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[Naked Snake]

Ok they didn't really mention Pulp Fiction, but I got that vibe from the following quote in their DVD review:

All the conspiracy theories are true.

Mark my words. In five, ten, or twenty years, the histrionic whining of Academy-Award-winner Crash will have become a thing of distant, cloudy memory (call it the racial-tension equivalent of fellow Best Picture-winner Marty), but Brokeback Mountain will only increase in reputation and importance.

http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5397&Itemid=3

More quotes from the review:

Crash is a movie that constantly references its own compensatory judgments with histrionic redundancy, but Brokeback refuses to let its audience off so lightly. The men in the eye of its dramatically emotional storm are not worthy of being defended, not insistent upon empathy or pity; they simply go through the motions of the lives they’ve created. The last line of Annie Proulx’s story upon which the film was based is, “If you can’t fix it, you gotta stand it.” This mentality makes the film both devastating and penetrably realistic.

So, yes, because the film presents its gay romance without the training wheels that Crash offers its multi-racial characters, it proved to be too much for Academy voters. They obviously prefer their thinking-person’s drama with a delicious sugar coating rather than the often bitter sting of real-life situation. But just because Brokeback Mountain didn’t win the prize it most certainly deserved doesn’t make it any less of a film. It’s a big one, whether one realizes it now or later.

At the very least, this edition is definitely worth a place on your rental queue. This first DVD release of Brokeback Mountain has a lovely transfer and mix, but its bonus features definitely hinder it from being the must-own DVD it had the potential to be. But any self-respecting movie viewer should at least check it out. It’s a classic. Highly recommended.

Bonus link: IGN's DVD review (Movie score: 10/10)

For the record, I'm not a big fan of the movie, I thought it was okay... I didn't understand a lot of what Ledger's character said because of his mumbling (and the quality and volume of the copy I got), maybe I have to watch it again to appreciate it.

 

[sefskillz]

all this thread managed to do was remind me of how pissed off i was when crash won.

 

[FoneBone]

The features on this DVD practically scream "future Double Dip:"

So very, very true. I think I want to own this, but I'm passing for now.

 

[Goreomedy]

I'm waiting for Blu Ray.

But brilliant film.

 

[gofreak]

I'm waiting for Blu Ray.

You might be waiting a little while, but hopefully not too long. It's a Universal release :/

One way or another, I'll definitely be adding this to my collection.

 

[Goreomedy]

You might be waiting a little while, but hopefully not too long. It's a Universal release :/

One way or another, I'll definitely be adding this to my collection.

It's not like I'll have a Blu Ray player until next spring anyway, when I'll be able to find a PS3.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Where's Willco?:lol

 

[Lucky Forward]

This mentality makes the film both devastating and penetrably realistic.

Indeed.

 

[Willco]

Where's Willco?:lol

Right here.

Comparing Brokeback Mountain to even Beetlejuice is a travesty, and does Beetlejuice a disservice. Why drag a legitimate, quality film into the mix?

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

Brokeback Mountain = overhyped

Pulp Fiction = one of the best movies ever

It should be a crime to mention the two in the same sentence.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

Pulp Fiction > Brokeback Mountain: there is absolutely no equality in the two. The movie was not even that good. I still think that they overreacted when Crash one. Neither were that great, but Brokeback damned sure wasn't the godsend some would have you believe.

Let us not even talk about the novel.

"English Mother Fucker! Do you speak it?"

Edit: hm...looks like I don't since I mine was a tad bit awful, in the post above...*Shrugs*

 

[TJ Bennett]

10 years from now Crash and Brokeback will be long forgotten as they are both overhyped, overrated, and overdiscussed. 2005 was just a mess of a year for oscar-type films. On the other hand, Pulp Fiction will continue to be appreciated for many decades to come.

Comparing Pulp Fiction to Brokeback Mountain is similar to equating James Gandolfini with Chris Burke.

 

[Bloodwake]

Yeah, I have to agree there. I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain, but to think that it could be as good as Pulp Fiction is going a little overboard there.

