Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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Gohan didn't need the ritual again, so that is redundant. His training with Piccolo was fine and it helped address an issue from the Buu Saga. The Goku vs. Gohan episode should have just cut the double team part since it was really unneeded and it wasn't much of a double team anyway. I think the episodes where all the gods have their meeting is fine as well as the sparing match with Skinny Buu and Goku. It set up Buu falling asleep and Goku using the blinding ki spam. I also don't think dumping all the other universes into two episodes like that is good. I liked how the show spread it out, the biggest problem it didn't show enough of it between space poachers and Roshi chasing tail.
No. Because he couldn't access it. Not being able to access his full power... When the ritual is literally "bringing out his full power", he could have received a ritual express that wouldn't have lasted as long. That doesn't make less sense than "oh well I guess I'm just gonna POWER UP to get it back because fuck me I didn't think of it on my own". He had been training for a year with Piccolo so the fact that they made breakthroughs in 4 hours is still ridiculous, mental block or not (that was there for over a year too).
Could have addressed with a line in the Goku fight against Tien maybe or whatever.
This would be included in "other universes part 1". I want all those parts condensed and not spread over multiple episodes.
Whatever, this can be placed in one of the episode, it didn't last long.
Icyflamez96
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Yeah now that I think about it, the double team was kinda stupid.
wait....what
They are breaking him down to build him up
Pretty sure its just mismisdirection. The team is
Suddenly missing a member and the viewer is constantly being reminded that Yamcha is available. Sikes! Its fridgeman instead. Also kind of works at his expense cause he is a joke character now. Then again his reputation should probably tip off the viewer that he would not really be on the team no matter what.
RareFantasy64
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That is a really good point. I'm just a hopeless cheerleader for Yamcha
Hey I get it. He is my favorite DB character because of the original pre-z anime if anything.
Oh you sweet summer child.
Goku uses Freeza as a replacement for Buu. Not Arale, Gotenks, Cell, Ran Fran or anyone else more deserving.
ZeroTheShadow
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Thanks for the unmarked spoiler....
Icyflamez96
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U got me with that list
Or the week after.Chaotic-Strike
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Freeza should have replaced Gohan, who had to attend another conference for maximum salt.
Pankratous
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To be fair to him, that particular spoiler has been posted unmarked about 100 times in this thread already, so by this point if you're in the thread often you'd just assume everybody knows.
wtf.... I was avoiding spoilers too
but then I saw the frieza mention.
So they're gonna wish him back?
Pikkon exists as well. Why not him.
So they're gonna wish him back?
Pikkon exists as well. Why not him.
They might promise him that he'll be wished back after the tournament's over, but he's not being wished back to fight. They're not that stupid. He's fighting with a Halo.
While the show uses non canon stuff, most non canon stuff has been minor, not a huge pivotal story moment, so Pikkon, who is a filler character, wouldn't make too much sense,
especially when Pikkon's existence brings into question the canon of Hell, since Hell was portrayed differently in the episodes Pikkon was in.
While the show uses non canon stuff, most non canon stuff has been minor, not a huge pivotal story moment, so Pikkon, who is a filler character, wouldn't make too much sense,
especially when Pikkon's existence brings into question the canon of Hell, since Hell was portrayed differently in the episodes Pikkon was in.
Romars202129
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Two recruitments, one ep. If anything thats fast.
But seeing how shitty the slice of life stuff was, Id rather they sped it up but the best choice is still to do it better.
Dagobert Duck
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Plus we all know
Mr. Popo
He still had it in him. He just had a mental block. He didn't need the ritual again.
Can't agree with that since training with Piccolo gave Gohan much needed character growth.
I prefer spread out the way it was.
Romars202129
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I just wish the writing was better. I wouldnt have minded a full ep dedicated each to Tein and Roshi if they were well done. 18 too.
And the two parter for 17 could have easily been more entertaining.
Likewise Gohan's big dumb power up could have been done better in several ways.
Its not pacing, its writing quality.
And the two parter for 17 could have easily been more entertaining.
Likewise Gohan's big dumb power up could have been done better in several ways.
Its not pacing, its writing quality.
Gohan's power-up was fine. Nothing was wrong with the writing.
Roshi and Tien's epsoide could have been better and the first epsoide for 17 was fine. The space poachers was well written, but it stalled the story more than it should.
dickroach
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it's been 24 episodes since Zamasu was defeated, Zeno erases him, and the idea of a tournament is brought up.
14 episodes since Zen-Oh told Goku he'd need to gather the universe's ten best fighters for the tournament.
the pacing and writing have both been bad.
