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[Fulminator]

I don't think it really needs to be explained. Hit showed up casually stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta with no explanation. It's a big multiverse

Yeah that's true, but Hit also has a crazy superpower technique though. He is also not ridiculously stronger than ssb, as Goku beat him in episode 77 (without kaioken)

Jiren is just really strong , stronger than anything we've ever seen. It'd be cool if we found out how he got that strong.

 

[caliph95]

Yeha he's trained for like what, 4 weeks his entire life to get to gold level? Lol. Dude was just born and gifted super powerful.

Then goes to the gym, few bench presses and squats, eats some oats and in a month comes back stronger than ssj blue. Lol.

4 months and he was already beyond Blue he just didn't learn to control his energy

 

[redfox088]

Yeha he's trained for like what, 4 months his entire life to get to gold level? Lol. Dude was just born and gifted super powerful.

Then goes to the gym, few bench presses and squats, eats some oats and in a month comes back stronger than ssj blue. Lol.

Fixed.


Beaten like yamcha

 

[Oregano]

I like how they pretended Hit was trying to exploit an opening with Jiren when everybody knows he was just tagging in for his boy Goku.

 

[ajim]

4 months and he was already beyond Blue he just didn't learn to control his energy

Yeah I know...just exaggerating how powerful the dude could be. Haha

 

[Mory Dunz]

wow bergamo is really strong

 

[caliph95]

Fixed.


Beaten like yamcha

 

[B-Dubs]

wow bergamo is really strong

You really can't see the difference between those two screen grabs?

 

[Icyflamez96]

All we need to explore is like U6, and maybe the universes that didn't have to compete in this stupid tournament to begin with.

I don't know if it's you or skeeter who did this, but at some point you were hating on Cabba and said basically that you don't want screen time or focus to be wasted on Cabba because he has no character. But focus is how you get to know and like characters. Characters can't "build character" without some screentime and focus. The *focus* that U6 already got is why you are so interested in U6.

You would likely care more about some of the other universes if the show previously had explored them more significantly. You'd find characters that you like, aesthetics, societies, planets, anything.

Which is why I think this arc would have a lot more wight if we actually got to know at least some of these other universes better. Yeah I don't really care about any of them now, and that's the problem. A problem that had a remedy. If those universes were explored more in other arcs, I would care a lot more about the fate of those universes, and thus enjoy the arc a lot more.

 

[redfox088]

I like how they pretended Hit was trying to exploit an opening with Jiren when everybody knows he was just tagging in for his boy Goku.

Seemed more like when a bully gets jealous when another bully comes into the picture

 

[caliph95]

wow bergamo is really strong

Bergamo was the true mortal beyond GoD he was just holding back so other universes can have a chance

 

[Bobo Dakes]

We're forgetting he used that form against Krillin and 17, right?

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Yeah that's true, but Hit also has a crazy superpower technique though. He is also not ridiculously stronger than ssb, as Goku beat him in episode 77 (without kaioken)

Jiren is just really strong , stronger than anything we've ever seen. It'd be cool if we found out how he got that strong.

I expect some sort of flashbacks between the clown and jiren.

Also is Universe 11 modeled after DC? I saw a comment about it on Twitter, and seems to fit.

Jiren= Superman
Clown= Joker
Angel= Harley Quinn
Pride Troopers= Justice League

 

[ArchedThunder]

Dragon Ball Super |OT9| Dragon Ball Ultra (Instinct)

 

[Ashodin]

Dragon Ball Super |OT9| Deus ex Goku

 

[Kagari]

We're forgetting he used that form against Krillin and 17, right?

Oh boy not this argument again...

 

[Mory Dunz]

You really can't see the difference between those two screen grabs?

you're right.

Bergamo actually did better vs SSB Kaio Ken. At least he managed to hold off the kamehameha for a second, and didn't faint afterwards.

Gohan just whiffed vs Kaio Ken and fainted. Wow Bergamo might be top 10 in the show


....or maybe just maybe these are bad barometers.

