False, ps+ was conceived as a game subscription service, not a mp paywall. I subscribe for the instant game collection.
Driveclub PS Plus Edition Delayed by Server Issues
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False, ps+ was conceived as a game subscription service, not a mp paywall. I subscribe for the instant game collection.
Now I'm confused so you don't need PS+ to play the PS+ version of DC?
flyinpiranha
Member
You're wrong. Just own up to that and move along. PS+ didn't even start as a paywall to MP. It was on the PS3 BEFORE the PS4, they MOVED MP under the paywall that was already a games subscription service.
Get your facts straight or at least Google so you know what the fuck you're talking about.
I didn't subscribe to Plus for MP a few years ago. I've been a member ever since. It was always about the games.
So PSN isn't an MP paywall? Cuz that's exactly what it is. The free games are just there to sweeten the deal.
sankt-Antonio
Banned
Have the game since yesterday, servers still not up, bought it at retail. :'(
no and no
it was your fault getting ps+ just for driveclub and no, im not contradicting myself, the free games are part of the program but we are definitely not entitled to get them, is part of, and that part can be handled however sony wants, nowhere in the TOS says that they are obliged to provide you with free games if you subscribe to their service
Sony doesn't give a crap about the game. Barely any advertisement, no messages on the PlayStation Blog just through the DriveClub Twitter and FaceBook account and all these server issues. They knew how many PS Plus subscribers there were so they should have scaled accordingly.
This is a classic example of a game being in the oven for so long Sony wanted to push it out and move on with their time and money to different things because clearly it was a troubled development.
I just hope Evolution gets another shot and isn't shut down.
This is a classic example of a game being in the oven for so long Sony wanted to push it out and move on with their time and money to different things because clearly it was a troubled development.
I just hope Evolution gets another shot and isn't shut down.
Nothing is free when you pay for a service, no matter what marketing says.
But eat it up if you prefer. Its your money in their hands.
Driveclub isn't free as part of the PS+ subscription service though. For PS4 that was Dust and Spelunky this month. Driveclub PS+ edition is an added bonus Sony is tacking on for this month in an attempt to promote Driveclub.
Hence why Sony has always made it clear it wasn't an official PS+ offering for October, but in addition to them.
Both sides have a legitimate stance here. Sony's desire to see more server stability before allowing millions of free players into the pool is the right thing to do for their paying customers, but after months of advertising the PS+ version it sure doesn't help to have it delayed.
The conspiracy theory that this is somehow related to the poor review scores is pretty wild though. If anything Sony would want more people to get their hands on it to see what it's actually like.
FaintColt388301
Member
Multi is behind a paywall to get more people to pay and to keep them paying. The service was made for free games.
MonkeyDLuffy
Banned
No, it was definitely conceived as a paywall from the beginning, but they knew the fans would be in an uproar about that. So they decided to first get us hooked on our "free" games before they brought in the paywall.
RyanPierre
Member
Is this like how you need a refrigerator to complete the look of your kitchen, but keeping food fresh is just a bonus?
flyinpiranha
Member
Actually yes. Just because you don't even understand the service you subscribe to doesn't mean that Sony doesn't and others don't.
Seriously, look up PS+. Multiplayer wasn't even part of it until the PS4.
PS+ is a LOT more than just access to MP. You're absolutely wrong in this. Read the Wiki if you need to. MP isn't even mentioned until the PS4 where they moved it under the PS+ umbrella for the PS4 launch to get more subscribers and some of that sweet XBL cash.
FunnyBunny
Member
You're absolutely right.
That said, I'm upset because for more than a yeara year!DriveClub has been advertised as a bold new model for PS Plus. And it was never said that the game would be available after the full version. In fact, it was advertised as being available on October 7.
Now the full version is released. But the PS Plus Edition was never available for downloadnot even for an instant. That tells me Sony planned all along to hold it back if servers struggled to handle the load.
So, after more than a year of promises, Sony delayed its grand experiment due to its own technical incompetencewith zero communication of why. Yet the full version is still available for purchase and download. PS Plus users are left as second class customers.
So much for a bold business model.
Or maybe let him spend his money on what he wants to?
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Part of the reason I payed for PS+ is the free games. In fact, that's most of the reason since I don't play games online often. That's like saying that I can buy a new car and it's alright if my car stereo and windshield wipers don't work because the reason I bought the car is to drive it, not listen to the radio and clean my windshields. It's completely backwards ass logic. I payed for the whole PS+ package, and when they say things are going to come at a certain time, I believe I should get that product at that time, because I'm giving them money for it. Especially after they already pushed the product back almost a year to make sure the game is completed.
And no, no one forced me to subscribe, but they did tell me I'd get certain things if I did subscribe. So they're not making due on their promise. This is at least the second time they've changed the date of when I was supposed to be able to download the PS+ Edition of DriveClub. I was told the game was supposed to launch almost a year ago, then it got delayed, and now, they can't even honor the new date even though they've had eleven months to fix all of the issues.
OccamsLightsaber
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FunnyBunny
Member
How many times must this be corrected?
PS Plus launched as a video games-as-service platform. Similar to Netflix, but for games.
