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[dem]

Because he's always acting like a tough guy? The only guy he'll talk about anymore is Imus, and that's because Imus could never really fight back in the first place.

Howard had a gag order put on O&A when they were with Infinity and now he dumps out of any mention of them unless it's Artie making a joke. Why? Because they make him look like a fool, and he knows it.

I'd say putting a gag order on them is bitchslappin them down real good :lol

 

[Baconäger]

I'd say it's really hypocritical, especially considering the way Howard bitched about Imus for doing similar things...

 

[dem]

I'd say the only reason O&A are famous is because they talk about Howard Stern.

 

[Baconäger]

quite the opposite for me. o&a's XM stream is the only radio i listen to besides for NPR (how's that for a dichotomy). i can't stand Stern, but i can appreciate what O&A do as their act isn't an attempt at 'shock jock' radio. it's just two guys (three now) having a laugh at anything that comes their way.

but wait, howard stern invented fun. tell them fred.

Jimmy's interview yesterday was hilarious. "Hawk studios". :lol

 

[Baconäger]

I'd say the only reason O&A are famous is because they talk about Howard Stern.

Ok? And this has what to do with Howard being a pussy?

And the St. Pat's thing got them more coverage than any Stern bashing...

 

[dem]

Ok? And this has what to do with Howard being a pussy?

And the St. Pat's thing got them more coverage than any Stern bashing...

I just fail to see how it makes him a pussy. All it does when Howard mentions them is get their name out there. Why should he do that? I think he prettymuch learned from Mancow. Another guy who was only in the spotlight because Stern brought him there.


And btw.. in all that St Pats coverage.. was Stern mentioned in EVERY SINGLE STORY? I think so :lol

Theyre not even on the same level

 

[akascream]

Whoever does his show visually should get rid of those compression artifacts in front of the tits. E! really has some shitty equipment if you ask me.

 

[Baconäger]

I just fail to see how it makes him a pussy. All it does when Howard mentions them is get their name out there. Why should he do that? I think he prettymuch learned from Mancow. Another guy who was only in the spotlight because Stern brought him there.


And btw.. in all that St Pats coverage.. was Stern mentioned in EVERY SINGLE STORY? I think so :lol

Theyre not even on the same level

He's a pussy because whenever anyone else talks bad about him, like a news article, he goes on a rampage. With O&A it's a fight he knows he probably can't win, so he just tries not to acknowledge them. Stern used to be all about taking people on and wanted to settle things on the air, and he talked big shit. At the same time he was working behind the scenes to shut people up (something he used to rip on Imus for doing.)


And if Stern was mentione in the articles, it certainly wasn't because of any on-air feud he had with O&A.

 

[dem]

:lol I dont understand... whats the FIGHT that O&A and Howard have to have? Come on dude.. its obvious that they only want to fight with Howard to get publicity. Theyre so desperate theyre making fucking stickers :lol Whats the matter? Cant get on Letterman?

Doing a bad Howard voice and saying "I invented radio.... Right ROBIN???" doesnt make the statement any less true.

 

[Doc Holliday]

O & A....geez...you guys suck

 

[Baconäger]

Maybe they want to fight him because he claims they suck and ripped him off? Because they're disgruntled he had them gagged? Why will he take on Imus and not O&A? Why is it Stern will trash some reporter about a story that's done about him, but won't take on O&A when they talk bad about him?

And Norton was on Leno just last week, where the O&A show was promoted (and Leno gets better ratings then Letterman.)

 

[dem]

And Norton was on Leno just last week, where the O&A show was promoted (and Leno gets better ratings then Letterman.)

Except when Howard Stern is on Letterman.

Where Howard goes.. the ratings go. Howard could be on any show he wants at any time.

 

[Leatherface]

I like Howard Stern. I'll be jumping on the Satellite bandwagon when he makes the jump. It's too bad about E. I thought his show was one of the top programs on their network, no?

 

[Baconäger]

Except when Howard Stern is on Letterman.

Where Howard goes.. the ratings go. Howard could be on any show he wants at any time.

Um, no one is denying his fame. Good job on ignoring the rest of the post.

