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So someone recently bought me the Blue Bricks and been watching various parts of the series. Just got done redoing the 22nd Budokai fights, love those. Especially the "Wolf Hurricane" theme song and the fight between Kuririn and Chaozu. I think this is the last arc to feel like "DB" in terms of tone. The following arcs are enjoyable but they just follow the Tao Pai Pai formula of "Strong villain appears, hero gets stronger to beat him" that repeats and repeats again and again. Well, except for the 23rd Budokai, but I have other issues with that.
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I love the insert songs in Dragon Ball. Of course best character Yamcha also gets best song.
Yep. I use SSj but write it Super Saiyan just because SSj looks better, isn't so nautical.
So....nothing to do with whatever the hell you guys are talking about, but I have to ask this.
It's one of the many questions that has been bothering me since I watched the show. But how the fuck does having Piccolo (power level < 40,000) and Nail (power level: 42,000) merge = power level 1,000,000+?
Seriously. Like many things in DBZ, that makes no goddamned sense.
It's one of the many questions that has been bothering me since I watched the show. But how the fuck does having Piccolo (power level < 40,000) and Nail (power level: 42,000) merge = power level 1,000,000+?
Seriously. Like many things in DBZ, that makes no goddamned sense.
Dragon Ball doesn't really have any internal logic or consistency; the character's strength gains rely on what the plot demands rather than any form of logic. Toryiama even said in his Battle of Gods message that the series is one best left enjoyed without thinking too hard about it.
This reminds me of a conversation I had the other day with someone. I told him that the Yamcha, Tenshinhan, & Chaozu Vs. Recoome, Jeice, Burter, & Guldo filler is one of my favorites because it actually gives a pay off the Earthlings training on Kaio's planet, and he hates it because it doesn't make sense for them to gain much strength in that amount of time. I told him the series never made sense to begin with; the very first arc features Master Roshi flying on a turtle! If that doesn't tell you anything, I don't know what will.
This reminds me of a conversation I had the other day with someone. I told him that the Yamcha, Tenshinhan, & Chaozu Vs. Recoome, Jeice, Burter, & Guldo filler is one of my favorites because it actually gives a pay off the Earthlings training on Kaio's planet, and he hates it because it doesn't make sense for them to gain much strength in that amount of time. I told him the series never made sense to begin with; the very first arc features Master Roshi flying on a turtle! If that doesn't tell you anything, I don't know what will.
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Same reason 2 super saiyans combined can go SSJ3.
Nothing involving power levels makes a god damned bit of sense. Just accept it.
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That's pretty much why numerical battle powers were canned. People focused too much on the numbers instead of letting the drama dictate a character's strength.
Not that it really worked since we still have people complaining about stuff like Vegeta's attack in Battle of Gods.
Not that it really worked since we still have people complaining about stuff like Vegeta's attack in Battle of Gods.
Power Levels were never intended to actually be accurate; people keep on forgetting this. EVERYONE who relied on power levels died. In the very first battle with them, Raditz believed he would win, then died because he underestimated Goku and Piccolo's unique skills, even if they were technically weaker.
Also, for the merging question: when two weaker metals make an alloy, the alloy is stronger than the component parts.
Also, for the merging question: when two weaker metals make an alloy, the alloy is stronger than the component parts.
Sure, but multiple times what those two metal would be on their own? (Yes, I'm sure there are some that exist, don't bother looking it up) Again, Nail was at 42,000 and Piccolo was probably at best around the same level (I say that because he was about as strong as Yamcha, Tien and Chaozu were during their training, and those three were able to stand up to the Ginyu Force, and yes I'm aware that was filler, but just work with me here, fellas).
And while we're at it, perhaps the bigger question is why did Piccolo want to be wished to Namek to fight Freeza in the first place? This was before he had any intention (or fuck, any idea) of fusing. He never came to Namek with the plan to do so. Seriously, what the fuck did he think he could do?!
Piccolo does a lot of stupid things in the series. I'm actually surprised people praise his intelligence when most of his ideas backfire.
Well, yes to your first question, the alloys are stronger to various degrees.