What are you trying to do ? Gohan couldn't use the mystic form. Period. The guy that gave him the mystic form was literally right there. He could have went to him and asked for help. Then get it back through either a ritual or talking it out. Whatever. I still think it would be better for the elder kai to be involved over Piccolo because it makes no sense it happens now.
The problem is how convenient it is. Convenience makes for terrible writing, and this is no exception.
Lol. Who says Gohan can't get character growth in the episode that would have been centered on him ? There wouldn't be Gowasu and his shit team to waste time so you can include a scene to have Gohan receive the same growth.
Well I don't. It's still not over. We're looking at another month here.
Romars202129
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You feel one way, I feel another. Particularly, since they've set this time aside for once to look at characters not named Goku, I hardly feel like rushing that.
Either way, people would be complaining a lot less about pacing if these eps were written better I think.
Either way, people would be complaining a lot less about pacing if these eps were written better I think.
As I said, using the ritual again is redundant since he always had his power drawn out to max and pushed. This is like insisting Gohan relearns how to ride a bike when all he needs is a little push to break his mental block. He basically regained his power and more within a few hours. So I don't agree. Elder Kai did his part already.
Convenience isn't terrible writing. Especially when Gohan has already been training on and off anyway. As Piccolo said, Gohan is strong, but he has weaknesses. The Elder Kai ritual wouldn't have addressed those weaknesses, which is why he failed against Super Buu despite all of his power.
He got character growth along with his training. So a two for one instead of using Elder Kai and then him facing Goku and getting character growth. Plus, screw you, Gowasu is great. It take him over 17 any day of the week
I preferred it spread out, but I wished they did a better job at it. But even as lagging as things are, I take this over the info dump episodes you created.
As I said, the recruitment episodes could have been shortened by two or three episodes. We would have gotten the same development, but things would have gone smoother. I thought the pacing was fine until the second 17 episode.
Kagari would destroy you and everything you loved
The internet would be sat ablaze.....now I want this to happen.
Romars202129
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And as I said, put another way, lets agree to disagree.
Kagari would finally join the dark side of team Zamasu was right.
FTFY
Filler arc unforunately so it wouldn't even come into Toriyamas oultine. Would have been interesting to see them bring him back though
I can only imagine the meltdowns.
Toei's office would be burned down
Eh, a filler character being made relevant wouldn't cause meltdowns. Most people would like it.
I remember when I didn't know Pikkon wasn't canon years ago, I was excited at the possibility of his history being related with Piccolo's, because when Goku mentions Piccolo to him, he repeats it like he knew Piccolo.
I remember when I didn't know Pikkon wasn't canon years ago, I was excited at the possibility of his history being related with Piccolo's, because when Goku mentions Piccolo to him, he repeats it like he knew Piccolo.
Romars202129
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Eh, they kinda already made a better Pikkon with Hit though.
Romars202129
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Toriyama really likes his cold, quiet, loner badass types.
Yeah. He described them as cool in an interview.
pillowtalk
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Would be cool if all the deleted universe residents are just combined into one giant one in the end. Could have more stories that way.
A super universe.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
freeze frame, roll credits
Sounds good with the heroes(villains) universe only having so few planets. More planets to destroy for a certain villain lol
Oh geez. Brianne is like kryptonite beyond Roshi's wildest imagination, huh.
dickroach
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ya does anyone tactually hink that this whole saga is going to end with all these universes and everyone in them being erased?
I sure don't.
that's why I wish they would have explored the other universes more in these past six+ months.
they have given U11 a decent amount of screen time, though. so there's probably something going on there in the future.
maybe U7 loses and all the Z Fighters take refuge in U11 or something. i dunno
I sure don't.
that's why I wish they would have explored the other universes more in these past six+ months.
they have given U11 a decent amount of screen time, though. so there's probably something going on there in the future.
maybe U7 loses and all the Z Fighters take refuge in U11 or something. i dunno
Romars202129
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Twitters got Tien's back, even if Toriyama doesn't.
Aside from the second #17 episode (man was that SLOW), I'm having a hard time thinking of an episode where I thought the pacing was noticeably awful. There have been issues with art/animation, content, choices the characters made, etc. but for pacing the arc has been mostly fine so far?
Did this happen? I don't remember this happening at all.
Did this happen? I don't remember this happening at all.
Pikkon and Hit are nothing alike aside the stoic badass archetype.
Yeah Popo was holding back most of his power not to kill Goten
or it's anime filler but that's no fun
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