HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Maybe a bit of accelerationism is exactly what we need in order to get back to God, family and country.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Good thing I decided to pull a trigger and bought my 9950x3d, 128 GB RAM and 5090 in september. Now I see the price went from <500 to almost 1500 euro. Basically 300% increase.
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Spyxos
Member
Congrats to your new pc.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Thanks, my bro! Really happy with it since it's a big upgrade over what I had before (old i7‑6700K, 16GB DDR4, and a 1080ti). It's also been stable in everything I've tested so far yesterday: WuWa with everything maxed out including RT, DNA, ZZZ, 3DMark Time Spy (ran a bunch of loops), etc. The only thing I still don't like is Windows 11, but it is what it is.
MiguelItUp
Member
I hate how all these trends and "new advancements" are completely screwing up the PC ecosystem. Crypto mining and GPUs, and now AI and DRAM. The absolute worst.
Spyxos
Member
Oh wow, thats a huge upgrade. You won't need any upgrades for several years now. I also recently switched to 11, and I'm not really warming up to it either.Thanks, my bro! Really happy with it since it's a big upgrade over what I had before (old i7‑6700K, 16GB DDR4, and a 1080ti). It's also been stable in everything I've tested so far yesterday: WuWa with everything maxed out including RT, DNA, ZZZ, 3DMark Time Spy (ran a bunch of loops), etc. The only thing I still don't like is Windows 11, but it is what it is.
Insane Metal
Member
Lol. PS6/Magnus coming with 16GB total hahahaha.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
From miners to AI.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You'll be able to in about 10 years
Can you tell the class all about the limitations?
There are some AI researchers on X that I'd like to share your findings with.
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spookyfish
Gold Member
What about GD-RAM?
Guilty_AI
Member
>AIs rely mainly on statistical models, this makes them really bad at continuity and long-term thinking. This is evident in things like video generation where they often cannot produce videos longer than 5 second clips without beginning to halucinate. Even generating something like a comic strip often comes with shifting backgrounds and other inconsistent elements. Its a very fundamental flaw in the way these AIs operate. Its possible to improve on at the cost of larger datapools for training but...
>The available datapool these models need to train is limited. As much data as we have now, theres a growing, exponential need for more in order to improve on the models that might not just be available. Worse yet, these pools are starting to get contaminated with AI generated content itself, causing inbreeding.
>These models learning capabilities are very limited outside of the training phase. This makes goals like AGI practically impossible to achieve, as well as other limitations.
Of course, thats all without getting into the economics of the thing.
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LOL ok. Well, suffice to say I don't have any new research insights into the fundamental limitations of LLMs to share with said AI researchers on X.
Guilty_AI
Member
Vast majority of people barely understand the basics, which is why they treat AI like some code wizardry that can do anything. Kind of how people in the 50s and 60s thought we'd have fully human-like robots by the early 2000s because "electronics" was essentially magic to them.
Zathalus
Member
Just updating my post. That same RAM kit is now more than double. That was fast. I think everyone involved in the supply chain are being greedy cunts again.
LordBritish
Member
Cmon Micron stock, hit $300 please
The coherency issue over time you mentioned just doesn't seem to be a fundamental problem at all. Each new model improves on that. Google's Genie 2 world model had an 'interaction horizon' of 10-20 seconds. Their Genie 3 model got that up to several minutes.
In so much as there is a data limit in the form of readily accessible basic text data there are already multiple solutions and mitigations like better curation, multimodal data and synthetic data.
The models are already using a significant amount of synthetic data and, no, it isn't harming the models or their progress.
Continual learning is being worked on and there has been some progress. Nobody doubts it is a hard problem to crack but there isn't any evidence it's an impossible challenge to overcome.
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Guilty_AI
Member
Like i said, it's possible to improve on that, but it gets exponentially harder. Also, on the Genie example you gave, remembering an artificial enviroment (as in it saving on memory what it previously generated) is different from coherence and continuity. What genie is doing there is different from creating a video.
Those aren't solutions, they're mitigations to the issue. Synthetic data for example goes back to the inbreeding issue i mentioned.
Over time, repeated use of synthetic data will cause assumption loops and biases that'll need explicit correction. They even gave a term for its overuse (Model Autophagy Disorder or MAD). It can at best complement real world data, but cannot replace it
There are bags of tricks for specific situations that can help mitigate or move the frontier up in certain cases, like the one i mentioned above with saving the details from artificial enviroment to memory, so that turning away from a rock and back at it doesn't make the rock change or disappear. But again, these do not solve the fundamental problems with these models.