P.S.: I have the movie, and I am waiting to view it with several of my friends who didn't get to see it due to the fact I live in the Bible Belt, and they banned the movie from release at many of the local theaters.

 

[Eric Hall]

Pulp>>>>>>>>Crash>>>Brokeback

Seriously, i think more people complained about Brokeback losing more than any other film in the history of the Oscars. Give it up people, it wasnt as good as most people say it is

 

[teiresias]

Brokeback >>>>>>>>> Crash, but Brokeback = apple and Pulp Fiction = orange. I really don't see how you can compare them in a meaningful way, one is quiet and downplayed, the other loud and in your face (for the most part). Pulp's "loud and in your face" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crash's "loud and in your face" though.

 

[Willco]

More like Pulp Fiction is a nice, juicy steak and Brokeback Mountain is a piece of old, smelly cheese that's being gnawed on by rats carrying the plague.

 

[teiresias]

More like Pulp Fiction is a nice, juicy steak and Brokeback Mountain is a piece of old, smelly cheese that's being gnawed on by rats carrying the plague.

Gotta love how this becomes nothing but a Brokeback bash fest when no one even said anything bad about Pulp Fiction at all in this thread nor did they try and say Brokeback was better.

I'm sorry you have horrible taste though - liking Spider-man and disliking Brokeback, must be a sign of large brain abnormalities, probably happened during fetal development. Pity.

 

[TJ Bennett]

... liking Spider-man and disliking Brokeback, must be a sign of large brain abnormalities, probably happened during fetal development. Pity.

Quite the opposite. You sound like a typical psuedo-intellectual who overpraises the importance of foreign and indie films while neglecting the artistic values of more mainstream films simply because they're popular.

I'm guessing you also think American Beauty is a good film yet you probably hate Die Hard. Screw you hippie.

CGI Spidey >>>>> CGI Sheep of Brokeback.

 

[teruterubozu]

Gotta love how this becomes nothing but a Brokeback bash fest when no one even said anything bad about Pulp Fiction at all in this thread nor did they try and say Brokeback was better.

I'm sorry you have horrible taste though - liking Spider-man and disliking Brokeback, must be a sign of large brain abnormalities, probably happened during fetal development. Pity.

....and your avatar is "Silent Hill"? Please shut up.

 

[Sarpedon]

Quite the opposite. You sound like a typical psuedo-intellectual who overpraises the importance of foreign and indie films while neglecting the artistic values of more mainstream films simply because they're popular.

I'm guessing you also think American Beauty is a good film yet you probably hate Die Hard. Screw you hippie.

CGI Spidey >>>>> CGI Sheep of Brokeback.

Well he's gay so of course he overpraises Brokeback.

 

[Goreomedy]

Well he's gay so of course he overpraises Brokeback.

Mods? Please step in before someone gets hurt.

 

[Eminem]

I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain. Does The Gimp make an appearance?

 

[Willco]

I'm guessing you also think American Beauty is a good film yet you probably hate Die Hard. Screw you hippie.

Amen.

Spider-Man is like, ten times the film Brokeback Mountain. It's actually entertaining, and fun, and still has subtle homoerotic overtones (dudes dress up in costumes lol).

Also, Jake Gyllenhaal is a poor man's Tobey Maguire.

 

[SpiffyG]

Hah. This movie is still causing controversy... this thread.

Ten years from now it will still be brought up and people like you will argue against its greatness therefore causing arguments with the people around you. It'll never end. You are giving in. So why don't you haters go and bash something else... something newer?

 

[Willco]

Haters? Greatness?

Brokeback Mountain will be discussed 10 years from now, not for its technical merits or acting or anything that would make it a decent motion picture, but rather because it was the first film to really push a mature homosexual relationship on mainstream audiences without relying on slapstick humor, cliche thriller storylines or musical numbers.

It definitely has a place in pop culture, but it's a mediocre film.

 

[SpiffyG]

Haters? Greatness?