We're forgetting he used that form against Krillin and 17, right?

oh yea, this too.

 

[biosnake20]

So when is vegeta getting a new form

Spoiler

lol

 

[redfox088]

We're forgetting he used that form against Krillin and 17, right?

Krillin and 17 were begging him to use full power as well? And we’re they landing blows that had goku gasping for air?

 

[LotusHD]

I'll wait for some new Gohan feats before ever hyping him up again

 

[caliph95]

Krillin and 17 were begging him to use full power as well? And we’re they landing blows that had goku gasping for air?

17 was

 

[Icyflamez96]

I feel like Vegeta has to get this form now considering the context behind it.

Unless "Ultra Instinct" isn't tied to that form. Still confused on that.

 

[Fulminator]

17 didn't have to ask

 

[redfox088]

So when is vegeta getting a new form

Spoiler

lol

Vegeta will obtain UI when it is no longer impressive
Such is his plight

 

[Mory Dunz]

Krillin and 17 were begging him to use full power as well? And we’re they landing blows that had goku gasping for air?

um....
17 did....


These are bad barometers regardless

 

[Skeeter49]

I don't know if it's you or skeeter who did this, but at some point you were hating on Cabba and said basically that you don't want screen time or focus to be wasted on Cabba because he has no character. But focus is how you get to know and like characters. Characters can't "build character" without some screentime and focus. The *focus* that U6 already got is why you are so interested in U6.

You would likely care more about some of the other universes if the show previously had explored them more significantly. You'd find characters that you like, aesthetics, societies, planets, anything.

Which is why I think this arc would have a lot more wight if we actually got to know at least some of these other universes better. Yeah I don't really care about any of them now, and that's the problem. A problem that had a remedy. If those universes were explored more in other arcs, I would care a lot more about the fate of those universes, and thus enjoy the arc a lot more.

I want U6 explored, I want Cabba's relationship with Sadala explored.
I hate on Cabba a lot, but I want actual reasons to like him.

I like his relationship with Vegeta, and I like how he cares about Sadala, those 2 things need to be explored more.

 

[redfox088]

um....
17 did....


These are bad barometers regardless

Did goku use Kaioken to finish that fight? Don’t remember....

 

[SparksterMeta0]

Dragon Ball Super |OT10| Ultra Post-Special Hype Edition

Dragon Ball Super |OT10| ULTRAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[redfox088]

Y’all ninjas desperately tryna son my nicca Gohan...the reach is strong with this one.

 

[ArchedThunder]

The amazing quality of Yuya Takahashi's art can not be overstated.

He is now my favorite modern Dragon Ball artist.

 

[HardRojo]

So when is vegeta getting a new form

Spoiler

lol

His quick reaction to dodging Ribrianne's roll was probably like 0.05% UI, we don't know. We have yet to see what Goku can do now and how he goes UI again, I don't think he'll be able to use it in the next few episodes at all. I like to think of UI as a very heightened state of one's self that makes you perceive everything in much higher detail, a bit like Flash or the movie Limitless.

 

[Mory Dunz]

I'll wait for some new Gohan feats before ever hyping him up again

pretty much this. He looked cooler vs that one guy, and then got taken to school by the Yadrat in an actual serious battle.

So that's what we have to go on

 

[Fulminator]

The amazing quality of Yuya Takahashi's art can not be overstated.

He is now my favorite modern Dragon Ball artist.

Yup that sequence was out of this world. Movie quality art and animation

 

[Slaythe]

Did goku use Kaioken to finish that fight? Don’t remember....

Because he didn't finish that fight at all....

 

[Unbounded]

Dragon ball Super |OT9| "GO BEYOND! PLUS ULTRA!"

Spoiler

I have no shame

 

[Kagari]

um....
17 did....


These are bad barometers regardless

Then let's go with what official materials say:
Animedia: "In the training match, Gohan displays enough power to hold his own against Goku, showing that he's grown stronger than ever before."

Episode 90 recap: "Gohan showed power that rivals Goku." etc. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp. They bumped Gohan and 17 up to Blue level, that's all there is to it.