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Neon Xenon
Member
What a shitshow. I feel bad for anyone looking to buy a prebuilt PC or even trying to put together their own PC right now with all of the bullshit involving DRAM prices right now.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
You gotta few days peeps to get yourself a deal then its GG's. I keep sayin it as much as possible.
winjer
Member
NVIDIA rumored to stop bundling memory with GPUs
Dram prices must be really bad, if Nvidia prefers to abandon it all and leave the sourcing to AIBs.
We can expect AIBs to increase GU prices soon enough to cover the costs.
PS: Fuck this AI boom.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I love how Nvidia causes all this and then literally goes "you work it out" to their partner's.
No wonder super is cancelled.
No wonder super is cancelled.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Back to eDRAM and much bigger SRAM pools on die and slower speed VRAM that DataCentres do not want… that could be a way out of this.
Sure, it also increases complexity between techniques like Sampler Feedback Streaming / PRT and manual dev streaming (say hi to PS2
), but you just adapt to changing markets.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Anyone looking for a PC should grab one right now from old stock. You can still get pretty good pricing. If you wait even couple of weeks, that will change.
falling into hell
Member
I wonder how long it will take until we build Skynet.
Now I regret that I only bought 64gb ram when building my pc. I should have gone for 96gb.
Now I regret that I only bought 64gb ram when building my pc. I should have gone for 96gb.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I am tempted to grab a backup GPU and an additional NVME before the shit really hits the fan. I don't need either though.
deeptech
Member
This really is crazy, I got 32Gb for new PC at around double the price than it was, and if I waited a little while more it would've been triple. Like I literally ordered at the price that was pretty wack already, and next moment I refreshed the store page it was 50% more expensive, luck perhaps lol? Owning RAM is like some say owning gold almost now. Fuck AI, we did well without it, fuck western "progress", it's more like rush towards ruin. More yet, fuck GPU manufacturers, FUCK AMD, FUCK NVIDIA, they have become pathetically, unashamedly and blatantly anti-consumer, anti-end-user, anti-gaming, anti-art.
Western lol. Nobody is going harder on AI than the Chinese. It's being integrated into far more over there and at a far higher speed than over here.
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JimmyRustler
Member
I've been thinking about going all in and buying a high end rig in the past couple of days. It feels surreal that I look at this potential investment (4.000 to 4.500 EUR) and feel some kind of urgency now because how things are going I may end up regretting not buying now when prices spiral even more out of control next year.
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deeptech
Member
And guess who envies them and copies them and tries to be "better" than them? Right..
But I meant that in a more specific way anyhow. The illusion that things are getting and can get better forever, obviously isn't true wherever you look.
spons
Gold Member
The Chinese are balls-deep into AI across the board, but almost every Google result contains an AI response (albeit cached for most), and Windows is now plastered with this crap.
"Calm the fuck down" is the only way I can express myself in this. I know they need to get their investments back, quickly, but this is just absurd.
DM me when the models stop getting better.
In a generation* this type of hysterical anti-AI sentiment will look completely absurd, people will have to tell their children that people had daily meltdowns over the next computing and software paradigm.
I would settle it in for this, because you're not going to be able to keep up this level of agitation for the rest of your life.
*well, assuming we make it to another generation
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Hohenheim
Member
I don't think you'd see a difference with 96gb Vs 64gb, unless you play something like Skyrim with every mod known to man activated.
Unknown Soldier
Member
There are some good BF deals going for video cards and SSD at or below MSRP right now and you should grab some while they are still cheap
StereoVsn
Gold Member
If you do some AI stuff or run containers and VMs, it helps. Although doing inference on CPU is pain
. I was going to get more RAM for home lab but it ain't happening now.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Even this insane modlist for Skyrim doesn't have a specific system RAM requirement because of how Skyrim loads data
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falling into hell
Member
I love playing mmorpgs on my own private server. Depending on the game up to 200gb ram are needed.
Hohenheim
Member
Yeah, that sounds like a ram-heavy thing to do, indeed! But for playing games the "regular" way, 64gb ram is more than enough for a long time. It's mot upcoming big games like Witcher 4 or GTA 6 will require more than 64gb.