Is this where he achieves Super Saiyan Angel form
Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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He was selfish, but he wasn't an asshole. Yeah he lied, but he was in hurry to help Trunks.
All you wrote paints Goku as reckless, not an asshole.
So you think the Grand Priest lied because....
He only changed his mind once and he did it when he knew Goku wouldn't lose.
I said intention doesn't matter because when it was pointed out that Goku had no intention to put the multiverse in danger, no one cared and it was all "Goku was a selfish asshole who destroyed the multiverse". So him helping the universe so fall under the same guidelines of intention doesn't matter "Goku saved at least one universe".
He didn't "knowingly risking putting other people in danger". He thought he was asking for a tournament. Unless you have a statement that says Goku wanted universes destroyed, you can't honestly say he "knowingly risking putting other people in danger". And that analogy is really stupid since that bull was going to gored those people regardless if the pen was opened by Goku.
Reizo Ryuu
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Goku the asshole (n‿n)
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Vegeta's been putting in WORK on the low. Wouldn't be surprised if he's surpassed Goku again.
RareFantasy64
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Hey, has this been brought up?
On /r/DBZ, someone linked to a twitter account, @toshio916; https://twitter.com/toshio916/status/867661131250229248
and said this person is a writer on Dragon Ball Super. Some of his tweets seem to be about Yamcha's involvement or lack thereof in this arc (or the series in general). I ran the comments through Google Translate and this is what I got
@Toshio916 tweet from May 25:
ヤムチャは原作の後半で既に自ら厳しい闘いに挑むようなタイプではなくなっています。もちろんそれが彼の人柄として魅力になってもいます。今回も誘われないことが寂しいだけで、実際に誘われたらビビって断るかもしれません。あくまでも私の想像ですが💦
google translation;
Yamcha is no longer a type that challenges himself to a difficult fight already in the latter part of the original work. Of course it is also attractive as his personality. Just lonely that I can not be invited this time, may be refusing Bibi if actually invited. Although it is my imagination to the last
A fan replies to that:
確かに、セル編も仕方なくって感じでしたねw OVAがあるなら力の大会開催時にガラ空きになった地球を守るヤムチャを見てみたい
google translation;
Certainly, I did not have a cell stuff as well. W I'd like to see Yamcha that protects the Earth that got empty when holding a competition event if I have OVA
@Toshio916 replies....
ヤムチャと餃子の出番ですね👍 二人が活躍して地球を守る話とか書いてみたいです。
google translation;
Yamcha and dumplings are on their way to go 👍 I'd like to write stories to protect the planet by their success.
On /r/DBZ, someone linked to a twitter account, @toshio916; https://twitter.com/toshio916/status/867661131250229248
and said this person is a writer on Dragon Ball Super. Some of his tweets seem to be about Yamcha's involvement or lack thereof in this arc (or the series in general). I ran the comments through Google Translate and this is what I got
@Toshio916 tweet from May 25:
ヤムチャは原作の後半で既に自ら厳しい闘いに挑むようなタイプではなくなっています。もちろんそれが彼の人柄として魅力になってもいます。今回も誘われないことが寂しいだけで、実際に誘われたらビビって断るかもしれません。あくまでも私の想像ですが💦
google translation;
Yamcha is no longer a type that challenges himself to a difficult fight already in the latter part of the original work. Of course it is also attractive as his personality. Just lonely that I can not be invited this time, may be refusing Bibi if actually invited. Although it is my imagination to the last
A fan replies to that:
確かに、セル編も仕方なくって感じでしたねw OVAがあるなら力の大会開催時にガラ空きになった地球を守るヤムチャを見てみたい
google translation;
Certainly, I did not have a cell stuff as well. W I'd like to see Yamcha that protects the Earth that got empty when holding a competition event if I have OVA
@Toshio916 replies....
ヤムチャと餃子の出番ですね👍 二人が活躍して地球を守る話とか書いてみたいです。
google translation;
Yamcha and dumplings are on their way to go 👍 I'd like to write stories to protect the planet by their success.
DiipuSurotu
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"Yamcha and dumplings are on their way to go 👍" does sound like it could be the title of a DBZ OVA.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Not really because the answer to "Why didn't you tell us something that important?" is just "well I was going to but Gohan told me not to".
If Frieza is smart, his terms should be getting to make a wish with the Dragon Balls. Super ones, if Goku slips out that these more powerful variations of the Dragon Balls exist and the winners of the tournament get a chance to use them.
...dumplings? lol
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Chiaotzu
RareFantasy64
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I wondered if the dumplings meant Goten and Trunks?
SenjutsuSage
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This episode confirmed for me the last man standing will be... Krillin.
That will be the big twist. Beerus threatened him to make sure he is the absolute last person and to not get knocked out, so it will be funny if it actually does end up working out that way.
It will come down to an old school original dragon ball style battle between Krillin and someone from another universe that is in the same league as him powerwise, but is equally smart or crafty in combat. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being Krillin vs the General from Universe 11, the one who rescued the cat.
That will be the big twist. Beerus threatened him to make sure he is the absolute last person and to not get knocked out, so it will be funny if it actually does end up working out that way.
It will come down to an old school original dragon ball style battle between Krillin and someone from another universe that is in the same league as him powerwise, but is equally smart or crafty in combat. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being Krillin vs the General from Universe 11, the one who rescued the cat.
