Early First Day Sales in Japan 16th Dec
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Yeah, I reckon the performance of Tales is a bit disappointing though. I expected it to beat MGS3 this week since it is a bit more top-heavy. You can roughly add about half again to these figures this time of year to get first week numbers... So around 430k for MGS3, 400k for Tales I reckon. Acid bombed bigtime though.
Daily charts from the previous day (Wednesday 15th):
1 Dragon Quest VIII (PS2)
2 Daito Pachislot (PS2)
3 Mobile Suit Gundam vs Z Gundam (PS2)
4 Super Mario 64 DS
5 Sawaru Made In Wario DS
6 Mario Party 6 GC
7 Rockman EXE 5 GBA
8 Yoshi GBA
9 Naruto 3 GC
10 Pokemon Emerald GBA
Strong selling again from Nintendo (as expected this time of year)
Daily charts from the previous day (Wednesday 15th):
1 Dragon Quest VIII (PS2)
2 Daito Pachislot (PS2)
3 Mobile Suit Gundam vs Z Gundam (PS2)
4 Super Mario 64 DS
5 Sawaru Made In Wario DS
6 Mario Party 6 GC
7 Rockman EXE 5 GBA
8 Yoshi GBA
9 Naruto 3 GC
10 Pokemon Emerald GBA
Strong selling again from Nintendo (as expected this time of year)
JackFrost2012
Banned
Well, considering the PSP install base is what, 150k right now? 10k isn't so bad for first-day sales.
SolidSnakex
Member
Broshnat said:
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
JackFrost2012 said:
And it couldn't have been that expensive to make...at least by Metal Gear standards.
JackFrost2012
Banned
AniHawk said:
Yeah, but MGA is a card-based strategy game with no voice or "wowie" cinemas from a bunch of newbies... "Granted, it was launch," is kind of exactly the point of those sales numbers for Ridge and Golf. Those 150k-200k people who managed to get a PSP all bought one or more new games for their system less than five days ago. It's hardly surprising they're not rushing out to buy another game right afterwards? The PSP market is pretty much perfectly saturated with people playing games they've already bought right now.
I'm sure Acid is WELL within Konami's initial expectations.
http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/games/news-archive/Dreamcast%20Tops%20Japanese%20Sales%20Charts!.htm
For a quick comparison, Metal Gear: Ghost Babel did 66k in 3 weeks.
Metal Gear Ac!d did 20% of its initial shipment. MGS 3 did 60%.
I don't think the PSP market is all too saturated, but perhaps the PS fanbase is, with MGS 3, ToR, DQ, PSP, and its other software. I still don't believe MGA's sales are good though.
For a quick comparison, Metal Gear: Ghost Babel did 66k in 3 weeks.
Metal Gear Ac!d did 20% of its initial shipment. MGS 3 did 60%.
I don't think the PSP market is all too saturated, but perhaps the PS fanbase is, with MGS 3, ToR, DQ, PSP, and its other software. I still don't believe MGA's sales are good though.
1. Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater (PS2, Konami)
347.000 St. [59 %]
2. Tales of Rebirth (PS2, Namco)
324.000 St. [55 %]
3. Shin Sangoku Musou (PSP, Koei)
35.000 St. [39 %]
4. Super Robot Taisen (GC, Banpresto)
27.000 St. [44 %]
5. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 11 Chou Ketteiban (PS2, Konami)
17.000 St. [21 %]
6. Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo (PSP, Bandai)
16.000 St. [40 %]
7. Metal Gear Acid (PSP, Konami)
12.000 St. [20 %]
8. Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater Limited Edition (PS2, Konami)
11.000 St. [69 %]
9. Dokodemo Issho (PSP, Sony)
10.000 St. [19 %]
10. RPG Tsukuru 3 (PS2, Enterbrain)
7.000 St. [29 %]
347.000 St. [59 %]
2. Tales of Rebirth (PS2, Namco)
324.000 St. [55 %]
3. Shin Sangoku Musou (PSP, Koei)
35.000 St. [39 %]
4. Super Robot Taisen (GC, Banpresto)
27.000 St. [44 %]
5. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 11 Chou Ketteiban (PS2, Konami)
17.000 St. [21 %]
6. Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo (PSP, Bandai)
16.000 St. [40 %]
7. Metal Gear Acid (PSP, Konami)
12.000 St. [20 %]
8. Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater Limited Edition (PS2, Konami)
11.000 St. [69 %]
9. Dokodemo Issho (PSP, Sony)
10.000 St. [19 %]
10. RPG Tsukuru 3 (PS2, Enterbrain)
7.000 St. [29 %]
JackFrost2012
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AniHawk said:
If Ghost Babel came out at launch, you might have more of a basis for comparison. I hate to keep harping on it but IT'S LAUNCH! YOUR RULES DO NOT APPLY HERE.
