his present.
#2: There's a timeline where Goku does not die (thanks to Trunks coming bback from the future) and the Z Warriors defeat the androids (most likely with the remote control Bulma makes).
#3: There's a timeline just like the first, one where the androids have won, and bulma makes a time machine which trunks uses. This trunks goes back to Timeline #2 to give Goku the antidote for his virus, and, after the androids are successfully defeated using the remote control, he uses the remote in his own timeline to destroy the androids in his timeline. After he kills the androids, he plans to go back in time to inform Goku and the others that the future is at peace, but cell kills him and returns to timeline #4 instead (Why trunks had the time machine set to arrive a year before Frieza and King Cold arrived on Earth, well, that's a plot hole that makes no sense and is never explained).
#4: There's the main Z timeline, where we see Cell arrive from timeline #3, and Trunks arrive from timeline #1, and Gohan defeats perfect Cell.
Basically, timelines #1 and #4 are the main timeline and the timeline the future trunks we see in the android/cell saga are from.
Timelines #3 and #2 are parallel timelines to the above two, where the remote control is used to defeat the androids in each. These timelines are completely disjoint from #1 and #4, except for the fact that cell is able to reach timeline #4 from timeline #3 after killing trunks. That's the only connection they have.
I still hear the Ocean voices in my head when I think of English DBZ, but that may just be because of all the times they would replay those first 50 or so episodes while we were waiting for new episodes to come out.Blader5489 said:
I think they were just better voice actors overall, more experienced and good right from the start.
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