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Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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foxuzamaki
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This shot really got me. It lets you know that even though Gohan has his power back, he still needs work using it, and Goku training him is the best training.
This shot just really elevates the idea that Gohan is off the chain, and the close up face shot is just really on model here.
Oh god Toei this is probably the best Gohan closeup I've ever seen
"Not yet!" Gohan gets ready for his dad to charge at him from tossing him away.
SPIRAL POWA DESU
When your son gets more serious than you in a fight
Gohan really going all out here.
Okay THIS might be the best closeup.
Eye See You
This is one of the best pull away shots in the episode. At this point you know things are going full hype because Goku just pulled out Super Saiyan Blue.
Aw shit dad just pulled out SSBKK. Yeahhhh.
OK, OK, THIS might be the best closeup in the episode.
Goku is not without some amazing shots as well, this one highlights his strength and power.
Possibly the absolute BEST pull away shot in the episode. It's evocative of Gohan wanting to reach Goku's heights. Literally.
This gives you a false sense of, or foreshadowing, that Gohan CAN surpass his dad if he tries hard enough.
Then at the end, we can be happy that Gohan has finally returned and there's more on the way.
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She trained 5 minutes, by super's standards, that means she might be 4 times stronger than Piccolo for all we know.
He got caught in a hectic situation, yes. Just sayin, I doubt a real one-on-one fight would end in a second.
SenjutsuSage
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What the Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs Mystic Gohan battle showcased is that it's not enough to achieve any particular level or power. Combat ability and fighting sense matters a great deal also.
Whoo! Hardcore DBZ fan buddy of mine has been getting all his Super information from me since he's had a low opinion so far (a bit more positive with Goku Black saga). I sent him the fights from this episode and even he has to admit it's good.
Now the hypothetical Piccolo Vs. Frost rematch. That has the potential to right so many wrongs, but it has to be done perfectly. Let me tell you how this match must go.
First off, Frost has to get some new shit. Yeah, Golden Frost is a given, but some more things to differentiate him from Freeza. I don't watch next episode previews; someone said he might be trained by Hit? Have him actually introduce a mix of Hit's assassin style pressure point strikes and Freeza's wide range of energy attacks. Have him use those in combos.
Piccolo fights with Frost's first form. Frost knows Piccolo's a tricky one, but he thinks he'll win because Piccolo simply wasn't on his level this time. Piccolo dominates the fight, showing that he's much stronger now than he was in the last tournament. Frost realizes that he can't win in this form, but no matter, he just transforms to Golden Frost.
Now Piccolo can't win in a straight fight. He thinks about using the Special Beam Cannon again, but Frost is going to see through it. So he starts using all kinds of nonsense. Attacking with his detached limbs, hellzone grenade, whatever. Piccolo's the kids and Golden Frost is the bunny. Piccolo's got all the tricks and Frost can't do anything about it.
And Piccolo wins. He's got to prove that being the smart guy matters in the Dragonball universe. He gets the win he was cheated out of last time.
Now the hypothetical Piccolo Vs. Frost rematch. That has the potential to right so many wrongs, but it has to be done perfectly. Let me tell you how this match must go.
First off, Frost has to get some new shit. Yeah, Golden Frost is a given, but some more things to differentiate him from Freeza. I don't watch next episode previews; someone said he might be trained by Hit? Have him actually introduce a mix of Hit's assassin style pressure point strikes and Freeza's wide range of energy attacks. Have him use those in combos.
Piccolo fights with Frost's first form. Frost knows Piccolo's a tricky one, but he thinks he'll win because Piccolo simply wasn't on his level this time. Piccolo dominates the fight, showing that he's much stronger now than he was in the last tournament. Frost realizes that he can't win in this form, but no matter, he just transforms to Golden Frost.
Now Piccolo can't win in a straight fight. He thinks about using the Special Beam Cannon again, but Frost is going to see through it. So he starts using all kinds of nonsense. Attacking with his detached limbs, hellzone grenade, whatever. Piccolo's the kids and Golden Frost is the bunny. Piccolo's got all the tricks and Frost can't do anything about it.
And Piccolo wins. He's got to prove that being the smart guy matters in the Dragonball universe. He gets the win he was cheated out of last time.
Vicetrailia
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I think it does in the context of this fight. It's safe to assume that.
foxuzamaki
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Both goku and vegeta have mentioned that they are getting older and they can't get the gains they use to, remember when they spent 3 years in the hyperbolic time chamber and only had okish gains
Icyflamez96
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Hey, it didn't say he used them.
What context. Gohan told Goku to used his full power and hit him twice. That assumption is a leap.
A joke, yet Gohan got a right hook to face when he told his dad to go all out.
Vegeta also said Saiyan have no limits and he made big gains in just half a year to beat up Black.
The Silver
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Tien tricked everyone into thinking he could hang, that's true trickery.
Icyflamez96
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It'll be funny if Goku's new form is actually related to "Mystic" considering Gohan's line in this episode.
It is. He only has 4 hours left to shit it out and so does Gohan.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I really hope the dub changes it to like a week or something.
Mister Wolf
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Please stop, Goku told him to use more power implying he knew Gohan was holding back. Gohan powers through Goku's beam gets hit and it doesn't fade him then commences to beating Gokus's ass and rag dolling him like a child in a game of mercy. All while asking him to get serious because this current attempt at fighting him isn't enough. Have you ever been rag dolled when you were a child by someone stronger than you? If so then I'm sure you understand the difference in strength required.