Broshnat said:
Did I say MGA didn't sell poorly? First of all, those numbers need a viable source before I believe anything. I never believe anything without a source. And that includes the numbers for Donkey Konga and everything else. It just sounds a bit off so I'll reserve final judgment until I get a viable source, not just some sale clerks blog.
Secondly, I take more things into consideration than you do. First, it's still on the top ten. Definitely below expectations if it did only sell 12,000, but it did get on the top ten. Second, the PSP units still haven't gotten a true second shipment yet - the majority of first shipment owners are probably still "money-ed" out on Ridge Racers, Vampire Chronicles and Mingol Golf. My personal prediction is that if these numbers are true we'll see a spike (at least 20k) during the next shipment (December 22nd?). And finally, there are only 200,000 units of PSP in Japan. And no matter what way you look at it, those aren't exactly numbers conducive to posting huge numbers for new releases (outside of the immediate day one launch releases). Dynasty Warriors sold 35k (if these numbers are right), for instance, compared to 55k and 63k at launch for Mingol/Ridge.
So what does this come down to? I'll summarize.
a.) If those numbers are true MGA did extremely poor.
b.) If those numbers are true then I personally expect a spike at the next PSP shipment.
c.) The PSP does not have a large amount of units to consistently post large sales especially during the "dry spot" waiting for next shipments.
Now before you go say I'm "making excuses", no I'm not. Sony should have shipped more units, they didn't. Performance is as a direct result of the limited quantity and as a result of "at-saturation"; i.e. the game ratio seems about right atm not giving MGA much room. I'll take these sales with a grain of salt until I get something real official, but if they're true I hope to see an up trend in the coming weeks when more shipments pour in. Demand for the system itself is spectacular as always so hopefully when those people are waiting on line for their PSPs they will see MGA and think it's a worthwhile purchase for a launch game.
Or maybe they'll say "Fuck Card Metal Gear" and ignore it. That may be what happened with these sales too, for all I know
Look, I agree. It pains me to see a number of things.
Halo 2 and GTA:SA outselling MGS3 and MP2:E by 10 times in the US.
The same games year on year dominating- Madden, Winning Eleven, Dynasty Warriors.
Great games like Donkey Konga, Tales Of Symphonia, DK:JB, Giftpia, Baten Kaitos, Metal Gear Acid, F-Zero, Eternal Darkness struggling.
I think the next big disappointment will be Resident Evil 4.
I just hope it does well...
Halo 2 and GTA:SA outselling MGS3 and MP2:E by 10 times in the US.
The same games year on year dominating- Madden, Winning Eleven, Dynasty Warriors.
Great games like Donkey Konga, Tales Of Symphonia, DK:JB, Giftpia, Baten Kaitos, Metal Gear Acid, F-Zero, Eternal Darkness struggling.
I think the next big disappointment will be Resident Evil 4.
I just hope it does well...
Broshnat said:
To be fair, we don't know if MGA is "great." But yeah, F-Zero GX is tied for my favorite racing game ever. I really wasn't so happy that didn't do awesome... but it did well enough to get on Player's Choice, no?