BTW, Stern doesn't think CYE is funny. If that isn't a sign that he's losing it, I don't know what is.

 

[dem]

I ignored the rest of your post because it was dumb.

O&A did rip off Stern... and yes.. they do suck. Thats what theyre going to have out on the air?


OMG HOWARD DOESNT LIKE CYE?? TIME TO CHANGE MY AVATAR!
Sounds like someone listens to Stern even though he doesnt like him :lol

 

[Baconäger]

What exactly did they rip off, or are continuing to rip off?

I don't really dislike Stern, and I think the show still has its moments. It is nowhere near as good as it used to be though.

And if you like Robin on the show or think she's funny/brings something worthwhile to the show, you have no right to say O&A suck.

 

[God's Hand]

Bacon, Stern has always made fun of O&A... I can recall a show around a month ago where he was making fun of them. Not entirely bashing, but still, he did talk about them.

 

[dem]

What exactly did they rip off, or are continuing to rip off?

THE WHOLE SHOW. THE WHOLE TYPE OF RADIO THEYRE DOING IS AROUND ONLY BECAUSE OF HOWARD STERN.
How can you not understand this??? To deny it is RIDICULOUS.

I don't really dislike Stern, and I think the show still has its moments. It is nowhere near as good as it used to be though.

And if you like Robin on the show or think she's funny/brings something worthwhile to the show, you have no right to say O&A suck.

Robin isnt a comedian. So what? Shes still good for conversation.

 

[Ferny84]

This is better than rejuvination!

*old lady groans*

 

[Baconäger]

Bacon, Stern has always made fun of O&A... I can recall a show around a month ago where he was making fun of them. Not entirely bashing, but still, he did talk about them.

There's a differnece between saying "Bean and Anothony" and actually getting into the claims O&A have made about Stern.

THE WHOLE SHOW. THE WHOLE TYPE OF RADIO THEYRE DOING IS AROUND ONLY BECAUSE OF HOWARD STERN.
How can you not understand this??? To deny it is RIDICULOUS.

Did he influence them? Probably. Are they ripping him off? I sure don't see it that way.

To claim anyone that talks on the radio is ripping Stern off is going pretty far, as is saying Stern invented talking on the radio (or that he created reality TV, which he also thinks.)

Robin isnt a comedian. So what? Shes still good for conversation.

No, she isn't.

 

[dem]

Well whatever


SPREAD THE VIRUS SPREAD THE VIRUS SPREAD THE VIRUS

 

[Baconäger]

They're ripping me off. hoo hoo hoo.

It was hilarious when Stern said that British DJ was ripping him off when they had the 2 Chinese food people talk to eachother. That shit is like 30 years old. I used to do it when I was little. :lol

 

[dem]

They're ripping me off. hoo hoo hoo.

It was hilarious when Stern said that British DJ was ripping him off when they had the 2 Chinese food people talk to eachother. That shit is like 30 years old. I used to do it when I was little. :lol

Well whatever = im tired of this and we could keep going forever

Claim 'victory' if you wish.. i couldnt care less

 

[God's Hand]

I think a lot of you take Stern way too seriously. When he said those British DJs were ripping him off with that bit, I could tell he wasn't serious. Everyone knows that's been around forever, but he was making a point. He had just done the bit, then the British DJs did the bit shortly after. Not a big deal.

Again, I don't take anything he says too seriously. He's usually BSing when he says everyone rips him off. Except for the few times he's actually sued people.

Also, I've listened to a few weeks of O&A from XM, and I don't find them funny at all. They're boring, unfunny and unlistenable. But, that's my opinion. Clearly they have their fans. So does Stern. Welcome to reality, where we all like different things.

 

[Baconäger]

Well whatever = im tired of this and we could keep going forever

Claim 'victory' if you wish.. i couldnt care less

It won't go forever when you can't provide one example of O&A ripping Howard off.

I think a lot of you take Stern way too seriously. When he said those British DJs were ripping him off with that bit, I could tell he wasn't serious. Everyone knows that's been around forever, but he was making a point. He had just done the bit, then the British DJs did the bit shortly after. Not a big deal.