Also, we're talking about MAGICAL POWER LEVELS. They have a few basic logical rules (A+B= C, C > A or B) and that's all. Everything beyond that is nerd wankery over numbers that are proven, over and over, to be meaningless.
Piccolo didn't think Freeza could transform to that degree. He got overconfident, which is the main reason why most fights fail in DBZ.
No I meant before they even started fighting. Freeza in his base form was 250,000 - 500,000. Considering he got killed by Nappa, why would he think he could stand a snowball's chance against Freeza?
Power levels in Dragon Ball are so absurd at times I just ignore it.
So if I want to watch the TV Specials and movies of Z, the best route would be the DVD releases right? For the TV specials, the individual releases since they're 4:3 vs 16:9 on the steelbook, and for the movies would the best route be to get those movie packs on Amazon and watch them in 16:9?
Also I got my Dragon Box Vol. 3! Just waiting for Vol. 6 and I'll have the full Z DVD set.
I kind of want to pick up the Rock the Dragon set later on for nostalgia even if I prefer the Japanese dub + music now.
So if I want to watch the TV Specials and movies of Z, the best route would be the DVD releases right? For the TV specials, the individual releases since they're 4:3 vs 16:9 on the steelbook, and for the movies would the best route be to get those movie packs on Amazon and watch them in 16:9?
Also I got my Dragon Box Vol. 3! Just waiting for Vol. 6 and I'll have the full Z DVD set.
I kind of want to pick up the Rock the Dragon set later on for nostalgia even if I prefer the Japanese dub + music now.
It mentions that if Piccolo were to be "complete" his power level would be massive. Adding Nail did not make him "complete" bu it did allow him to be much like his former self, which most likely, would've been about as strong as Frieza.
Also, The Power Creep in the Frieza Arc is absolutely absurd. Within 7 days Goku goes from 10K - 20K to 180,000 (probably higher), then he gets to be well over 2 million just be healing.
Gohan's surge can somewhat be explained, but
Oh, well, Piccolo trained with King Kai, that likely gave him a confidence boost.
Also, he was worried about Gohan and, honestly, wanted revenge for the race he never knew.
Nah he got the crap kicked out of him by Vega on earth and healed from that so he's probably went from about where Vegeta was on early Namek (30,000 or so) to 200,000-300,000 from the gravity. Then he'd double again and make the rest up using Kaioken the entire fight until he transforms.
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The power up from near-death experience is such a bullshit.
No worse than being able to survive with only one cell blob remaining but above Piccolo's regeneration.
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I still can never decide internally whether Cell's bullshit powers outweigh Buu's.
Cell can:
Get stronger by eating people in his first form only.
Get stronger by being killed like Goku.
Regenerate any body part with time like Piccolo.
Can survive with the smallest piece of him left.
Can learn any move seemingly megaman style.
Can clone himself into mini cells that are still strong as shit.
Buu can
Do most of that crap but magically. Can always get stronger by eating people but can't get stronger by being beat up. Has to eat people to learn stuff. Can turn people into chocolate which is some big bullshit but does it equal the get strong by being beat up nonsense, I do not know.
Cell can:
Get stronger by eating people in his first form only.
Get stronger by being killed like Goku.
Regenerate any body part with time like Piccolo.
Can survive with the smallest piece of him left.
Can learn any move seemingly megaman style.
Can clone himself into mini cells that are still strong as shit.
Buu can
Do most of that crap but magically. Can always get stronger by eating people but can't get stronger by being beat up. Has to eat people to learn stuff. Can turn people into chocolate which is some big bullshit but does it equal the get strong by being beat up nonsense, I do not know.
Vegeta was listed as 26,000 before Namek
also, the funny thing is that Vegeta mentions that the wounds you face with the power-up can't be self inflicted, which further disproves Gokus incredible increase in power.
The best way to explain the polwer-up from near death experience is that the ability was there, but Goku powergamed his way to be able to somewhat compete with Frieza, and the GM cut that shit out (No one else has that large of an increase in power in that short of a time, disregarding transformations and fusions)
Also, why the fuck did Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu never learned the Kaioken. That could've been a nice way to keep them relevant in the series.