Broshnat said:
The problem is it's releasing right after the Christmas season. Now this can be good or bad depending on your perspective. The good is that it can avoid the crazy hurricane of great games that came out this season and have more attention focused on itself. The bad news is it's also after the Christmas season... so the major retail business dies down for a few months. I guess the best thing is that there will be a lot of little kids/teens/adults that received money for Christmas that will want to spend it. I hope some of them put it toward Resident Evil 4.
I pre-ordered RE4.
Amir0x said:
I'll be getting it as soon as it comes out as well.
Just hope it sets sales alight as much as it deserves to, but i can see it- especially with the announcement of a PS2 version before it has even come out.
Viewtiful Joe is another game to add to that list, it'll struggle to do 100k worldwide at this rate.
wazoo said:or maybe PSP was bought on impulse by people with no interest in videogames
Sales in Japan are extremely poor.
350k MGS3 for a 15M (or more ?) ps2
12K MGA for 200K PSP
looks to be the same ratio (5%)
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Erm... "interesting" slant on things. I guess Super Mario 64 DS selling 185k on a 650k userbase (28% attach rate) is pretty good by comparison then
Or 65k from 230k on launch day (which also works to 28%)
wazoo said:or maybe PSP was bought on impulse by people with no interest in videogames
I'm sure there are a few pure technophiles who purchased a PSP on impulse, but like most launches I feel that the majority of PSP owners are just either really big videogame fanatics or fanboys. A few others sprinkled in for the sake of not overgeneralizing.
Broshnat said:Erm... "interesting" slant on things. I guess Super Mario 64 DS selling 185k on a 650k userbase (28% attach rate) is pretty good by comparison then
SM64 sold 30% on the N64.
that is the magical ratio number. It applies to everything.
Or maybe, from the 200k, 180k were western gaming mags journalists which had to flew back home, leaving only 20k people to buy MGA
Idiot Member
Banned
Don't even bother arguing with anihawk on such an obvious matter. He doesn't care, he is just trying to be annoying.
First Shin Sangoku Musou is far more popular that Meta Gear in Japan. Metal Gear Acid is a card based release for the Metal Gear series, making it even less popular.
The PlayStation Portable has not had a second shipment of sales, so these games are still selling to the 170k people who already bought systems less than a week ago.
First Shin Sangoku Musou is far more popular that Meta Gear in Japan. Metal Gear Acid is a card based release for the Metal Gear series, making it even less popular.
The PlayStation Portable has not had a second shipment of sales, so these games are still selling to the 170k people who already bought systems less than a week ago.
More popular maybe, but not 3 times.
We're looking at just over a million in sales compared to 850k. Not a huge difference.
I think even under the, admittedly, difficult circumstances, it did even less well than expected. I was hoping for 60-70k first week, especially with MGS3 hype etc etc.
kitchenmotors
Banned
I thought PSP was supposed to destroy the competition in both hardware and software? Wasn't it supposed to up the poor tie-in-ratio that Gameboy is so used to? I know the numbers are early, but it seems the signs point to a very distinct trend in the handheld market yet again.
SolidSnakex
Member
kitchenmotors said:
The thing is in such limited quantities at the moment that its impossible to judge what it will or won't do.
mashoutposse
Ante Up
MGA probably would have done around 40k if it was available on 12/12. The timing of the release doesn't favor a front-loaded retail sales performance; it will probably hang around on the charts till it hits 100k or so.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
JESUS LORD IT'S BEEN OUT FOR SIX DAYS.kitchenmotors said:
Well, it depends on the source (Symphonia sales range from 300k to 400k). Symphnoa also has the benefit of suprisingly great foreign sales to make up for it's stumble in Japan somewhat.... considering that, it's actually on par with the other PlayStation Tales games.dark10x said:
Spiritreaver
Member
These sales are new releases right? Or no? I don't think I'd expect DQ8 to already fall.