Again, I don't take anything he says too seriously. He's usually BSing when he says everyone rips him off. Except for the few times he's actually sued people.

When Howard talks about how great an actor he is, it's kidding around. I think the ripping off thing is legit. How many times have they sat a seriosu conversation about it, or when someone will call/walk in and talk about how Leno ripped them off the night before? Then they sit and talk about it for 30 minutes.

And people actually believe him, like Dem.

 

[dem]

It won't go forever when you can't provide one example of O&A ripping Howard off.

I told you the whole show is a ripoff of Howards show. Speaking freely on the radio like they do is because of Howard.
You deny it
What am I going to do?

Go hand out some bumper stickers and spread the virus. Youre done here.

 

[Baconäger]

I told you the whole show is a ripoff of Howards show. Speaking freely on the radio like they do is because of Howard.
You deny it
What am I going to do?

Go hand out some bumper stickers and spread the virus. Youre done here.

So you're saying that anyone that speaks freely on the radio is ripping off Howard Stern? :lol

He did invent talking on the radio, afterall...

 

[dem]

So you're saying that anyone that speaks freely on the radio is ripping off Howard Stern? :lol

He did invent talking on the radio, afterall...

Thats exactly what im saying

 

[ToxicAdam]

Everytime there is a Stern thread, there is one or two O&A assholes that feels like he has to respond. Like they are defending the honor of thier girlfriend(s).

Jesus, give it a rest already. They aren't even in the same league as each other. It's great that they make you laugh, but acting like an asshole isn't going to make other people like them.

 

[Baconäger]

So I guess Howard is ripping off the guy that invented talking. :lol

Jesus, your thinking is absurd.

 

[DarienA]

Everytime there is a Stern thread, there is one or two O&A assholes that feels like he has to respond. Like they are defending the honor of thier girlfriend(s).

:lol this is the funniest post I've ready today. Funny.. cause it's true!

Wait... you say Howard dumped the mention of O&A? Was it Howard that did that himself or did Tom do the dump?

Secondly... anyone who thinks O&A don't owe Howard for opening up the idea of doing a... different type of talk show... then they are f'n looney.

 

[Baconäger]

Everytime there is a Stern thread, there is one or two O&A assholes that feels like he has to respond. Like they are defending the honor of thier girlfriend(s).

Jesus, give it a rest already. They aren't even in the same league as each other. It's great that they make you laugh, but acting like an asshole isn't going to make other people like them.

Who's being an asshole? I've already said that I enjoy both shows.

 

[dem]

So I guess Howard is ripping off the guy that invented talking. :lol

Jesus, your thinking is absurd.

If you can't see the difference between 'talking' on the radio and talking on the radio like Howard talks on the radio.. theres no point in discussing this.

Saying HOO HOO I INVENTED TALKING doesnt do anything to dispute the fact that he did invent the whole genre.

 

[Baconäger]

Wait... you say Howard dumped the mention of O&A? Was it Howard that did that himself or did Tom do the dump?

Mr. Free speach/Anti-Censorship dumps it himself.

If you can't see the difference between 'talking' on the radio and talking on the radio like Howard talks on the radio.. theres no point in discussing this.

So is Howard ripping off the people who invented talking, or even the talkshow? You're being ridiculous. Do you also beleive Stern invented reality TV?

 

[Fatalah]

I used to listen to O/A over on WNEW every afternoon....about like 4 years ago. It was a great show, really good vibe about it. It created a really big stir here in NYC, I mean everybody knew about the show. Even the WWF hired them for their XFL pregame show.

Listening to O/A, really great memories...

In the mornings I'd listen to Stern.


Now all I have is Stern, and Robin DOES get really annoying. But there really is NOTHING else worth listening to in the mornings. It really does feel good to have a constant in my life, Artie, Howard, Gary, High Pitch Eric, KC..... good stuff.

 

[dem]

Mr. Free speach/Anti-Censorship dumps it himself.



So is Howard ripping off the people who invented talking, or even the talkshow? You're being ridiculous. Do you also beleive Stern invented reality TV?