DiipuSurotu
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We just had battle damage tho
Hard to believe that's nearly 30 episodes ago
I thought the only reason they did that was so that Vegito doesn't need a redesign (Vegeta broke his chest plate and his sleeve is conveniently missing).
Trunks didn't even lose his jacket. It it were DBZ he would have removed it at the first explosion sustained (let alone when his muscles swelled when he unlocked his Super Trunks form).
Here's the thing. If Goku actually pushed him like 17, Gohan wouldn't need to asked.
And beam hits was just a distraction for Goku's back attack. Buu did the same thing to him. He didn't beat him until later in the fight and even then Goku got shots in that reeled Gohan.
Gohan didn't rag doll Goku at all.
A fandom assumption. Vegeta didn't lose his armor in the manga.
DiipuSurotu
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The manga has no bearing on what I said...
Haha thanks, it feels like it's been ages.
Vicetrailia
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Gohan still powered up after those hits. He's just not stronger than kaiossb. That's what the ep is implying.
Mister Wolf
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Didn't ragdoll? What do you call locking up mercy style with someone overtaking them in a physical strength contest and swinging them around like an adult can do a little kid haha.
ArchedThunder
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Do we need a new thread title?
Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Tien is the new Yamcha
It was Kaioken x10 that fucked with him, as far as we know he's only been using the basic level Kaioken.
Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Tien is the new Yamcha
It was Kaioken x10 that fucked with him, as far as we know he's only been using the basic level Kaioken.
Since Yamcha has his own manga, I suggest we replace Yamcha with Tien to keep the joke going.
Then Buu, then Piccolo when he ultimately jobs.
Ultra Numb
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That's irrelevant.
He was holding his own within that small exchange - it's not rocket science.
Besides, in this case the episode actually backs up the summery. Goku as SSB was very clearly serious. You're looking at a number, the number of hits when you're fighting against a serious Goku is irrelevant. The point is that Gohan being able to even land two hits and compete with a serious SSB's speed and strength is incredible. Anything less would get shitstomped.
Oh, and there's nothing to imply that Gohan wouldn't of been able to keep it up against regular SSB. But there is something to imply he could... The fact that everything we have from the summery to the actual on-screen exchange points to Gohan holding his own.
ArchedThunder
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I just realized this thread is a little over half way finished...
We're going to hit OT7 in time for the tournament, aren't we...
We're going to hit OT7 in time for the tournament, aren't we...
Icyflamez96
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I was never a fan of this thread title tbh. We tried combining the good ideas we had into one but it ended up being worse (imo) than if we just went with a singular idea.
RocknRola
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Crazy that we're already heading for the 7th one!
Icyflamez96
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I'm of the mind that the Gohan punch means that he's "around SSB" level, but I don't think it proves he would beat SSB Goku in an actual fight.
get your wishes ready
Why does everyone act as if Goku couldn't feel Gohan's power ?
Gohan said he was at full power, he doesn't have God ki and isn't an android. Goku can feel his ki. If Goku went ssj2 it's because he didn't assume Gohan's power was up there.
What happened is that Gohan's fighting sense and will allowed him to exceed Goku's expectations.
And they revealed Gohan will get an improved mystic form that will probably put him on par/ above Goku.
Gohan said he was at full power, he doesn't have God ki and isn't an android. Goku can feel his ki. If Goku went ssj2 it's because he didn't assume Gohan's power was up there.
What happened is that Gohan's fighting sense and will allowed him to exceed Goku's expectations.
And they revealed Gohan will get an improved mystic form that will probably put him on par/ above Goku.
This episode felt more like future proofing Gohan. He's not at Blue level yet, but not only has Gohan set his eyes on getting up to Blue, but realizing he needs to match Kaioken stacked on Blue as well.
Goku was shocked Gohan wasn't going SSJ, which implies he didn't notice the jump from base to Ultimate, so shouldn't that be an indication of Goku not feeling his power?
Holding it on a small exchanged with two hits doesn't mean they're equals. That is like claiming that Krillin was closed to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku because he managed to briefly pushed back Goku's Kamehameha. Goku was barely a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and did next to nothing with Gohan before using Kaioken.
There is nothing that implies Gohan could have hold is own against Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku outside "he got two hits" and a summery that wasn't that accurate to begin with.
I feel like it probably will. The ending of Z was "and then more adventures happened" so there's no reason it has to end there at all.
I see 2 options.
Option 1: We get to EoZ, they remake it to fit in Super's timeline, and they end Super there and start a new series after that.
Option 2: They continue past EoZ in Super, now that they've made the cast relevant which was the thing holding Toriyama back from wanting to do anything past EoZ.
Either way GT doesn't exist. Whether they put the final nail in GT by going into when GT is suppose to take place, and do something different from GT or not, who knows, but I'd be shocked and annoyed if they tied Super into GT.
90's summary that mentioned the Tenshinhan thing came from Jump, which has printed inaccurate information before. 91 is from Animedia, who are usually more to the point.
ArchedThunder
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That's where I am, I think he can fight toe to toe with Blue, but ultimately he'd probably lose.
New Dragon Ball will almost definitely go past the end of Z, whether it will still be called Super at that point who knows.
GT is already being ignored.
Even then, we saw that Gohan didn't really fight Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. Most of the fight was Super Saiyan 2 Goku and he didn't feel the need to go into his god form until Gohan asked him to. Unlike with 17 who juggled Goku as a Super Saiyan and Goku didn't even land a hit on him.
RocknRola
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Yamcha to become the GOD am confirmed?ArchedThunder
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Nah, we've had different things going on at the same time, Goku spent a whole night with 17 while Gohan and Piccolo trained.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
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