 

[caliph95]

His quick reaction to dodging Ribrianne's roll was probably like 0.05% UI, we don't know. We have yet to see what Goku can do now and how he goes UI again, I don't think he'll be able to use it in the next few episodes at all. I like to think of UI as a very heightened state of one's self that makes you perceive everything in much higher detail, a bit like Flash or the movie Limitless.

He was just creeped and moved you can see his face when he decided no

 

[HardRojo]

The amazing quality of Yuya Takahashi's art can not be overstated.

He is now my favorite modern Dragon Ball artist.

SHEEEEIIIIITT!! That was the absolute best moment in the fight.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Did goku use Kaioken to finish that fight? Don’t remember....

the 17 fight?

no I don't think so. After the kamehamaha I think they just stopped fighting. I may need to recheck.

 

[Slaythe]

The amazing quality of Yuya Takahashi's art can not be overstated.

He is now my favorite modern Dragon Ball artist.

He's been mine for a long time.

I was hoping he'd get more 17 cuts but apparently he's wasted on Kale ? :/

 

[Skeeter49]

So when is vegeta getting a new form

Spoiler

lol

After Caulifla, Gohan, Kale and maybe Cabba get it.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

It is pretty crazy how much stronger Gohan is compared to his younger self against Cell, yet has none of the intensiveness.

 

[Skii]

He's stronger than SS3, but I wouldn't say he's God status yet, or even close really.

So Gohan fighting toe to toe with SSB isn't enough lmao.

He only lost vs SSBKK.

I dont understand where people just pluck up this nonsense from. We all watched the same thing right?

 

[Icyflamez96]

The amazing quality of Yuya Takahashi's art can not be overstated.

He is now my favorite modern Dragon Ball artist.

Could you or someone put that all into one image so I can send it to some people pls.

 

[Slaythe]

the 17 fight?

no I don't think so. After the kamehamaha I think they just stopped fighting. I may need to recheck.

They fought after. They were evenly matched.

Both held back stuff ( Kaioken and huge blast for 17? Unless he has more in store ).

 

[Bobo Dakes]

Krillin and 17 were begging him to use full power as well? And we're they landing blows that had goku gasping for air?

Look, Gohan is my favorite character in this series, I am not going to say he's as strong as SS Blue. I can't lie to myself like that.

Dude's gotta do a lot more to prove that. * Looking at Toppo * Let's see that fight.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Gohan's problem against yadrat was that he held back too much. Like when you play basketball and give 50% effort and lose, that was Gohan.

 

[HardRojo]

He was just creeped and moved you can see his face when he decided no

It's my headcanon.

Spoiler

Let me have this please.

 

[LotusHD]

I don't know if it's you or skeeter who did this, but at some point you were hating on Cabba and said basically that you don't want screen time or focus to be wasted on Cabba because he has no character. But focus is how you get to know and like characters. Characters can't "build character" without some screentime and focus. The *focus* that U6 already got is why you are so interested in U6.

You would likely care more about some of the other universes if the show previously had explored them more significantly. You'd find characters that you like, aesthetics, societies, planets, anything.

Which is why I think this arc would have a lot more wight if we actually got to know at least some of these other universes better. Yeah I don't really care about any of them now, and that's the problem. A problem that had a remedy. If those universes were explored more in other arcs, I would care a lot more about the fate of those universes, and thus enjoy the arc a lot more.

I did not say that about Cabba.

And yes, I know all of this. But at the end of the day, we didn't get much, if any, focus on the vast majority of these fighters, so oh well. Also, I only said what I said in the event that these fighters actually stay erased for good. The show didn't give me a reason to care, so... I won't. Not to mention they are universes, naturally I'd want to see the ones that we never got a chance to see.

 

[bachikarn]

Because it will be revealed U4 has the mortal that a GoD can't beat.

It's probably not going to be a raw power thing.

We also had no fighter using parasite type moves, so I guess the green insect takes over Hit or Kale or something.

Thought they basically confirmed this episode that Jiren was that mortal.