Howard isnt doing the exact same thing as someone did before him. HE INNOVATED.
O&A are doing the exact same thing Howard does.. but worse.

 

[dem]

The absurd argument O&A and their fans like to bring out is HAHA STERN THINKS HE INVENTED TALKING.

Its like someone defending the obvious ripoff of GTA in "Saints Row".. by saying "OH I GUESS GTA INVENTED DRIVING CARS IN GAMES. I GUESS GTA INVENTED WALKING AROUND. SHIT I GUESS GTA INVENTED PUSHING BUTTONS."

When the fact of the matter is Saints row is a huge ripoff of gta.

 

[DarienA]

Mr. Free speach/Anti-Censorship dumps it himself.

I only get a chance to listen to Stern for about 45 min on my way in to work so I tend to miss alot of stuff... what does he do that lets you know he's dumping it?

 

[Baconäger]

Now all I have is Stern, and Robin DOES get really annoying. But there really is NOTHING else worth listening to in the mornings. It really does feel good to have a constant in my life, Artie, Howard, Gary, High Pitch Eric, KC..... good stuff.

KC has been gone for awhile now.

The absurd argument O&A and their fans like to bring out is HAHA STERN THINKS HE INVENTED TALKING.

Its like someone defending the obvious ripoff of GTA in "Saints Row".. by saying "OH I GUESS GTA INVENTED DRIVING CARS IN GAMES. I GUESS GTA INVENTED WALKING AROUND. SHIT I GUESS GTA INVENTED PUSHING BUTTONS."

When the fact of the matter is Saints row is a huge ripoff of gta.

Um, youre saying that anyone that freely talks on the radio is ripping off Stern. That's like saying every videogame developer today is ripping the guy that made the first videogame.

 

[Baconäger]

I only get a chance to listen to Stern for about 45 min on my way in to work so I tend to miss alot of stuff... what does he do that lets you know he's dumping it?

He'll say "I dumped that off" and then usually follows it up with "let em die".

 

[dem]

Um, youre saying that anyone that freely talks on the radio is ripping off Stern. That's like saying every videogame developer today is ripping the guy that made the first videogame.

Again.. you bring it down to basics such as "talk" but you know damned well what Stern did on the radio was like nothing before it. Its a specific genre of radio. "Shock jock" if you will... though I dont think anyone in the industry likes that term.

 

[ToxicAdam]

To put it in another perspective. Its like the recent wave of "reality TV" (Good or bad, it's a major trend in television). 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire' and 'Survivor' are the "inventors" of the genre. They really didn't invent it, but they did it in such an outstanding way, they showed everyone how it could be done.


That's what Stern is. He was such an outstanding success in the mid-80's becauee he happened to be in the right place at the right time. Before him, DJ's just didn't talk on FM. They just read scripts or MAYBE commented on the news. He broke a format that had been standardized for at least 20-30 years. He did it in a way that was hugely successful by being outrageous at the same time. After his success in NY, "Morning Zoo" type radio shows popped up all around America (late 80's). Now it has mutated into almost a cliche.

 

[Baconäger]

Again.. you bring it down to basics such as "talk" but you know damned well what Stern did on the radio was like nothing before it. Its a specific genre of radio. "Shock jock" if you will... though I dont think anyone in the industry likes that term.

Ok, so is every FPS today ripping off Wolfenstein or something? I'd say you're the one that's being way too basic (and WAY to broad).

That's what Stern is. He was such an outstanding success in the mid-80's becauee he happened to be in the right place at the right time. Before him, DJ's just didn't talk on FM. They just read scripts or MAYBE commented on the news. He broke a format that had been standardized for at least 20-30 years. He did it in a way that was hugely successful by being outrageous at the same time. After his success in NY, "Morning Zoo" type radio shows popped up all around America (late 80's). Now it has mutated into almost a cliche.

Again, I'm not denying his influence. But don't you think saying that 'ANYONE that talks freely on the radio is ripping off Stern' is absurd?

 

[dem]

Ok, so is every FPS today ripping off Wolfenstein or something? I'd say you're the one that's being way too basic (and WAY to broad).