Brokeback Mountain will be discussed 10 years from now, not for its technical merits or acting or anything that would make it a decent motion picture, but rather because it was the first film to really push a mature homosexual relationship on mainstream audiences without relying on slapstick humor, cliche thriller storylines or musical numbers.

It definitely has a place in pop culture, but it's a mediocre film.

I never said it was great. I should of said "... will argue against how good the film was."

Yes, in ten years that will be the main concern of people but right now you guys are arguing about if it was a decent motion picture and not the material.

Yes, haters. You are hating on the film for not being up to snuff. And that is why you are here in this thread, to bash it.

 

[Willco]

Yes, haters. You are hating on the film for not being up to snuff.

No, I'm "hating" on the film because it's being compared to an actual good film. That's what's up for discussion here. See topic.

 

[SpiffyG]

No, I'm "hating" on the film because it's being compared to an actual good film. That's what's up for discussion here.

But weren't you the one who was "hating" on it on its own merits before this thread?

 

[TJ Bennett]

You are hating on the film for not being up to snuff. And that is why you are here in this thread, to bash it.

Well when someone makes a ridiculous comparison it's just begging to be bashed. I would be just as upset if the idiot DVD reviewer compared Pulp Fiction to Crash, Munich, Good Night and Good Luck, or Capote.

 

[Willco]

But weren't you the one who was "hating" on it on its own merits before this thread?

Uh no. There was a discussion topic about the film. I saw the film, I shared my thoughts in the topic about - gasp! - people who saw the movie.

Hell, I don't even think I posted in the Oscars thread.

 

[IJoel]

Saw the movie this week and thought it was fantastic. Infinitely better than the overrated Crash.

 

[SpiffyG]

Ah well then. I'll leave. *walks away*




kill bill>pulp fiction

 

[Willco]

Oh, fuck that.

 

[TJ Bennett]

kill bill>pulp fiction

Although many people here will disagree with you about that, I'm with you on that one. My enjoyment of Tarantino's work has increased with each new film he's released. It's worth noting that I absolutely love all four of his films and consider them pretty much on a equal playing field.

Kill Bill > Jackie Brown > Pulp Fiction > Reservoir Dogs

 

[jett]

Hell no.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Brokeback Mountain will be discussed 10 years from now, not for its technical merits or acting or anything that would make it a decent motion picture, but rather because it was the first film to really push a mature homosexual relationship on mainstream audiences without relying on slapstick humor, cliche thriller storylines or musical numbers.

what about Ving Rhames and the cop?

 

[PhoenixDark]

what about Ving Rhames and the cop?

:lol

"You should have quit me, cause now I'm gonna flame that ass up like a Roman candle"

 

[teiresias]

I'm guessing you also think American Beauty is a good film yet you probably hate Die Hard. Screw you hippie.

I hate American Beauty actually, it has a nice score though. Die Hard is one of the great popcorn flicks of all time.

Well he's gay so of course he overpraises Brokeback.

Yeah, I, the big flaming faggot heaps mountain of praise on anything with a bunch of queers in the cast - nevermind that I can't stand most gay films that are made. I have plenty of other gay friends who don't like Brokeback, I have no problem with not liking Brokeback. I just don't understand what brought on this bashing of the film in this thread. The OP wasn't even really comparing BBM to PF, just said the way the reviewer talked about it reminded him of it.

People coming in here bashing BBM when there was no negative comparison made between it and anything else is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

Kill Bill is awesome, but again, it's very different than Pulp Fiction, trying to accomplish much different things, so I wouldn't actually think to even compare the two.

I'm sorry my "Silent Hill" avatar offends. I have yet to make a judgment on the movie, I wasn't aware having an avatar from the film meant I made a ringing endorsement of a movie I haven't seen yet. Sure, I want it to be good, but that doesn't mean it will be.

I swear, the people that gravitate toward any BBM topic just to bash it make the OT the equivalent of the gaming forum with the DS and PSP.

 

[daegan]

Amen.