Many of us couldn't care less about online multiplayer. We subscribe for the games.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
Can we not defend Sony when stupid shit like this happen? We don't see this often on XBL or NN, so there is no need to hop in this thread and argue about the ToC on PS+ on whether subscribers are entitled or not. The fact that they didn't even prepare for this is a shame and shouldn't even be defended.
Their big perk on Driveclub is the online, social aspects of it and it can't even be utilized because the servers aren't even on par with the traffic or whatever the problem is. Its ludicrous and unacceptable from a company that lets this happen time after time and continues to lose integrity and faith from their player base.
Just accept that Sony fucked up and move on.
Their big perk on Driveclub is the online, social aspects of it and it can't even be utilized because the servers aren't even on par with the traffic or whatever the problem is. Its ludicrous and unacceptable from a company that lets this happen time after time and continues to lose integrity and faith from their player base.
Just accept that Sony fucked up and move on.
Steve McQueen
Member
Just hurried home from work to dl the PS+ Edition.
Well....that's it then :/ Major disappointment...
Well....that's it then :/ Major disappointment...
Iorv3th
Member
Wait wait wait....
So you bought Playstation Plus a year ago so that you could get the PS plus edition of drive club? You have to be shitting me. I mean you could have just used that 50$ you spent on ps plus on the actual full game.
ps3 didn't have paywall for MP due to sony being behind the competition, for that reason PS+ was created, to entice players to pay for something, but now on ps4 it isn't necessarily the same and BTW no need to curse, that could probably get you banned, there's really no need to it, you an i can exchange ideas without being offensive, i respect your opinion, and i do everyone else in here and i don't have to own up anything, to my point of view im right and you're wrong
So..to be clear:
Your contention is that Sony launched PS+, on June 29, 2010, with an eye to make it a paywall for MP on PS4...and gave out free games for 3+ years just to get folks "hooked"?
I'm not sure I buy that Sony is capable of that kind of advanced forethought. Not given their financials over the past few years...
Anyone remember when Metropolis Street Racer was delayed on Dreamcast because they had problems getting the game boxes ready, only for it to launch with bugs that meant it needed a recall?
(I know it's a different studio, but it reminds me of a similar stumble before the finish line)
(I know it's a different studio, but it reminds me of a similar stumble before the finish line)
that's the sole reason I pay for it. what on earth is the matter with you.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
You get games every month. Just because something was a factor in subscribing to a service doesn't mean it's the only reason. You could not get all of the games I've gotten this year through PS+ with $50. Also, at the time, DriveClub was supposed to come out a year ago. So there is a good chance that he's like me and subscribed before the delay announcement because he expected to get the PS+ edition of DriveClub in late 2013.
BRocknRolla
Member
That's pretty shitty. I entirely understand the logic, and faced with the decision, I'm sure I would have done the same, but that doesn't make it any less shitty.
FunnyBunny
Member
That release doesn't contradict what Snaku wrote.
PS Plus was conceived as a games and special features servicenot a multiplayer paywall.
flyinpiranha
Member
Yeah, a year was on sale and cheap and I figured the service would be great for a new console. It wasn't $50, something like $33 ... and that was before the delays.
Eh, cussing won't get you banned. I appreciate the concern. And I like how you've created this personal narrative of why PS+ was brought into inception. If it supports your argument that's great for you. You're still wrong. But I see there is no point in arguing this further as you aren't willing to be part of a discussion, just willing to spout your completely incorrect information. You should go into politics, they also like to backtrack and make up their own narrative for things that happen.
Yup, my 1 year of service was around $35, too. A bunch of places had the cards on sale (thank you cheapassgamer!) going into the release of the PS4 last year.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
That is likely entirely what the long-term plans for PS+ were. Get people into the system with a "value" and then make that service a necessity on PS4. Their financials have absolutely nothing to do with this. They're a long-term company that probably has a 10-year plan or vision for the service platform.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
When your opinion is based on false information and nonsense you made up in your head to support your stance, you're not right, you're delusional or misinformed. Your point of view means nothing if you don't have evidence to back up your opinion, and you don't.
A demo is not a grand experiment. Demos have actually been utilized for a very long time.
what are you TALKING about
ps plus has existed for years, now. exclusively as a game subscription service
sony only moved the multiplayer stuff into it when the ps4 launched
This kind of thing is going to continue to happen as long as people are willing to pay for an online service that doesn't have QoS guarantees built in. MS has gotten away with it for more than a decade so it's not surprising that Sony doesn't see a need for it either.
DannyDanger
Member
midasmulligan
Member
But I thought everything was free! We should be happy with all the nonsense, psn's habitual down time, erratic ps+ release times cause it's all free right??
OneLifeCycle
Neo Member
Sounds like a major cluster for both versions.
FunnyBunny
Member
Again, it's not a demo.
DriveClub PS Plus Edition is a stripped down version of the full game. But there's a lot thereabout 20% of the game's content. The fact Sony discounts the full game's price for Plus subscribers is a testament to the fact that this is much more than a demo.
Chill Penguin
Member
How on earth are they not ready for launch after an 11 month delay? How incompetent is this studio?