Also, Ive been working on a Dragonball Tabletop RPG, once I'm done thinking of the rules, I post em up here to see what you guys think
All I can say is that thank god Cell showed up to save the Android Arc. The Androids made absolutely no sense, and it makes sense that a clone of every single warrior could be that strong, not robots made in a lab by an earthling
But then it gets boring again once Cell becomes complete. He has no motivation anymore, so he is just a villain for the sake of a being a villain. He's gonna host a tournament because PLOT and he's gonna blow up the planet if he wins because VILLAIN. I mean, what's he gonna do then? Fly to a new planet and destroy that? Does he have a spaceship, because he doesn't know how to teleport yet.
I mean, just my opinion of course, but I've always felt the best part of that arc was when Imperfect Cell was running around.
Definitely, although there was a certain element to Cell that just made him super badass as Perfect Cell.
I think he was planning on just destroying the universe if I remember correctly. He was killing Goku because he was made to do so. Just like how the Androids were just going around blowing shit up after killing the Z Warriors. It's not that they were evil perse, it's just their purpose had run its course, and the next logical thing as a deathgod with no purpose is to blow shit up.
Cell was the closest we got to King Piccolo in DBZ IMO, and King Piccolo is probably my favorite Villain in Dragon Ball.
if we're going to make a DBZ Villain Power Rankings it's go to be:
1. Frieza
2. Vegeta (Majin Vegeta was pretty ballin too)
3. Ginyu Force (Rekoome Especially)
4. Cell
5. Nappa
6. Kid Buu
7. Android 19 & 20 (Those mutherfuckers were incredibly well designed, they didn't last long, but man where they awesome robots)
8. Android 17 & 18
9. Raditz
10. Fat Buu
11. Super Buu
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I don't think the strength of the cyborgs is a problem. #8 is already really strong in the Red Ribbon arc of Dragon Ball, it makes sense that the technology would progress over time.
That's not even mentioning "Earth Splitter" Arale.
That's not even mentioning "Earth Splitter" Arale.
Ki Absorption really could've been an awesome equalizer between the two groups, it makes a lot more sense then LOL ROBOTS ARE 2 STRONK
Frieza became a fucking cyborg with the best technology in the universe and still lost to Future Trunks, that was even before the Future Trunks 3 year time skip.
#8 Is just said to be powerful, but we never get to see his power. The only other Cyborg is the Terminator spoof character and he was easily beaten by Goku.
Arale might "technically" be canon, but she's not canon. That was more of a joke then anything.
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I'll have to go with Buu. If any cell of his survive he fully regenerates with hardly any difference after an attack. He can learn techniques just by seeing it once actually. Only thing he doesn't have is getting stronger by almost getting killed.
Movies ain't canon brah
also, that was in DB, the power levels were so horrendously low compared to Z. A Frieza Grunt could've easily annihilated Goku.
See but that's what would really make Cell invincible if he hadn't gotten killed by SSJ2 Gohan. It's not his fault he gets killed.
If anything its the chocolate beam that would push Buu over the edge for me.
I agree and the power levels thing is a plot device that really culminated with:
Reading that gave me goosebumps at the time. Beyond that point I don't think the numbers really matter and the constant power gain leapfrogging has been a DB staple since the beginning, to be taken at face value. The over-analysing that goes on at sites such as the DB Wiki desperately miss the point.
According to the anime yes, but the manga is more vague. Freeza had his own variation of the move, and both Goku/Vegeta use it. #18 uses it too, but probably learned it from Krillin.
It makes no sense that an earthling in a lab can build a time machine, an ability even God cannot master.
Or maybe it does make sense in that sometimes people just are really smart and when they're really focused and driven they can achieve anything, which is the entire point of Dragonball.
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I think if Perfect Cell was to fight Kid Buu (weaker than super I know, but more random and brutal), he'll lose big time even at equal strength. Buu's ultimate strength is his endurance and immortality. I don't think he'll give Cell a chance to regenerate or even let him. Kid Buu is merciless.
Cell would be at a disadvantage for sure. He could win if he managed a perfect Spirit Bomb, though.
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That'll require him to have something to distract Buu. But I guess Cell Jrs can work if they can live long enough. Funny if they get absorbed.