Spider-Man is like, ten times the film Brokeback Mountain. It's actually entertaining, and fun, and still has subtle homoerotic overtones (dudes dress up in costumes lol).

Also, Jake Gyllenhaal is a poor man's Tobey Maguire.

Dude, NO.

When Maguire is capable of a performance half as good as Gyllenhaal's in Moonlight Mile, Donnie Darko, or The Good Girl, let me know.

 

[Willco]

Yeah, it was called Seabiscuit, Wonder Boys and The Cider House Rules. And he didn't have to resort to playing an in vogue gay character to get his Oscar nominations. Which by the way, he has more of than Gyllenhaal.

Suck on that cowboy.

 

[Mute]

Suck on that cowboy.

:lol

 

[Raistlin]

Anyone hear/see the commercial for the DVD release?

Basically it implies the movie won Movie of the Year ... to take advantage of those that didn't pay attention to the Acedemy Awards :\

Pretty fucking lame IMO.

I seriously can't recall any movie doing that before. Every other movie itemizes the award(s) a movie received ... they don't give an ambiguous statement that the uninitiated will confuse with Movie of the Year.

 

[TJ Bennett]

I hate American Beauty actually, it has a nice score though. Die Hard is one of the great popcorn flicks of all time.

There may be hope for you yet.

 

[daegan]

Yeah, it was called Seabiscuit, Wonder Boys and The Cider House Rules. And he didn't have to resort to playing an in vogue gay character to get his Oscar nominations. Which by the way, he has more of than Gyllenhaal.

Suck on that cowboy.

Of those three, the only one even remotely worth mentioning is Cider House Rules and it sure as hell isn't because of Maguire. The guy gives punch-card performances through everything he touches.

And who the hell said we were counting Oscar nominations? I thought this was about the better actor. And that's not Maguire, unless there's some part of his spectrum that his white-bread roles haven't let us see, or if he's always scared of being overshadowed by everyone else on the screen - which he is.

 

[Willco]

His Oscar and other award nominations say otherwise!

Oh, plus a little film I like to call Spider-Man, followed by the greatest film of all-time... SPIDER-MAN 2.

 

[daegan]

His Oscar and other award nominations say otherwise!

Oh, plus a little film I like to call Spider-Man, followed by the greatest film of all-time... SPIDER-MAN 2.

NOBODY saw those movies for, or because of, Maguire. Villains, Kirsten Dunst (ugh, though), maybe. But not him.

There's a reason why Gyllenhaal was going to be tapped for Spidey not once but TWICE (originally and when Maguire had his hissy fit post-horse movie), and also was in the running for Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins. (Not that he would've been a great Bruce Wayne...well, maybe. But Christian Bale rocked that.)

But Spidey 2? Best film EVER? No.

You're two-for-two.

 

[Bloodwake]

Gyllenhaal>Maguire.

Donnie Fucking Darko FTW.

 

[Willco]

here's a reason why Gyllenhaal was going to be tapped for Spidey not once but TWICE...

Yeah, because Maguire is HOT SHIT and a Hollywood commodity that could leave the Spider-Man franchise at any time because he's so big. And because Gyllenhaal is a no talent ass clown that looks so much like Maguire, that he could get a paying gig as a impersonator. Which he is. A poor man's Maguire.

Only people who like Donnie Darko are lame, pretentious forum nerds.

 

[daegan]

Yeah, because Maguire is HOT SHIT and a Hollywood commodity that could leave the Spider-Man franchise at any time because he's so big. And because Gyllenhaal is a no talent ass clown that looks so much like Maguire, that he could get a paying gig as a impersonator. Which he is. A poor man's Maguire.

Only people who like Donnie Darko are lame, pretentious forum nerds.

1. Because being big means you're a good actor.
2. Uh, Maguire isn't really that big. How much has he done lately? How much of it is even worth talking about?
3. He was about to be fired, not leave. Because he let himself think that people actually saw Spider-Man to see him.

Anyway. I've got ice cream to eat.

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

Spider-Man and Brokeback both suck