Checked Chiatzou also means dumpling
RareFantasy64
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We're getting a Yamcha/Chiaotzu (and I'm betting Goten and Trunks) side story during this arc!!!!!!!!!!
This may go down as the GOAT DB arc. Everyone getting something to do
If we get a Budokai-styled game set in this arc, it's gonna be lit
Lol yet another food reference.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I don't get how anyone has any affinity for Chiaotzu. He's done next to nothing, maybe even less than Yamcha
Reizo Ryuu
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Ehh a 1v1 style game doesn't seem to be the best representation for a literal 80 person free for all about to happen.
RareFantasy64
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Good point! I was just thinking of how much I liked Budokai 3 and how a new game done in that style with so many different characters to choose from may be a breath of fresh air following the Tenkaichi series and XV games but don't the XV games allow for fights involving a plethora of characters at once? That style would be truer to this arc than a 1v1 styled game
Jiren and Goku will end up knocking each other out or something. I honestly think the last people in the ring will be Toppo, Freeza and Krillin. Freeza will work well with the team until this moment when he will kill Krillin again and lose on purpose. Toppo will have a mental breakdown in the face of such evil
Sgt.Pepper
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I have a tingling feeling on my back. Why the hell am I not becoming ssj?
Reizo Ryuu
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I think xv2 has a max of 9 characters (5 enemies, 3 players, mentor spawn), I'm sure it actually supports more, but there are performance reasons to consider on consoles.
Though the game does allow for continuous spawning of enemies when one of the 5 is defeated.
And it's all a bunch of nothing lol.
The Grand Priest for being the second most powerful person in existence is awefully slow at constructing an arena for the fighters
Also before people nitpick my post i doubt it's anything but bookends for episodes
Dude I think that might be nerve damage 👀
angelic
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I've got a funny feeling it's going to be enormous, like way bigger than any arena we've seen. They can't have a simple arena with 80 people on it, all in sight. I dont take the opening graphics as anything to go by either..maybe you wont be able to see the edges until you're close to them.
Reizo Ryuu
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was city sized imo.
Icyflamez96
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His intentions were to ignore the potential risks to satisfy his own desires. The way he just completely disregarded Beerus and Whis was super assholish. I had this same argument back back then and I've seen other people with it too (on reddit anyway).
As for the last sentence, I think you missed my point about how what ended up being the result of the action is irrelevant. Doesn't change the fact that it was an assholish move.
Icyflamez96
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I was just thinking about how much I liked it.
Reizo Ryuu
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But then you're just going by the dialogue from the perspective of certain characters, and not from the perspective of the people having actual interaction. I mean everyone was freaking out the first time they met even though zen'o literally saying "it's fine", heck whis was even smiling when they shook hands.
It's easy to just go with the people freaking out, because it's so front and center, but goku not seeing a 'bad guy' is the entire reason why he acts the way he does and is ultimately the most important thing because it is what his common thread throughout DB has been about.
I think that's shingles.
Nah, I like it. It builds up anticipation for the tournament.
JadedWriter
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Icyflamez96
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean. The characters that Goku disregarded knew much more of Zeno's true nature. Even after that meeting with him, Whis and Beerus still advised against Goku's actions, and since Goku was so caught up on getting his hit of strong guys, he said, and I quote "fuck yall risks, I'm gettin mine lmao"
It was a selfish move, but being selfish doesn't make a person an asshole if they intended no harm. And no matter the intentions, it turned out for the best.
They knew the most about Zen'o but didn't know he was going waste eight universes for their crappy rankings. So they obviously don't know Zen'o that well if they didn't see that coming.
Linkstrikesback
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This is doubly annoying, given it's not long after goku caused a Zeno to erase an entire universe , which would have included him /vegeta/bulma/future trunks had they not had a time machine, of which Zeno had no way of knowing they did.
Beerus was absolutely right when he said he should erase goku at that point.
Icyflamez96
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What it turned out for doesn't matter. If you randomly bet your house that you'll win the lottery and you do, it doesn't make it not a stupid/reckless bet to make just because you won on some off chance. Outcome doesn't necassarily determine the nature of the action.
Huh? That only shows that the other characters were right about Zeno and that Goku was wrong. The characters say he's unpredictable and dangerous, and they were absolutely right.
Reizo Ryuu
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They advised goku based on a zen'o that has never interacted the way he has with goku.
Goku doesn't see the danger because to him zen'o is his friend
Icyflamez96
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Whis and Beerus knew that even despite their first interaction that it was still risky for Goku to go to Zeno, and they were right.
Reizo Ryuu
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Right about what exactly?
I hope you're not creating the narrative that the angels are all conspiring together and lying about the universes being destroyed eventually anyway.
Icyflamez96
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Right that he was dangerous and unpredictable, and that it was risky for Goku to go to him. I don't know where you got the rest from.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
At first I thought the back thing was just a random one time thing they mentioned just because. Like when Gohan taught Videl how to harness ki. But no they REALLY wanted the audience to see those upper back sparkles. They are REALLY important.
Reizo Ryuu
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Dangerous and unpredictable how? What terrible thing happened when goku went to see him anyway?
He got a tournament that moved the destruction of at least 8 universes from "some time in the future if Zeno remembers, maybe" to "41 hours from now."
Icyflamez96
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The stakes of the tournament.
Reizo Ryuu
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Why does it matter when it happens? The fact remains all of them were going to be wiped without notice, now one of them is guaranteed to survive instead.
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