Theres different kinds of first person shooters. Rainbow 6 and Doom are like night and day. Just like theres different types of talk shows.

But Opie and Anthony dont do a different type of talk show. They do Howards the same way Howards been doing it for 30 years. They havent innovated anything.. and they dont admit that theyre doing what theyre doing because of Howard Stern.

 

[Baconäger]

Theres different kinds of first person shooters. Rainbow 6 and Doom are like night and day. Just like theres different types of talk shows.

But they fall into the same genre, just like talk radio shows. So by your logic, anything in the genre is ripping of the creator of that genre, just like ANY talk radio show is ripping off Stern.

And I've never heard O&A say they aren't doing the kind of radio they're doing because of Stern (they may have said it, and if so, I think they're wrong) In fact, both have stated many times that they were huge fans of his.

Howard interviews people, but he isn't ripping off the creator of the interview. And no, he didn't magically innovate it by asking girls if they're into anal.

 

[dem]

But they fall into the same genre, just like talk radio shows. So by your logic, anything in the genre is ripping of the creator of that genre, just like ANY talk radio show is ripping off Stern.

And I've never heard O&A say they aren't doing the kind of radio they're doing because of Stern (they may have said it, and if so, I think they're wrong) In fact, both have stated many times that they were huge fans of his.

Howard interviews people, but he isn't ripping off the creator of the interview. And no, he didn't magically innovate it by asking girls if they're into anal.

Again this is going to go nowhere because you insist on breaking down his show and saying "HOWARD DIDNT INVENT INTERVIEWING... BUT HE INTERVIEWS!"
Its no different than HOO HOO I INVENTED TALKING.

Howard INVENTED his own specific radio subgenre. Opie and Anthony do the exact same show that Howard invented. If you dont think thats ripping off.. fine. Go spread the virus.


On a sidenote...
This is exactly why I wanted to just stop this conversation. This goes nowhere. No Opie and Anthony fanatic is suddenly going to submit and say OK O&A IS RIPPING STERN.

 

[God's Hand]

Why is this even a discussion? You're right, he's right, who cares.

 

[Baconäger]

Ok, let's break it down like this then. You're saying that ANY show that is in the talk radio genre (which Howard may or may not have invented) is a Stern ripoff. However, any game in the FPS genre is NOT a ripoff, because sometimes the games are different. Is that correct?

And I'm hardly an O&A fanatic. However, you may be a Stern fanatic.

 

[dem]

Ok, let's break it down like this then. You're saying that ANY show that is in the talk radio genre (which Howard may or may not have invented) is a Stern ripoff.

Every show in the talk genre is Stern influenced. Every show in the Shock Jock genre is Stern influenced. Opie and Anthony are doing more than being in the same genre. Opie and Anthony are doing the same show. They took the Sternshow blueprint and ran with it.

What Opie and Anthony do is akin to taking "Regis and Kelly" and plunking in "Fred and Sally" and doing almost the exact same show.

However, any game in the FPS genre is NOT a ripoff, because sometimes the games are different. Is that correct?

Obviously there are ripoffs in the FPS genre. Counterstrike and um.. Tactical Ops(i think thats what its called). Thats a ripoff.

 

[ToxicAdam]

And no, he didn't magically innovate it by asking girls if they're into anal.

This is where you fail. This is where I realize it's impossible to talk to you like a normal human being would.


The genre that all these guys are in is DRIVE TIME FM RADIO. Do we have that clear? Not "talk radio". That genre has been around long before Larry King was passing around bad checks.


Not only did Stern slowly come into the outrageous foul mouth persona, he had to FIGHT every inch of the way to get it 'on the air'. DJ's were (and still are) horribly underpaid and with no job security (as O&A found out). 99% of them followed the rules to a tee. Because they had no choice. It took Stern a decade of working just to get his type of radio on the air. Only then, when it was a commercial success, were other stations looking for this type of talent. That is why these other FM guys OWE Stern thier careers. He did all the leg work, the trend setting and THEN went out and got the ratings.


That's what is crazy about this discussion. Stern is the Johnny Carson of radio .. and you are here defending Jimmy Kimmel (O&A) as some kind of original, independent talent.